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[Destroy Raiden_]

Inprea wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Shep's always saving everybody I'd like shep to be saved or need some serious help at points during ME3. I'm sick of the super hero needs no one shep, I want him to be human, I like the fact he got overpowered and beaten down in Arrival and overlord I'd like such things to keep coming up because shep isn't some immovable rock he's a human being with limits. We've seen shep the hero it's time to see shep the man/woman.

I wouldn't mind this if it was done along the lines of helping Anora in dragon age origins. In that if the player wanted to they could try to fight their way out of the situation and if the player had developed their characters well enough and had the tactical ability they could win. If the lost however or were overwhelmed they ended up confined and needed rescuing.

I do not however want some cenematic to take control of the character and have them auto lose.

When I go through a game exploring every corner, disarming every trap, solving every puzzle gathering every last scrap of power I can for my character I do not like it when some cenematic makes all of that worthless in an instant.

I liked how DA did that as well if you weren't prepared to win that fight you ended up being captured but it was way to easy to get yourself out I didn't like that my rescuers show up and go, " Oh looks like you didn't need me anyway." I like how the rescue was handled a bit more from MGS but even then it was easy just fake dead or use the ketchup and make it look like you killed yourself. If shep did get caught I don't want him able to bust out his crew, LI, or someone has to help him because he's not able for plausible reasons not able to help himself.

I imagine one help shep mission could be we find a super beacon that really knocks shep out of it he's not recovering well he can't walk without assistance and he can't fight its messing his mind and his cybernetics so he chooses someone to lead them and someone to help him. You begin to play as whomever he chose to lead the squad and depending on who you choose to help shep it could effect your progress getting him out alive.

[NaclynE]

I think it would be ok for Shepard to be saved. Besides Shepard did get saved in 1 when she/he touched the Beacon. Lol. It wasn't like it was a simple bump on the noggin and he/she brushed it off. He/she had visions from the beacon explosion and was out for days and was saved by Kaiden/Ashley.

[Garrison2009]

Once again I'm just gonna put up the same quote from the very person we're arguing over...

"Some people see asking for help as a sign of weakness. That's just being stupid and stubborn. As strong as you are, allies can make you stronger."

Shepard may be a true badass, and able to take care of him/herself, but once in a while... I think even Shepard needs help, just like anybody else.

[Inprea]

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again I'm just gonna put up the same quote from the very person we're arguing over...

"Some people see asking for help as a sign of weakness. That's just being stupid and stubborn. As strong as you are, allies can make you stronger."

Shepard may be a true badass, and able to take care of him/herself, but once in a while... I think even Shepard needs help, just like anybody else.

How does that line translate into, "I should need rescueing." ? Typically I would advize asking for aid before you're in a digher situation to the point that you've been rendered helpless. Which gets back into the subject of a tactical retreat. It's best to fall back while you still have strength enough to fight not wait until you've been reduce to a helpless sack.

[Lord Jaric]

I have to disagree, the hero of the story needing to be rescued is good story telling, it shows that the hero isn't perfect, that they can make mistakes that puts themselves into jeopardy, that even after have great achievement deep down they are an ordinary being and not some godly individual.

It also gives other characters a chance to shine hather being in the shadow of the hero.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:38 .

[gosimmons]

His squaddies rescuing him would be a nice change of pace actually.

[tobynator89]

right. turn shep into an even bigger mary sue

[Yakko77]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seeing the tables turned on Shepard for once would be nice.

Getting killed wasn't enough?

[Xeranx]

One of the things I've come to dislike or even hate in any bit of media is the main protagonist always coming out unscathed. Eventually it grew to maybe being scarred mentally. Well that's great, but it's sometimes not enough. Other times, however, it gets to be too much.

One thing I want out of creators is not to treat their characters like little treasures that can't be hurt. Their your babies, but they're not children. This goes doubly so for female protagonists who are pretty much babied despite being put in harms way or running headlong into it. I'm looking at Stephanie Meyer and her Twilight series in particular here. In the opposite we have Harry Dresden. And while I love the books, Harry never seems to catch a break...from himself.

Anyway, Shepard needing help every so often is more than welcome. It's one aspect I loved about Dragon Age: Origins with regard to the Warden getting put in prison. I loved taking Leliana and Morrigan to help him escape.

[AdmiralCheez]

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

Anyway, OP, if there's one thing I expect for ME3, it's that Shep is going to NEED his/her team at some point. So far, the whole galaxy has been expecting Shepard to solve everyone's problems. The commander needs to be on the other end for once.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:26 .

[LadyofRivendell]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

-snip-

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

Anyway, OP, if there's one thing I expect for ME3, it's that Shep is going to NEED his/her team at some point. So far, the whole galaxy has been expecting Shepard to solve everyone's problems. The commander needs to be on the other end for once.

The whole galaxy needs to save shepard? Seems a bit selfish to me:P

[AdmiralCheez]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

-snip-

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

How'd that go again? IIRC you don't meet them until you get back yea.

[AdmiralCheez]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

The whole galaxy needs to save shepard? Seems a bit selfish to me

YES.  Those miserable little whiners oughta haul out for ME for a change!

But really no.  What I mean is more along the lines of Shepard needing the team as much as the team needs him/her.

[Sgt Stryker]

Is it ok if this rescue involves the Normandy flying in just in the nick of time?

EDIT: After actually reading the topic in its entirety, I realized that you already addressed this. Oops.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Bekkael]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

It was hilarious if you chose to wait. Morrigan and dog and Sten and dog are two of my favorite choices of who comes to rescue the Warden.

[darthnick427]

Bekkael wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

It was hilarious if you chose to wait. Morrigan and dog and Sten and dog are two of my favorite choices of who comes to rescue the Warden.

Idk. Ohgren and Zevran were pretty damn funny

[Gabey5]

No. Having shepard being able to fend off every attack belittles the enemies

[LadyofRivendell]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

-snip-

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

How'd that go again? IIRC you don't meet them until you get back yea.

By the time you (and possibly Alistair) make it to the final room, two people will come in and mention their plan to save you. In my case, Leliana and Morrigan always come in my games (not sure why?), and Leliana says something along the lines of, "I'm actually kind of disappointed that we didn't get to use our plan to save you."

[CamlTowPetttingZoo]

Inprea wrote...

CamlTowPetttingZoo wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Does Legion arriving with a geth transport as a Reaper is emerging from the ground count as rescue?

So Shepard should really not be rescued in that instance? Cause at the moment i can't see anyway out of that situation without a rescue being involved. I'm fine with my Shepard having to be rescued.

Did you miss the part about a tactical retreat or the word extraction in my very first post?

Over looked where you said extraction. Still i don't see a problem with a hero needing a rescue, it makes the story more believable when the hero is someone who does amazing things, but still needs to be pulled from the fire on occasion.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, OP, what if Shep had to be rescued, but was already in the middle of busting out when help arrived?

Squadmate 1: Shepard! We're here to... oh.
Shepard: Ohai gaiz. *shoots guard*
Squadmate 2: For f*ck's sake, really?

-snip-

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

How'd that go again? IIRC you don't meet them until you get back yea.

By the time you (and possibly Alistair) make it to the final room, two people will come in and mention their plan to save you. In my case, Leliana and Morrigan always come in my games (not sure why?), and Leliana says something along the lines of, "I'm actually kind of disappointed that we didn't get to use our plan to save you."

Haha. I'll be picking that option the next time I give it a run. It always seemed ridiculously easy to breakout of for a five star prison or whatever though, probably more so from the companion's side. Was hoping for osmething elaborate like riots and such.

[Ahglock]

In games I hate pretty much all forced rescues. I don't mind a you need a rescue because you suck and got shot in the face, but I hate it when not matter how good you do cut scene X makes you suck ass for a while so plot device or character X can rescue you. It really removes incentives to excel when no matter how good you do, you will fail in a cut scene.

[Bekkael]

darthnick427 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

It was hilarious if you chose to wait. Morrigan and dog and Sten and dog are two of my favorite choices of who comes to rescue the Warden.

Idk. Ohgren and Zevran were pretty damn funny

They were all funny, tbh. I reloaded it over and over just to see all the combos.