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[LadyofRivendell]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

It was hilarious if you chose to wait. Morrigan and dog and Sten and dog are two of my favorite choices of who comes to rescue the Warden.

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT. I don't remember this.

In DA:O when you (and possibly Alistair too) get captured and thrown into Fort Drakon's prison. You have the option to wait, in which case you choose two team mates to break you out (and hilarity ensues) or you choose to break out yourselve(s).
I always save right before and reload for different combos Never gets old seeing Zev and Oghren's street performing act.

[Bekkael]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

LadyofRivendell wrote...

So pretty much like DA:O if you choose to break out instead of waiting?

I guess.  How big was the comedy element in that moment?

I haven't gotten that far in DAO.

It was hilarious if you chose to wait. Morrigan and dog and Sten and dog are two of my favorite choices of who comes to rescue the Warden.

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT. I don't remember this.

If you don't defeat Ser Cauthrien you get taken to jail and you can either choose to break out or be rescued by your companions.

EDIT: 'd

Modifié par Bekkael, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Ahglock]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Does Legion arriving with a geth transport as a Reaper is emerging from the ground count as rescue?

Not to me, but his introduction in ME2 was full of fail IMO.  A cutscene where you start keystone kopping it just so the new character can snipe the bad guys and "save you" is lame.  

[Bekkael]

@EA Yes. She is Loghain's second.

Sometimes it pays to lose in a BioWare game.

Modifié par Bekkael, 26 octobre 2011 - 04:49 .

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Defeat who? Is that the knight that tries to fight you because you're a Gray Warden? Hmm, never lost, I'll have to do it sometime.

You can always surrender to avoid needless deaths. She manages to sew her head back on if you manage a decap anyway.

[100k]

"...please do not have Shepard need rescuing".

I stopped reading there, OP. Next time try to approach this topic with some measure of serious thought.

[lovgreno]

Shepard is a bit too MarySueish already, let him/her fail and need a rescue now and then so it doesn't get boring. Also, we want a realy scary and powerfull enemy to make Shepard more heroic right? At least it seems like that kind of story to me. Therefore this enemy needs to beat Shepard a few times, if the enemy fails to do this they are not realy a threat to anyone.

And as a bonus it gives the writers the opportunity to let us play as someone else for a change, hopefully it will mean more action that limping through the Normandys corridors avoiding scions though.

[seirhart]

100k wrote...

"...please do not have Shepard need rescuing".

I stopped reading there, OP. Next time try to approach this topic with some measure of serious thought.

The OP was being serious and I agree with the op I do not want shepard to be rescued at all.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Yelling at some random dropship pilot to give him a ride or he'll kick their ass shouldn't really count, right? I want that.

[Nimrodell]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Defeat who? Is that the knight that tries to fight you because you're a Gray Warden? Hmm, never lost, I'll have to do it sometime.

You should loose to ser Cauthrien on purpose - I always do 'cause both ways of Prison Break - escaping by yourself (without a fight) or being recued - are really funny. For instance, I always laugh at those two guards and their beef with quortermaster. And having Alistair there is even more funny.

[Xeranx]

Ahglock wrote...

In games I hate pretty much all forced rescues. I don't mind a you need a rescue because you suck and got shot in the face, but I hate it when not matter how good you do cut scene X makes you suck ass for a while so plot device or character X can rescue you. It really removes incentives to excel when no matter how good you do, you will fail in a cut scene.

It depends on how it's done/approached.  You're talking about obvious failings on the part of your character despite all preparations towards a successful outcome and I agree with that.  However, your character failing and needing to be rescued due to a handicap that exists or develops is something I can get behind.  

The Virmire situation for example was greatly downplayed for me when I experimented with saving Kaidan (I left him with the bomb) leaving Ashley with the STG team and finding the STG team in the cargo area afterwards.  I was wondering, "so why couldn't I save Ashley?"  That's not a situation I want to revisit, but it happens again in ME2 where a loyal squadmate (after trekking through the tubes and surviving) dies because the 1st team squadleader was normal or inadequate for the position they were assigned to.  It doesn't make sense.

Modifié par Xeranx, 26 octobre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

BW picked whom they thought should be the best leaders for the fire team because they said so they didn't take into account the characters backgrounds which they'd been telling us what they did and who the fought the whole game when making the list of acceptable leaders.

For instance Samara has survived 200+ years as a justicar that means fighting and thinking on your feet 200 years she didn't survive that long knitting sweaters so obviously she was doing something right that alone means she could've done just fine as fire team leader because she assesses and could tell other trained soldiers to react vs Kasumi who carefully plans every detail takes months to case a joint then further weeks of preparation before making her final move obviously this type of person isn't going to be good when its high pressure and bullets are flying she's an obvious fail pick for fire team leader.

For Virmire I even got Salarians on my team after I didn't go save them Kirahee died but that was another what moment why couldn't Kaiden just run like the other guys did? Also a 3rd possibility to have both VS live would've been have Joker drop the mako with a volunteer down at the salarian hold up while he was on his way to pick you up so they could've used the mako to suppress the fire we could've picked up bomb person then ran over or told the mako to book it and we'd pick them up if they lived.

[Robuthad]

Um, Shep needed rescuing on Arrival. But nobody helped him.
So he slept for 2 days and then kicked some ass. He def doesn't need anybody's people saving skills

[Garrison2009]

Inprea wrote...

Garrison2009 wrote...

Once again I'm just gonna put up the same quote from the very person we're arguing over...

"Some people see asking for help as a sign of weakness. That's just being stupid and stubborn. As strong as you are, allies can make you stronger."

Shepard may be a true badass, and able to take care of him/herself, but once in a while... I think even Shepard needs help, just like anybody else.

How does that line translate into, "I should need rescueing." ? Typically I would advize asking for aid before you're in a digher situation to the point that you've been rendered helpless. Which gets back into the subject of a tactical retreat. It's best to fall back while you still have strength enough to fight not wait until you've been reduce to a helpless sack.

The simple point is that sometimes things are beyond our, or (in this case...) Shepard's control. As much as you may hate a cutscene or something happening in the story that leaves Shepard in a position where he/she is all out of tricks and needs some serious help, it is realistic that at SOME time in the future SOMETHING like that will eventually happen, just like the Normandy being destroyed in ME2.

As I said, things happen that are beyond our control and if we make Shepard out to be someone where nothing is beyond his/her control... Than what's really the point of the game? At that point, it's just 'mega-awesome-god-Shepard blows all the Reapers up. The End.' There would be nothing surprising story-wise, no plot-twists, we wouldnt really care about the character as he/she would be invincible, and we might as well go back and play Mario or something. The story would pretty much be equivalent to one of the Italian Plumber's journeys...

Modifié par Garrison2009, 26 octobre 2011 - 06:48 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

I demand Shepard be able to shoot laz0rs out of his eyers....and fart lightning. Also, he is 10 feet tall, his footsteps cause eqrthquakes and tsunami's. The enemies drop dead out of sheer fear then they see him. HE never misses. NEVER (regardless how redicolous the shot is)
Also, he should be invulnerable, untouchable, unstopable, insourmantable, unmovable, brilliant, beautifull, amazingly awesome.
Everyone should swoon at his presence.

[FoxShadowblade]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I demand Shepard be able to shoot laz0rs out of his eyers....and fart lightning. Also, he is 10 feet tall, his footsteps cause eqrthquakes and tsunami's. The enemies drop dead out of sheer fear then they see him. HE never misses. NEVER (regardless how redicolous the shot is)
Also, he should be invulnerable, untouchable, unstopable, insourmantable, unmovable, brilliant, beautifull, amazingly awesome.
Everyone should swoon at his presence.

I demand all of the above, and that he be addressed only as "Slim Shady", and always have the option to punch annoying females, not just reporters.

[Garrison2009]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I demand Shepard be able to shoot laz0rs out of his eyers....and fart lightning. Also, he is 10 feet tall, his footsteps cause eqrthquakes and tsunami's. The enemies drop dead out of sheer fear then they see him. HE never misses. NEVER (regardless how redicolous the shot is)
Also, he should be invulnerable, untouchable, unstopable, insourmantable, unmovable, brilliant, beautifull, amazingly awesome.
Everyone should swoon at his presence.

]

Ha! Couldnt have said it in a more sarcastic way myself, sir! Excellent!

[redplague]

I want to see my Shepard get kicked in the head by the Illusive Man.

[Gokuthegrate]

I love my Shep and no matter how much I may love a badass female shes still human. Shes done some incredible things and came away nearly unscratched, but shes about to face the biggest threat to the galaxy and I seriously doubt she can do it without relying on those around her. I can seriously see the Reapers putting Shep into a situation where not only will squadmates need to come to the rescue but may also die in order to secure Shepard's safety.

[AdmiralCheez]

jreezy wrote...

I have no idea why the squadmates would even consider doing this besides maybe considering Shepard a friend.

Well, Ash, Kaidan, Liara, Tali, and Garrus are pretty much Shepard's homies whether you like it or not, so...

[biomag]

I definitely don't want to play as another character in this series ever again. This is about Shepard and while I accept a small Joker part in ME 2, I don't want to get out of character again. So rescuing yourself playing as someone else doesn't appeal to me at all.

Sitting there an watching others plan and attack and liberate my Shepard in a long scene where I can't do anything in the middle of the game sounds also disconnecting.

Also getting rescued and just watch a scene for a long time without any influence on the situation as Shepard isn't something I want to see... and if you read the first post you will see that's what the OP was talking about, no tactical support or help is part of his complain.

Still I disagree with the OP about the point that it would diminish Shepard to be in a helpless situation (again). I just don't like the options of handling the situation the way I described above. I was already pissed about how though my Shepard became when he charged the big fat guy from the last DLC... sorry, but no human should be able to beat that beast hand to hand.