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[Inprea]

It's probably far too late to make such a request but it'd be really nice if at no point did Shepeard need someone to come to his/her rescue. I'm not talking about a tactical retreat here that's understandable and I'm not talking about an extraction.

What I'm talking about is along the lines of the Warden in Dragon Age Origins having to be rescued by Flemeth at the tower or needing Dunken to get him/her out of trouble. For me such moments really diminish a hero or if I were to put it in mathmatical terms Apparent ability level = Ability level/2^n where n is the number of times the character has been rescued from such situation. Naturally if said character is never rescued such that n = 0 then Apparent ability level = ability level as the character has suffered no degradation.

Now an idea situation I believe can also be found in Dragon Age origins. Namely whenever you've just rescued Anora and you're confronted by Logain's bodyguard. You can choose to surrender, fight your way out or if you lose the battle you end up being confined. I find this far more acceptable as it either means that your character is surrendering on their own terms if you choose to surrender or it's because you actually lost the fight which at least for me is far better then having control of your character suddenly ripped away from you.

Also please don't have Shepeard be saved by the shere incompetence of the enemy.

I should say here I haven't seen anything to make me believe Shepeard is going to need someone to come to her/his rescue. I'm just worried that someone will given Bioware's history of using this as a plot device.

Jade Empire - When mastery Li double crosses you and you need the water dragon spirit to bring you back to life.

Dragon Age Origins - Mentioned above.

Dragon age 2 - Hawke needs saving by flemeth as well.

Mass Effect 2 - Shepeard is saved by Cerberus and in arrival by enemy failure to finish him/her off while unconscious.

Modifié par Inprea, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:07 .

[Shepard Lives]

You can't reasonably expect Shepard to fight off every single threat he/she faces.

Plus, getting rescued can be frickin' awesome.

[SNascimento]

I disagree.
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Having a person that gets everything done perfectly all the time is unrealistic. Your Shepard can come really close to this if you do a lot of things in the "right" way, but there are some moments when things aren't really in your control, like the attack from the collector vessel or the arrival's battle.
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Jack Bauer, for exemple, who is my favorite hero. There are multiple times that he was owned and outstarmated and other that he only wasn't kill because he was the main hero.

[Someone With Mass]

I wouldn't mind Shepard getting rescued by someone because it rarely happens and is usually the other way around.

[CaptainZaysh]

Yeah. War is a team sport, OP.

[DiebytheSword]

Shep was rescued from death once already.

[darthnick427]

I want a moment in the game where you have to choose someone to lead a squad to rescue Shepard. Garrus will be rescuing my Shepard. Similar to DAO when the Warden is held prisoner after rescuing Anora.

Modifié par darthnick427, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:26 .

[BatmanPWNS]

He/She better be rescused by someone. You seriously can't expect Shep to handle everything.

[silentassassin264]

I really wanted Shepard to be nabbed by Harbinger and your teammates have to have the Big Damn Heroes moment. Could be awesome if done right.

Plus, you know you want some one on one time with Harby.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:34 .

[Yusovich]

What I would like is Shepard and your team get into an oh s*** moment and need to be rescued by your other party members, make them do something other than sitting on the ship sipping tea while me and my 2 friends are busting our a** killing everything in our way or defending this point from everything wanting to collect our heads.

[Inprea]

Shepard Lives wrote...

You can't reasonably expect Shepard to fight off every single threat he/she faces.

Plus, getting rescued can be frickin' awesome.

That's where a tactical retreat comes in. I also have to disagree with the notion that needing a rescue is awesome. That may be your opinion on the subject but it's one I don't share.

SNascimento wrote...

I disagree.
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Having a person that gets everything done perfectly all the time is unrealistic. Your Shepard can come really close to this if you do a lot of things in the "right" way, but there are some moments when things aren't really in your control, like the attack from the collector vessel or the arrival's battle.
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Jack Bauer, for exemple, who is my favorite hero. There are multiple times that he was owned and outstarmated and other that he only wasn't kill because he was the main hero.

I can think of at least one way of Shepeard getting out of alive that's every bit as realistic as, "Cerberus found Shepeard and put him/her back together over several years. Especially given that most of the Normandi clearly got caught up in a gravitatonal pull  Shepeard's body should have been pulled down and splattered.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Yeah. War is a team sport, OP.

Indeed but that's where the tactical retreat and extraction part comes into play. There is a difference between a planned escape and being made entirely helpless.

DiebytheSword wrote...

Shep was rescued from death once already.

More then once if you consider that it was only enemy incompetence that let Shepeard escape in arrival. Which is more then plenty of times.

darthnick427 wrote...

I want a moment in the game where you have to choose someone to lead a squad to rescue Shepard. Garrus will be rescuing my Shepard. Similar to DAO when the Warden is held prisoner after rescuing Anora.

Yet you could also choose to escape on your own power rather then relying on others.

[Medhia Nox]

I think that if he needs rescuing (which can be great when done well) - my only request would be that it's done by someone already established.

Kal'Reegar (yes, I know he can be dead), or Captain Kirrahe, or squad mates, etc.

It would be one of those times that bringing in familiar faces would make sense (as opposed to all the strange moments were every ME 1 character does a cameo "just cause")

[DiebytheSword]

That was kind of my point, repetition would only be old hat at this point. Having Shep pinned down in a VS situation where the remainder of the squad applies pressure to another front would not be something I count as rescue in the vein of damsel in distress/no man left behind.

[Bcuz]

*Walks into thread*
*Reads Original Post*
Ahem...

Arrival

*Walks out of thread*

[Mclouvins]

Not to burst the OP's bubble but the E3 demo shows Shep being rescued from Earth as the reapers attack.

[Inprea]

DiebytheSword wrote...

That was kind of my point, repetition would only be old hat at this point. Having Shep pinned down in a VS situation where the remainder of the squad applies pressure to another front would not be something I count as rescue in the vein of damsel in distress/no man left behind.

I can agree with that. You stated it a bit more clearly then I did. I don't want to see Shepeard reduced to a damsel in distress or damsel stuck in a tower especially again. Being preoccupied by a fire fight is different then being entirely helpless.

Mclouvins wrote...

Not to burst the OP's bubble but the E3 demo shows Shep being rescued from Earth as the reapers attack.

No bubble bursting here. Like I said in the first statement. I realize it's a bit late for such statements and I recognize a trend in Bioware's games but I still had to let it out.

Modifié par Inprea, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:53 .

[Ofcoursenot]

As long as it doesn't last more than a 60 second cut-scene, I don't really care. If it goes on too long, or if it requires me to play from another character's perspective, I'll be annoyed. The last thing I want is a repeat of the part of arrival where the player controls a LOKI mech. It was neat once, but I don't want to see it reused with a different character.

[Garrison2009]

I personally actually wouldn't mind a moment where Shepard, after planning out a mission to the last detail, is on the ground blasting baddies when suddenly everything starts to go wrong and his entire plan falls a part around him. It could be this "Oh god... no..." kind of a moment, as well as the perfect lead up to bringing like the Rachni back as they could suddenly jump in out of nowhere and help turn the fight back in the right direction or whatever.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 25 octobre 2011 - 09:53 .

[DiebytheSword]

Mclouvins wrote...

Not to burst the OP's bubble but the E3 demo shows Shep being rescued from Earth as the reapers attack.

You miss Inprea's point.  I'm a fan of strong female roles, and I see where she is coming from.  She doesn't want Shep to be carried off by another character because Shep couldn't fight her way out.  Shep might need help, but should always be helping herself along the way.  If Shep is carried like a sack of potatoes, or even swept off her feet, it will feel contrived.  A situation where Shep is already working to get out and needs help isn't the problem.

[Nimrodell]

SNascimento wrote...

I disagree.
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Having a person that gets everything done perfectly all the time is unrealistic. Your Shepard can come really close to this if you do a lot of things in the "right" way, but there are some moments when things aren't really in your control, like the attack from the collector vessel or the arrival's battle.
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Jack Bauer, for exemple, who is my favorite hero. There are multiple times that he was owned and outstarmated and other that he only wasn't kill because he was the main hero.

Agreed, plus, my Shepard is human and that means, she is tired, overwhelmed, alone... I don't have any issues with ME, paragon/renegade system, combat, or whatever whiners can think of... but I want for my Shep to stay human, meaning, no OP superwo/man BS. Actually, being rescued by others will show that they actually care for her/him... not in Cerberus/TIM way. It would show that Shepard means more than just being a simple tool. And honestly, I think that for once, our Shepard deserves that.

[Bekkael]

I wouldn't mind seeing Shepard in a situation where she needed help. I don't play a Mary Sue Shepard, and her ego wouldn't be even slightly threatened if someone came to her aid. In fact, she would welcome it. There's nothing wrong with supporting characters getting the temporary spotlight IMO.

[ADLegend21]

Um No, Shepard needs to be knocked off the Mary Sue pedestal She/He is on. the Should have needed Rescuing during Arrival but no....

[Someone With Mass]

Does Legion arriving with a geth transport as a Reaper is emerging from the ground count as rescue?