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[Adugan]

Please dont quote pyramid. This thread will get locked if it keeps happening.

[Aumata]

This entire thread has made my brain hurt. People have already given the exact importance of why saving the citadel takes priority than every other ****ing homeworld. No citadel means no relays, and we're stuck in a war of attrition, to which we will lose like every other mother****er that faced them. So tell me why are people picking a delayed extinction over a chance to win the war, because of the population count?

[ADLegend21]

Earth.

[Aumata]

Really no one ever ****ing played Mass Effect 1 to realize that you lose the citadel you lose the usage of the relays so all you do is just delay the extinction. The hell is wrong with all of you, do people choose to ignore information for 9 pages that losing the citadel equals extinction or are people just this naturally dumb.

[seirhart]

I'd rather save the citadel before earth or any other homeworld

[Tonymac]

Aumata wrote...

Really no one ever ****ing played Mass Effect 1 to realize that you lose the citadel you lose the usage of the relays so all you do is just delay the extinction. The hell is wrong with all of you, do people choose to ignore information for 9 pages that losing the citadel equals extinction or are people just this naturally dumb.

Nice way to make a point - the rudeness and attitude really get your ideas across.  *cough*

The way the Mass Effect Series works, I doubt they will give this choice anyhow.  Saving the Destiny Ascension (for instance)  hardly changed the game/story.    Saving Earth or  the Citadel would be a big choice that would have divergent outcomes - so deep that the story would be greatly affected and not slow anymore.

[Adugan]

Well it IS the end of the game, so they can do whatever they want with the story. ME3 will not affect any future game imports.

[Yusovich]

I look at what Vigil says in ME1. Protheans got screwed once they lost the Citadel.

[NaclynE]

Oooooh......*scratches head*. If this would be the case what a tough call. The Citadel I think is a big connection to the reapers. If you lose it, Earth would be saved but the people on the Citadel would be easily taken over by the reapers and the reapers would make the Citadel their home base of opersations and they could attack Earth from there anytime they choose. It could be like a Battle LA over and over again. Lose Earth? Yeah you would stop the reapers from constantly invadeing Earth (finnally) but at the cost of your own home planet?

It's all about the greater good here. How far would you go to trully stop the reapers once and for all?

[KotorEffect3]

If it is just earth of the citadel than it goes down to earth because of the numbers 11 billion is more than 13 or so million but there are other implications regarding the citadel including control of the relay network and being the main hub of the relay network it has acesss to virtualy every part of the galaxy so from a strategic standpoint the citadel will be the wiser choice. Not to mention I think one of the keys to figuring out how to beat the reapers will be within the citadel itself.

[Medhia Nox]

@Yusovich: Do you remember "why" they got screwed?

Do you remember that the Citadel held the information about every inhabited Prothean planet - without which, the Reapers simply couldn't just "explore the Milky Way" until they found all the Protheans. It's nearly impossible (in the literal sense).

Do you remember that the Prothean galactic government was on board the Citadel - and the Reapers destroyed that government destabilizing the Protheans?

Do you remember that while other relays connect Point A to Point B (and I'm not sure there's any indication that without the Citadel they would not work) - the Citadel connects Point A to all available points?

While the Citadel can shut down relays - there is no reason to believe that destroying it would cause all Relays to shut down. The Citadel does not power the relays. It could be the equivalent of destroying the remote control to your TV - your TV will function perfectly without - you will just have to use it manually.

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The Citadel should have been destroyed in ME 1.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:37 .

[Conway044]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Yusovich: Do you remember "why" they got screwed?

Do you remember that the Citadel held the information about every inhabited Prothean planet - without which, the Reapers simply couldn't just "explore the Milky Way" until they found all the Protheans. It's nearly impossible (in the literal sense).

Do you remember that the Prothean galactic government was on board the Citadel - and the Reapers destroyed that government destabilizing the Protheans?

Do you remember that while other relays connect Point A to Point B (and I'm not sure there's any indication that without the Citadel they would not work) - the Citadel connects Point A to all available points?

While the Citadel can shut down relays - there is no reason to believe that destroying it would cause all Relays to shut down. The Citadel does not power the relays. It could be the equivalent of destroying the remote control to your TV - your TV will function perfectly without - you will just have to use it manually.

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The Citadel should have been destroyed in ME 1.

This is my thinking as well.

[Gabey5]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the citadel is just a space station. Earth is home world.

I suggest you read the thread (Or, maybe play Mass Effect 1 and pay attention this time ;p) The citadel is more than just a space station

A space station that can be used to bring the reapers from darkspace and has all of our info on it? Yeah we can destroy the thing outright. it is a liability and it is just a space station. The planet we eveolved on and houses most of our population is far more valuable

Modifié par Gabey5, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:41 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But if we figured out how the relay system works and were able to control it within the Citadel, couldn't we then force the Reapers to use FTL instead of relays, figure out where there going and mass a fleet there as a greeting party via the relay system? It is a strategic point. Losing Earth on the galactic scale is like losing a major city in a war on earth. We will take back Earth, but we must live to fight another day.

The question about the Reapers is "did they leave any force in reserve in dark space?" or did they just bring everything in?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:55 .

[1136342t54_]

Gabey5 wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the citadel is just a space station. Earth is home world.

I suggest you read the thread (Or, maybe play Mass Effect 1 and pay attention this time ;p) The citadel is more than just a space station

A space station that can be used to bring the reapers from darkspace and has all of our info on it? Yeah we can destroy the thing outright. it is a liability and it is just a space station. The planet we eveolved on and houses most of our population is far more valuable

 
You are assuming that we are the ones who are attempting to destroy or kill everyone on the station. Fact is the Citadel controls the Relay network. It is quite possible destroying it will also make the Relay network useless. I'm sure we will surely win the war after that. <_<

[1136342t54_]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But if we figured out how the relay system works and were able to control it within the Citadel, couldn't we then force the Reapers to use FTL instead of relays, figure out where there going and mass a fleet there as a greeting party via the relay system? It is a strategic point. Losing Earth on the galactic scale is like losing a major city in a war on earth. We will take back Earth, but we must live to fight another day.

Reaper FTL is faster than Citadel races FTL. They arrived from Darkspace into the galaxy in a couple of years. Massing a fleet to stop a Reaper fleet would do abosolutely nothing. One Reaper could easily take on more than one fleet. What do you think hundreds possibly thousands can do?

Simple fact is fleets could slow down the Reapers but destroying down is very very unlikely.

[Yakko77]

staindgrey wrote...

Earth. I don't care what logic says, or what politicians will claim for the next few centuries. Shepard is a human, and humanity comes first. I couldn't possibly convince myself any other species is as important as my own when it comes to mass genocide.

No matter which Shep I use, the mentality is the same going in: Earth must be saved, every other priority comes second. I just can't imagine my Shepards thinking otherwise.

This.

There are what, roughly 10 or so million souls on the Citadel.  There are 10+ billion on Earth... or at least before the Reapers invade.  Even if 90% is killed that still a billion people to be saved vs. the Citadels roughly 10 million.  It's cold, hard, numbers..... plus my Shep will do what it takes to save the most humans as possible while saving the galaxy.

Modifié par Yakko77, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:01 .

[RyuujinZERO]

Gabey5 wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

the citadel is just a space station. Earth is home world.

I suggest you read the thread (Or, maybe play Mass Effect 1 and pay attention this time ;p) The citadel is more than just a space station

A space station that can be used to bring the reapers from darkspace and has all of our info on it? Yeah we can destroy the thing outright. it is a liability and it is just a space station. The planet we eveolved on and houses most of our population is far more valuable

I concur, but we have no way of knowing if destroying the citadel won't disable the relay network; either as a failsafe or as a side effect. Losing the relay network would doom the council races too, the reaper progress would just be slower; destroying the citadel woudl be an immensely dangerous gamble - definatly something to keep as a last resort ONLY (ie. a concerted defence has failed)/



Before you say "it's unlikely they'd have such a mechanism", "why not?" is my response. I like to be an evil scheming villain in Minecraft, I build failsafes into my traps and devices so people tamper with them, it'll have a potentially lethal side effect - if I can pull that stuff off in what amounts to lego STALKER, I find it hard to believe that a race of 37 mllion year old evil villains would leave such an oversight in such a critical part of the infrastructure.

Yakko77 wrote...

Even if 90% is filled that still a billion people to be saved vs. the Citadels roughly 10 million.  It's cold, hard, numbers..... plus my Shep will do what it takes to save the most humans as possible while saving the galaxy.

Except that you just lost the galaxy. Reapers shut down the network, no reinforcements, they divide and conquer the galaxy, eventually coming to clean up humanity and earth itself later on when they have had time to properly amass their forces with fresh reapers and indoctrinated...

Important rule of science: Maths doesn't work if your model is wrong

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[armass]

If reapers reach the Citadel they can manipulate the mass relays, and that means we are all basically screwed anyway. That is why Citadel is priority, since we have to keep mass relays online so we can travel.

Modifié par armass, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:08 .

[RyuujinZERO]

armass wrote...

If reapers reach the citadel they can manipulate the mass relays, and that means we are all basically screwed anyway.

Exactly. Considering this was the jist of the entire first game I'm having trouble figuring out why people who can see this are in the minority and most would rather amass forces on Earth and wait for the reapers to come to them xD

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:08 .

[Zakatak757]

Citadel is required to beat the Reapers...

BUT, for fun, let's say that isn't the case.

Earth manages to be the only 'interesting' planet in every sci-fi ever because it always seems to be the only one split into nation-states with a population above 10+ billion. As much as I love other races, I'm going with Earth for sentimental value I suppose.

[Drone223]

Citadel Why?

The Citadel (as many have said before) is the hub of the Mass relay network, if the Reaper's gain control of it they will be able to isolate all the systems in the galaxy and harvest/wipe out those systems with little resistance, also Shepard know's where the control terminal of the citadel is (can't remember what vigil called it) we could use it to isolate the Reaper fleets in individual systems and with a united galatic fleet defeat the Reaper fleets in small pockets (though it still won't be an easy fight) as if the united fleets faces all the Reapers at once it won't stand a chance 

Modifié par Drone223, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Skullheart]

I'll destroy the Citadel, so the reapers can't use it and they won't be able to shut down the relay net, then I'll save Earth. After the war I should investigate another ways or space travelling, we can't depend on the relays forever.

Modifié par Skullheart, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .