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[jlb524]

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

[FASherman]

The "Dragon Age" is a period of 100 years. No one character is going to pan that timeframe. New characters are necessary. Not everyone's Warden lives. Not every player gave into the dark ritual. Not every player let Morrigan leave unbloody.

It seems like people want to extend their story with their decisions at the expense of others. My warden is dead. Leave him dead.

[AlexXIV]

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

That would be mine. Just that Alistair is not only forced to have sex with Morrigan, but also to marry Anora. Poor lad.

[Gunderic]

csfteeeer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No.

Yes

No!

I really, really hate canon (dealing with player characters) in RPG's.

[Gunderic]

FASherman wrote...

The "Dragon Age" is a period of 100 years. No one character is going to pan that timeframe.

Mages could... possibly.

[Wulfram]

Sunnie22 wrote...

wut?

I don't recall them "handling" the Warden in DA2 at all.

There were a few references here and there (the only important one was in the closing movie) but nothing more. The game wasn't about the Warden, it was about Hawke and the Amells. Or did I miss something?

Those few mentions, together with Leliana's role in the game, managed to totally screw up my Warden's happy ending.  That it's done with just a few mentions rather than anything substantial just makes it more annoying.

[macrocarl]

I like the idea a lot. Having Thedas be 'our' world fleshed out by characters you get to know over time in a game and DLC is a really greaat idea.

[dsl08002]

The thing also worth mentioning is that in origin you got really close to all of your companions and you met so many persons whose life were affected by you.

In origins where you talk to allistair several times in dialouge options in camp and outside you could actually feel the friendship between my warden and him, as best friends.

Same thing goes for romance in origins, as i romanced Leliana you could actually understand it.

that is one of several reason that i can think of bringing the warden back as main protaganist, because you can actually meet people that you met in origins and the "feeling" you get is nothing compared to the feeling you receive that appears when you have a new character.

think if the qunari invades and Sten is part of the assualt and in a last attempt to convince him of stop following the qun and tell him to: "think for yourself, your own will"
Then Sten would force to Dual you, if you had high freindship with him and he refers you to you as kadan it would be a "freindship in Flames" dual.

Modifié par dsl08002, 27 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .

[Heimdall]

prefer anew protagonist. I want a new story each game, not a continuation of the old one. (That's what I want out of Dragon Age at least)

[csfteeeer]

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a
Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could
potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if
they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing
team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

Lol, yes, ithat seems interesting, but to clear things up, i don't actually want them to canonize any race or Origin in particular.
i would prefer, but i don't see it very necessary.
and i'm also not supporting canonizing any particular romance or anything.

I'm talking about the JUST the OGB or US, everything else, well, i'd prefer if they'd canonize a race and origin, but not necessary.

oh, and

Gunderic wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No.

Yes

No!

I really, really hate canon (dealing with player characters) in RPG's.

YES!

[Mr.House]

csfteeeer wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a
Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could
potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if
they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing
team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

Lol, yes, ithat seems interesting, but to clear things up, i don't actually want them to canonize any race or Origin in particular.
i would prefer, but i don't see it very necessary.
and i'm also not supporting canonizing any particular romance or anything.

I'm talking about the JUST the OGB or US, everything else, well, i'd prefer if they'd canonize a race and origin, but not necessary.

Go play a JRPG or something then. Get your canon crap out of my DA!

[cmessaz]

Mr.House wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a
Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could
potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if
they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing
team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

Lol, yes, ithat seems interesting, but to clear things up, i don't actually want them to canonize any race or Origin in particular.
i would prefer, but i don't see it very necessary.
and i'm also not supporting canonizing any particular romance or anything.

I'm talking about the JUST the OGB or US, everything else, well, i'd prefer if they'd canonize a race and origin, but not necessary.

Go play a JRPG or something then. Get your canon crap out of my DA!

This.

[csfteeeer]

Mr.House wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a
Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could
potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if
they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing
team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

Lol, yes, ithat seems interesting, but to clear things up, i don't actually want them to canonize any race or Origin in particular.
i would prefer, but i don't see it very necessary.
and i'm also not supporting canonizing any particular romance or anything.

I'm talking about the JUST the OGB or US, everything else, well, i'd prefer if they'd canonize a race and origin, but not necessary.

Go play a JRPG or something then. Get your canon crap out of my DA!

i have a few words for that.

but you'll have to imagine them, cause i can't put them here.

i don't play JRPGs.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:52 .

[Mr.House]

csfteeeer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Besides, a
Writer should know that the destiny of a main character, that could
potentially be important, shouldn't be left in the players hands, and if
they do, then they create a canon for it(like The Fallout Writing
team).

i fully support the idea of canonizing the warden in any way, either by canonizing the US or the OGB, any canon.

The canon should totally be a female Dalish elf, romanced Leliana, with the OGB and Alistair as the baby-daddy.

Lol, yes, ithat seems interesting, but to clear things up, i don't actually want them to canonize any race or Origin in particular.
i would prefer, but i don't see it very necessary.
and i'm also not supporting canonizing any particular romance or anything.

I'm talking about the JUST the OGB or US, everything else, well, i'd prefer if they'd canonize a race and origin, but not necessary.

Go play a JRPG or something then. Get your canon crap out of my DA!

i have a few words for that.

but you'll have to imagine them, cause i can't put them here.

i don't play JRPGs.

Does it start with the letter F and end with the letter u?

Modifié par Mr.House, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[csfteeeer]

Mr.House wrote...

Does it start with the letter F and end with the letter u?

No.

[Mr.House]

csfteeeer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Does it start with the letter F and end with the letter u?

No.

Dang.

[csfteeeer]

Mr.House wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Does it start with the letter F and end with the letter u?

No.

Dang.

yeah.

i hate JRPGs.

i Really Do.

[lady_v23]

i don't mind a new character but i am hating the idea of leaving the old character story unfinished. -.l-

[Icesong]

Wulfram wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

wut?

I don't recall them "handling" the Warden in DA2 at all.

There were a few references here and there (the only important one was in the closing movie) but nothing more. The game wasn't about the Warden, it was about Hawke and the Amells. Or did I miss something?

Those few mentions, together with Leliana's role in the game, managed to totally screw up my Warden's happy ending.  That it's done with just a few mentions rather than anything substantial just makes it more annoying.

Yeah, they need to resolve why my Warden up and disappeared without Leliana, really frustrating. I'm not a fan of the vanishing hero act BioWare does all the time though at least your LI in DA2 goes with you.

[DRTJR]

I'd prefer that canonize a race or origin, because in the grand scale of things does it matter if he was a Dwarven prince or a City Elf, I found the Warden's tale is pretty much finished, I'd like the reason the Warden vanished being he is now the head dude what am.

[Theagg]

New protagonists, or existing protagonists both work. As for the latter and issues of leveling when carrying protagonists over, well decent writers could surmount that problem fairly easily. People are too linear in their thinking if they feel that's a block to such a continuation from one game to another working.

It's also been said that one of the reasons for a new protagonist in each installment is that it's really Thedas that is the ongoing 'character' you play. To date though I neither feel that Thedas is a character I'm shaping, nor that I have any real control over such a large personality. It's generally going in the predetermined direction the writers want it to take. With a few peripheral mentions of changes both the Warden and Hawkes actions have instigated. (Harrowmount vs Bhelen for example but beyond that, "in game" that important piece of action supposedly shaping Thedas isn't felt by the player at all. Likewise for many other actions)

So Thedas as being the character you shape really is an illusion (and a bit of a con) at the moment.

As others have said though, having protagonists 'mysteriously disappear' with no further resolution is poor. This doesn't mean they have to reappear as playable characters at some point though. What it does mean for me is that disappearance is resolved. Many ways to do that.

One way that I hope they don't do it though is to have Hawke and The Warden appear as NPC's and or cameo's. That would be an insult to quite a few who invested time in those characters. Watching their loved characters become automated bots solely behaving at the whim of the writers would be bad. It would also be laughable in my opinion.

I'm reminded here of the 1970's BBC serial 'Survivors', in which one of the main protagonists Greg disappears. He is never seen again but several of the episodes thereafter deal with trying to find out where he went and what happened to him. It's resolved satisfactorily in the end. There are probably may other fictional tales too that deal with vanished protagonists successfully (Dragon Age has yet to do this), without ever meeting them again.So if people are not to be given fully playable Warden and Hawke again, that's the kind of approach best suited to dealing with things left hanging.

[AlexXIV]

Gunderic wrote...

FASherman wrote...

The "Dragon Age" is a period of 100 years. No one character is going to pan that timeframe.

Mages could... possibly.

Especially such that are known to be the 'Hero of Ferelden' who also have met Avernus and uses his studies. Not to mention, who have avoided certain death by slaying the Archdemon even though every Warden 'knew' that it is impossible.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

I can say whether it's a good or bad thing, but it definitely loses much of the point of importing a save, you lose all of your investment into that character. In contrast, Mass Effect can seemingly be played as one long game, which I feel help gives you that "neverending feel" you get from bethesda games.

[AlexXIV]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I can say whether it's a good or bad thing, but it definitely loses much of the point of importing a save, you lose all of your investment into that character. In contrast, Mass Effect can seemingly be played as one long game, which I feel help gives you that "neverending feel" you get from bethesda games.

I remember the slogan (probably just marketing) 'the land is the main character'. As in, the player can shape the history of thedas instead of the history of just one person. Well it doesn't happen though, so it's void.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AlexXIV wrote...

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I can say whether it's a good or bad thing, but it definitely loses much of the point of importing a save, you lose all of your investment into that character. In contrast, Mass Effect can seemingly be played as one long game, which I feel help gives you that "neverending feel" you get from bethesda games.

I remember the slogan (probably just marketing) 'the land is the main character'. As in, the player can shape the history of thedas instead of the history of just one person. Well it doesn't happen though, so it's void.

. Thing is though, to be honest I don't find the setting or lore that interesting(bethesda does better lore despite everyone criticizing their writing), it's the characters that sell it to me.