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[Labrev]

darthnick427 wrote...

Garrus would be better than both.imo

I know there are probably going to be about 83494524 more posts saying this, but let me be the first to not agree with them.

Sure, he's stellar in combat and everything, but being a Spectre means more than that. Should Grunt be a Spectre? Someone like Garrus who gets easily affected by his emotions, lacks basic priniciple and admits that, "gray, I don't know what to do with gray" is not Spectre-material to me. Decisions to be made are far from black-and-white all the time.

Kaidan and Ashley are about ideal candidates IMO. They have backgrounds similar to Shepard that made him become one: Ash being the sole-survivor of the Eden Prime geth attack, Kaidan is said to have an impressive record with the Alliance like Ruthless Shep.

Only flags I'd have with them is Ash being a human-nationalist (but Saren was a racist, so...) and Kaidan's ability to make the hard choices (never seen it, but it's not to say he couldn't).

[Asari_Party]

Ashley is clearly xenophobic (bug-eyed monster), but I can see her being a Spectre more easily than I can see Kaiden.

[jeweledleah]

as much as I adore Garrus, he had 2 chances, TWO! to get into spectres and both time he pretty much threw them away. I don't think he would make a good spectre for that reason alone. he doesn't have enough stubbornness and patience to deal with red tape.

as for original post, I voted for Kaidan but honestly, its like comparing apples and oranges. their styles are pretty different, but their are both capable of getting the job done in their own way.

[General User]

Mesina2 wrote...

This poll is stupid.

That is correct, being a Spectre is all about being able to achieve results, not about having any particular skill set or personality.

So neither.

Modifié par General User, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:58 .

[darthnick427]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I know there are probably going to be about 83494524 more posts saying this, but let me be the first to not agree with them.

Sure, he's stellar in combat and everything, but being a Spectre means more than that. Should Grunt be a Spectre? Someone like Garrus who gets easily affected by his emotions, lacks basic priniciple and admits that, "gray, I don't know what to do with gray" is not Spectre-material to me. Decisions to be made are far from black-and-white all the time.

Kaidan and Ashley are about ideal candidates IMO. They have backgrounds similar to Shepard that made him become one: Ash being the sole-survivor of the Eden Prime geth attack, Kaidan is said to have an impressive record with the Alliance like Ruthless Shep.

Only flags I'd have with them is Ash being a human-nationalist (but Saren was a racist, so...) and Kaidan's ability to make the hard choices (never seen it, but it's not to say he couldn't).

I'd like to think it's all his trails and hardships that he's gone through that would make him a wise and capable spectre who knows full well what the consequences of his actions will be. I also think (at  least with a paragon Shepard) He has learned how to see in grey and what to do with it, thanks to shepard's guidence. I could definitely see a paragon Garrus having what it takes and then some. With renegade Garrus however.....we're looking at Saren 2.0 and if that's the case I agree with the above. But my paragon Garrus could easily be Spectre

Modifié par darthnick427, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[CptData]

Funkcase wrote...

Seriously why does every thread with Ash have to go down the ''She's racist'' road? There's more information to say she's not than is, you can paragon her so she's more trusting of aliens, and even her writer pointed out that she's not racist. It's laughable at how naive some people are.

Guess it's the thing with first impression: Ashley says something that sounds like a racist statement, therefore, she's a racist. Plus she's a "boring human" and not awesome. Garrus is awesome. Wrex is awesome. Tali is ... okay ... forget her, she's *get punched in face by Tali fans* awesome. Just kidding, I like Tali and love Wrex ...

Sorry if I offended anyone. Just wanna say Ashley suffers ppl who simply hate her and don't even give a try. I mean I'm not a big Liara fan and don't like Jack. But that's no reason to hate them. Liara is okay, I like to pick her for some missions. Jack never saw much action and I think her character is a bit too twisted to be enjoyable - but hey, it's all a matter of taste.

Back to topic: since we don't know how Ash & Kaidan do as Spectres in ME3 we simply can't say who's better. As an Ash fan I would say "Ashley", but then again, I believe they're pretty much even.

[Aurora313]

No matter how you slice it, or whomever you pick. The VS is the SpecTRe, it's canon. That's that. Don't judge on what you do not know. We do not know how Ash has changed, we do not know how Kaidan has changed. We do not know just what they have done or when they became SpecTRes. Speculation on who would be the 'better' option is pointless until you have the game in your respective consoles and are playing it through at least twice. Once with Ash, another with Kaidan. Do not judge whom is better until you've had both in your party during the final game.

Thank you and goodbye.

[Funkcase]

The way I see it they're the ying to each others yang, Kaidan will be more Paragon whilst Ash is more renegade. Whilst Kaidan will try to appeal to people for information Ash will intimidate them. They're both great.

Modifié par Funkcase, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:59 .

[alex90c]

ashley isn't as boring therefore she would be a better spectre

kaidan fans dont kill me, I actually think he's a decent guy, he just never makes it out of virmire ;D

[happy_daiz]

Ashley is probably the better spectre, but she never gets the chance to try in my playthroughs. 

Edit: OK, she did get one chance. One. We'll see how it shakes out.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:14 .

[darthnick427]

They'll both get there shots at Spectre in ME3 for me. I'll judge then. I think they would both be exceptional Human Spectres but in different ways. Nowhere near Shepard's level but exceptional nonetheless.

[Aurora313]

Aurora313 wrote...

No matter how you slice it, or whomever you pick. The VS is the SpecTRe, it's canon. That's that. Don't judge on what you do not know. We do not know how Ash has changed, we do not know how Kaidan has changed. We do not know just what they have done or when they became SpecTRes. Speculation on who would be the 'better' option is pointless until you have the game in your respective consoles and are playing it through at least twice. Once with Ash, another with Kaidan. Do not judge whom is better until you've had both in your party during the final game.

Thank you and goodbye.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

[Conway044]

Kaidan, because he's alive. Ashley is dead in all my saves.

[Cutlass Jack]

Of the two, Ashley. She seems more capable of actually making a decision on her own and sticking to it. Something of an important quality in Spectres, who usually work on their own.

From the Alliance point of view, either would be a better choice than Shepard for being a Spectre. Since both are far more likely to follow their orders, even though they technically aren't under their command.

[darthnick427]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

can't help but agree XD

[Funkcase]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

How? They've done more than what Shepard did when Shepard became a Spectre, and how is Garrus better? He messed up his chance twice, cant take orders and put's his emotions ahead of the misson.

Modifié par Funkcase, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[darthnick427]

Funkcase wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

How? They've done more than what Shepard did when Shepard became a Spectre, and how is Garrus better? He messed up his chance twice and put's his emotions ahead of the misson.

Lets not turn this into a flame war between the VS and Garrus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Funkcase]

darthnick427 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

How? They've done more than what Shepard did when Shepard became a Spectre, and how is Garrus better? He messed up his chance twice and put's his emotions ahead of the misson.

Lets not turn this into a flame war between the VS and Garrus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'm not trying to bash Garrus, dont worry, I actually like Garrus. I just dont see why everyone keeps saying Garrus when this isn't even a thread about Garrus.

[Patchwork]

Kaidan-paragon, Ashley-renegade is probably a good way to describe it. Both will be good spectres but with different ways of getting the mission accomplished.

It's unlikely either will match Shepard's notoriety but how many spectres regardless of species would? Shepard was the first human spectre, brought down a legend like Seren, saved the Citadel and told people the Reapers are coming. Then in ME2 went through the relay of no return and returned. Plus killed millions (or was it billions?) of batarians.It's a lot for *any* spectre to live up to.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[darthnick427]

Funkcase wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

How? They've done more than what Shepard did when Shepard became a Spectre, and how is Garrus better? He messed up his chance twice and put's his emotions ahead of the misson.

Lets not turn this into a flame war between the VS and Garrus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'm not trying to bash Garrus, dont worry, I actually like Garrus. I just dont see why everyone keeps saying Garrus when this isn't even a thread about Garrus.

Yeah you can blame me for that. I said Garrus first. haha. Some people just think he would do a better job than the VS, me included. But that's just my opinion. The VS will make a fine Spectre I'm sure.

[Funkcase]

darthnick427 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Garrus. VS got it passed to them like a football shep died and humanity wanted to stay in the game so they got it they aren't qualified on several levels.

How? They've done more than what Shepard did when Shepard became a Spectre, and how is Garrus better? He messed up his chance twice and put's his emotions ahead of the misson.

Lets not turn this into a flame war between the VS and Garrus. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I'm not trying to bash Garrus, dont worry, I actually like Garrus. I just dont see why everyone keeps saying Garrus when this isn't even a thread about Garrus.

Yeah you can blame me for that. I said Garrus first. haha. Some people just think he would do a better job than the VS, me included. But that's just my opinion. The VS will make a fine Spectre I'm sure.

Lol, the way I see it just about all of Shepards squad have the qualities of a spectre, I think from a story point of view the VS are the best choice, we need a second human Spectre, it's not a very good look with humanitys only spectre facing trial for genocide, the VS helping Shepard save the galaxy before make them the natural choice, it was handed to them, but becuase they're capable, and not just becuase of politics.

Modifié par Funkcase, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:46 .

[darthnick427]

Funkcase wrote...

Lol, the way I see it just about all of Shepards squad have the qualities of a spectre, I think from a story point of view the VS are the best choice, we need a second human Spectre, it's not a very good look with humanitys only spectre facing trial for genocide, the VS helping Shepard save the galaxy before make them the natural choice, it was handed to them, but becuase they're capable, and not just becuase of politics.

I agree with this. Humanity did need another spectre and why wouldn't they choose a soldier people are farmilar with? Smart move by humanity actually.

and I'm pretty sure most fans who want Garrus as a Spectre were the people who pushed him to be one in ME1, myself included. Otherwise most people wouldn't suggest Garrus in these threads as much. That's why I'm pushing for Garrus' Spectre status in ME3. I want my protege inducted damn it!! haha

Modifié par darthnick427, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:53 .

[Collider]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

Collider wrote...

You don't get raised in the life that Ashley did and simply be "cautious" when she says the things she does. Aliens ruined her family's reputation. Of course she's racist.

Oh man, i can't believe it. You're so obsessed with analyzing the hell out of characters and then go and throw this kind of statement. Other than "I can't tel the aliens from the animals" all the things she said make perfect sense, and even that little banter doesn't make her any more xenophobe than Kaidan's remark about Liara makes him a homophobe. 

And could we please stop mixing up xenophobe and racist already.

I take you haven't heard of the remarks she makes during the romance confrontation with Liara. They're quite slanted towards a bias against aliens.