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[AngryFrozenWater]

Zanallen wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The poll is now approaching 50/50.

Why is this so exciting for you people? Of course it is going to hit 50/50. We already had pretty much this same exact poll a few months ago. It had well over a thousand votes. And was pretty much 50/50 the entire time.

If you read responses from others in this thread there was someone who claimed a majority. So, yes, that's why I thought it was noteworthy. BTW: I am AFW. Not "you people".

[Sister Helen]

Well, if the voice acting is AMAZING, it gets my vote. I'm being my character choices in the Star Wars mmo on which voice actors I like the best rather than on the skill sets.

Now if voice acting is less than stellar (and yes, I'm looking at you, Three Worlds), then a non-voiced protagonist is the way to go.

Just my opinion, though.

[Gunderic]

[Insulting comment removed.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 14 décembre 2011 - 05:36 .

[erynnar]

tmp7704 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

To me, having 'cinematic presentation' with a mute lifeless protagonist is something akin to the "uncanny valley" affect.

It's a good thing then DA has the protagonist who is neither mute nor lifeless, no? At least on my screen he/she routinely moves around and gestures, and no one has problems holding regular conversations with them.

Granted, most of the time you won't actually see their expression with the camera focusing on the other person, but if that makes a character lifeless then i guess there's probably no single game character that qualitifes as 'alive' -- see the "if i have to watch an ass for X hours..." arguments.

(this may come as overly sarcastic, but what i really mean is, personally i absolutely don't get that "mute lifeless protagonist" feeling you speak of, when i play the game. He/she is to me just like all the others, merely with less of the spotlight time. It's especially weird when people complain about "mute protagonist" referring to a character who at the same time manages to drive them bonkers with her voice, offering them free ladders)

A game like DA:O got even closer to having this 'like watching a movie' quality but there was just one thing that was completely off that reminded me that I wasn't quite watching a movie...and it was the accursed "blank stare" silent protagonist.

It always puzzles me when people talk about the "blank stare" as something that selectively affects the protagonist, while they somehow manage to ignore far more frequent situations with every other character in the game doing exactly the same thing the PC occasionally does -- watching you in silence for long seconds while they wait for you to pick your dialogue responses. Not in the least because the PC is the one character for whom you can be fairly sure exactly what they are thinking during these situations, because you're supposedly supplying that mental process and emotions yourself.

Well said! And I too don't get the "blank stare" protagonist. Your protag has facial expressions in cut aways, the only blank stare is when you are deciding what to pick to say (same blank stare by Hawke) and the other characters routinely blankly stare at your character all the time. 

My character isn't lifeless because I am the one supplying them with life. And if I wanted to watch a movie, I'd watch a movie. The voice can be nice, but it isn't my Hawke, it's BioWare's. Which is fine, provided they make them a well formed already set character like Geralt in Witcher. I am not role playing Geralt, I am playing Geralt to see his story. Hawke was boring, lifeless and as vehicles went, needed a lot of work. I'm fine with them wanting to tell a story and for me to use their ride to get to it, but don't give me the poorly done illusion of choice.

[Atakuma]

Gunderic wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The poll is now approaching 50/50.

51/49 now. Console kiddies/Mike Laidlaw fanboys lose again. 

A two percent difference in a poll that doesn't accurately represent anything, is hardly a victory. Though I could see how it might look that way through troll logic.

Modifié par Atakuma, 13 décembre 2011 - 06:28 .

[jbrand2002uk]

Wishes all the bookies who want to read lines of text and "imagine " a voice in their heads would sod off back to the library and stop ruining videogames XD ( books are for reading games are for playing and never should they have met ever )

[Zanallen]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If you read responses from others in this thread there was someone who claimed a majority. So, yes, that's why I thought it was noteworthy. BTW: I am AFW. Not "you people".

You people as in the people who keep commenting on the 50/50 nature of the poll. There are a number of you. I can't be bothered to track down all of your names and list them.

[brightblueink]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

Wishes all the bookies who want to read lines of text and "imagine " a voice in their heads would sod off back to the library and stop ruining videogames XD ( books are for reading games are for playing and never should they have met ever )

Dude, I'm for voice acting but this response doesn't make any sense to me. If you don't want to read, WHY are you playing an RPG? Go play a shooter or a puzzle game or...Mario, or something.

[jbrand2002uk]

my point being a silent pc is out of date and too much like a book would you pay £40 for a book or be happy with having to use electricity to read it ?

[vania z]

jbrand2002uk wrote...

my point being a silent pc is out of date and too much like a book would you pay £40 for a book or be happy with having to use electricity to read it ?

Are you a victim of modern education?

[MerinTB]

jbrand2002uk wrote...
my point being a silent pc is out of date and too much like a book would you pay £40 for a book or be happy with having to use electricity to read it ?

Depends on the book, right?



That's a book you need electricity to read that costs more than 40 pounds.

But books don't generally costs @$60, even in hardcover on release.  Not fiction, at least (text books and technical books, YEP, but games are fiction and entertainment sooo) so let's ask -

would you buy a book that you can get paperback for $10 or less for more and have to use electricity to read it?




Ah, yep.

Or... we could just accept that your comparison was ill-thought?

[jbrand2002uk]

No I was born in 83 as for my favourite books the are The Lensman series by E.E Doc Smith who many consider the grandfather of Science Fiction heres a link if your unaware or Too young to know these books
http://en.wikipedia..../Lensman_series I find these much more entertaining than DAO
BTW the 1st book Tri-Planetary was written in 1934 and since as modern kids cant understand propper english only that daft American English I doubt a teenager would be able to read them or Chaucer or shakespere for that matter

[jbrand2002uk]

Well Actually Dragon Age Asunder is Available here in paperback for £5.99 which is approx under $10 P.S MerinTB could you please have Mr Garibaldi stop pointing his PPG at me its making me twitch lol

[jbrand2002uk]

P.S I hate E-books they are just perveted witchcraft lol

[MerinTB]

I'll have a word with Michael. I was thinking about going through the pain of changing to a new avatar anyway.

[jbrand2002uk]

By all means Keep it i love Babylon 5 I have the ultimate edition boxset with all 52 DVDs

[damnemma]

Am I the only one who feels funnier when hawke cracks a funny?

[jbrand2002uk]

No damnemma your not alone have a " I swear its not sexual" huggie from me

[damnemma]

Haha consolation prize. I like.

[KLUME777]

Hey OP,  you should include This Poll, as well. It was from a few months ago, but it has a thousand votes with the exact same outcome, 50/50.

It came from This Thread.

[Realmzmaster]

Gunderic wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

The poll is now approaching 50/50.

51/49 now. Console kiddies/Mike Laidlaw fanboys lose again. 

Not statistically significant enough to claim a win on either side. So if Bioware goes with a slient protagonist for DA3 that means 49% of the fanbase will be upset and 51% will be happy. Bioware is going to lose sales either way.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Zanallen wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

If you read responses from others in this thread there was someone who claimed a majority. So, yes, that's why I thought it was noteworthy. BTW: I am AFW. Not "you people".

You people as in the people who keep commenting on the 50/50 nature of the poll. There are a number of you. I can't be bothered to track down all of your names and list them.

Please. Be more civil.

[Zanallen]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Please. Be more civil.

How am I not being civil? I wasn't referring to just you. I was referring to a group of people that you happen to be a part of. Unfortunately, that group of people does not have a generally accepted proper noun used to describe them as of yet. Thus, "you people" shall have to suffice. If you would like to form a group with the rest of the people that I was referring to and hold a commitee to choose a name for yourselves as a whole, then I shall be more than happy to refer to your collective by said name. Until such an event occurs, "you people" is a perfectly acceptable method for referring to the entirety of said group.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Zanallen wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Please. Be more civil.

How am I not being civil? I wasn't referring to just you. I was referring to a group of people that you happen to be a part of. Unfortunately, that group of people does not have a generally accepted proper noun used to describe them as of yet. Thus, "you people" shall have to suffice. If you would like to form a group with the rest of the people that I was referring to and hold a commitee to choose a name for yourselves as a whole, then I shall be more than happy to refer to your collective by said name. Until such an event occurs, "you people" is a perfectly acceptable method for referring to the entirety of said group.

You can't talk your way out of this. You know exactly what I mean. Let's cut this or take it to PM.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 14 décembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Fallstar]

KLUME777 wrote...

Hey OP,  you should include This Poll, as well. It was from a few months ago, but it has a thousand votes with the exact same outcome, 50/50.

It came from This Thread.

That poll was simply voiced versus silent PC. Mine is regarding the dialogue system, which includes both the paraphrase system and whether or not the PC is voiced. There is a significant difference. For example in that poll I would have been undecided whether to choose voiced or silent, whereas in mine I would go straight away for the silent option, due to the inclusion of paraphrasing in the voiced option. (The paraphrase system being my biggest issue with Dragon Age 2.) I find it strange that some people appear unable to tell the difference between the two polls.

Edit: I will include the link to that poll in the OP however, if people want to see something based purely on whether or not the PC is voiced, rather than looking at the dialogue system in a more general sense.

Update:

Voiced PC with paraphrasing:  317 votes 48%
Silent PC with full dialogue trees: 338 votes 52%

The difference is still insignificant at the 5% confidance level. At a 10% confidance level you can say that the BSN prefers the silent PC with full dialogue trees option, but I've always found 10% levels to be a bit unreliable.

Modifié par DuskWarden, 14 décembre 2011 - 11:33 .