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[Garrison2009]

In fact Shepard himself/herself has a line when talking to Presley:

"Some people think asking for help is a sign of weakness. That's just being stupid and stubborn. As strong as you may be, allies can make you stronger."

I'm paraphrasing there but I think that's almost the exact quote.

Modifié par Garrison2009, 25 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[CrazyRah]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Um No, Shepard needs to be knocked off the Mary Sue pedestal She/He is on. the Should have needed Rescuing during Arrival but no....

This so much, i mean i'm almost accepting anything that knocks Shepard of the bloody Mary Sue pedestal.

[Nimrodell]

And for the record, being rescued from time to time, doesn't mean being weak (be it male or female Shepard) - our Commander Shepard suffered a lot (no matter paragon, renegade, paragade or renegon alignment) - and we don't know what kind of BS TIM pulled off actually with her/him - let Shepard be human, real one, just for once.

[Knight of Dane]

Well, you're in for a disappointment then, Shepard was kinda resurrected by Miranda and TIM already.

[-Skorpious-]

I disagree completely. In fact, I thought it would be absolutely awesome if Shepard was incapacitated in battle, and the player had to select a squadmate to play as for a small potion of the game.

Playing as Garrus covering Kaidan's back as he escorts a wounded Shepard to safety? Yes please!

[Medhia Nox]

The only argument I would make at this point in the Shepard trilogy is... "this is not the genre it was made to be."

If it were going to be gritty realism - it should have started in 1.

Mind you - I do support gritty realism (though I do not support what some people on here seem to think that means) - I just think that consistency in storytelling is important.

Having him break for one scene now - would seem so unnatural and forced this far in. (for me)

[Garrison2009]

I'm not for playing a squadmate. I prefer playing strictly as Shepard, but still, putting him/her in a more vulnerable position for a little while would be very interesting...

Modifié par Garrison2009, 25 octobre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Inprea]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Um No, Shepard needs to be knocked off the Mary Sue pedestal She/He is on. the Should have needed Rescuing during Arrival but no....

So dieing within the first few minutes of Mass Effect 2, being nocked out in the arrival DLC only to be saved by enemy incompetence and Shepeards own admission that she/he needs to form a squad hasn't done this?

How many times does Shepeard need to be saved from death either by an outside force or by enemy incompetence before she/he is officially off the mary sue ladder? Does he/she need a reminder every game of the series or perhaps every DLC?

Knight of Dane wrote...

Well, you're in for a disappointment then, Shepard was kinda resurrected by Miranda and TIM already.

How am I in for a disapointment whenever I already mentioned Shepeard being saved first by Cerberus in Mass Effect 2 and a second time by enemy incompetence in the arrival DLC in my very first post?

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

So...people still WANT Shep to be Space Jesus? I thought that was just a gag. But apparently people want Shep to always, always be victorious. Seems unrealistic to me.

Unrealistic...is this another realism vs. escapism thread? Hmm.

Given that Shepeard has already risen from the dead thanks to the beginning of Mass Effect 2 it could be rather fitting. Also I mentioned that I'm fine with a tactical retreat or did you not read that part? There is a difference between being victories and knowing when to run. There is a difference between being rescued and retreating.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Shep's always saving everybody I'd like shep to be saved or need some serious help at points during ME3. I'm sick of the super hero needs no one shep, I want him to be human, I like the fact he got overpowered and beaten down in Arrival and overlord I'd like such things to keep coming up because shep isn't some immovable rock he's a human being with limits. We've seen shep the hero it's time to see shep the man/woman.

[seirhart]

I don't like the idea of shepard being rescued he doesn't need it, but since he was rescued by cereberus and is rescued from earth it is a little to late for that.

[Inprea]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Shep's always saving everybody I'd like shep to be saved or need some serious help at points during ME3. I'm sick of the super hero needs no one shep, I want him to be human, I like the fact he got overpowered and beaten down in Arrival and overlord I'd like such things to keep coming up because shep isn't some immovable rock he's a human being with limits. We've seen shep the hero it's time to see shep the man/woman.

I wouldn't mind this if it was done along the lines of helping Anora in dragon age origins. In that if the player wanted to they could try to fight their way out of the situation and if the player had developed their characters well enough and had the tactical ability they could win. If the lost however or were overwhelmed they ended up confined and needed rescuing.

I do not however want some cenematic to take control of the character and have them auto lose.

When I go through a game exploring every corner, disarming every trap, solving every puzzle gathering every last scrap of power I can for my character I do not like it when some cenematic makes all of that worthless in an instant.

[WizenSlinky0]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I think that if he needs rescuing (which can be great when done well) - my only request would be that it's done by someone already established.

Kal'Reegar (yes, I know he can be dead), or Captain Kirrahe, or squad mates, etc.

It would be one of those times that bringing in familiar faces would make sense (as opposed to all the strange moments were every ME 1 character does a cameo "just cause")

"Shepard, we can't hold out any longer!"

*explosions. gunfire. Salarian STG unit flanks the enemy*

Captain Kirrahe: "Shepard, well done. Held the line. Could be a Salarian. Would need horns. We'll take care of things here, move to the next objective. Krogan meet you there."

[LadyofRivendell]

I'd love a moment where Shep needs saving, it would make her/him that much more human. Shep can't always go it alone/with a small squad.
And being saved by your LI would be pretty cool, too. But that's probably the fangirl inside of me wanting to be swooped up by a Kaidan in Shining Armor

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 25 octobre 2011 - 10:50 .

[Funkcase]

This is the opposite of what I want, I want Shepard to need some help at some point in the game, Shepard is human, he's not superman. A hero needing help doesn't make him/her less of a hero, it just adds a bit of humanity to the character whilst also giving someone else a chance to shine. It would be cool if Shepard gets rescued at one point by a regular soldier, or even a civillian who just picked up a gun he found off of a dead marine, or even a Batarian.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

It's nice to be the damsel in distress once in a while. It's not really the rescuing bit that i dislike, but I don't usually fancy the controlling another character part way through the narrative that Bioware Oh-so-love doing. Having said that ME2's was done as well as it could have been with one small section that's even the only stealth gameplay in the entire game. Kotor's seemed promising but was really rather pointless and dao's should have just showed the funny cutscenes. I don't know just makes my character feel less personal I guess. Interestingly despite being the traditional "save the pc" section Joker was really just saving himself in ME2.

[CamlTowPetttingZoo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Does Legion arriving with a geth transport as a Reaper is emerging from the ground count as rescue?

So Shepard should really not be rescued in that instance? Cause at the moment i can't see anyway out of that situation without a rescue being involved. I'm fine with my Shepard having to be rescued.

[Alamar2078]

Personally I don't want to see Shep rescued. I'd have the same reaction to Shep needing to be rescued as Syndrome had w/ Mr. Incredible when he thought he sent out a distress signal.

While Shep is obviously important he's not REALLY a Mary-Sue. After all Shep's been killed ; been captured ; been abducted into a virtual world ; used as a pawn by Cerberus ; been disrespected by the Council ; blamed for genocide ; etc.

Do we really need Shep disrespected MORE?????????

BTW: Having the VS survivor rescue Shep as a way to aplogize for Horizon would just be cheap.

[Soccer FeverMan]

meh im indifferent about it, i mean i like the fact that Shep is the ultimate badass, but im not gonna go crazy if he/she needs rescuing aslong its done tastefully, not some bullsh*t where he's captured and is unable to defend him/her-self

[Skypezee]

I like moments where my character ends up in a situation that he/she cannot get out of and thus needs their companions to track him/her down or your character needing to come up with a clever way to escape while being hounded by someone who is just as good as your character. Just because they're a hero doesn't mean they're invincible. Every once in a while there comes a time where even they can't solve a problem on their own.

[Mclouvins]

The first 30 seconds of the game are probably going to consist of Shepard sitting in a cell hearing the reapers attack until Anderson arrives to break him out...

[Alamar2078]

BTW: I wouldn't mind [too much] being rescued during the trial I would be opposed to a contrived "Shep must be rescued" scenario though ...

[Inprea]

CamlTowPetttingZoo wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Does Legion arriving with a geth transport as a Reaper is emerging from the ground count as rescue?

So Shepard should really not be rescued in that instance? Cause at the moment i can't see anyway out of that situation without a rescue being involved. I'm fine with my Shepard having to be rescued.

Did you miss the part about a tactical retreat or the word extraction in my very first post?