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[Aurora313]

Yea. I know. It was a character shield for ME3, that's all it was. And unfortunately, it's already near 2 years too late to change it. We better get an awesomely done make-up scene for the pile of crap they called a reunion.

edit:  I have a strange compulsion to post an imagine of Ashley... (lol, spent too much time on her fan-thread).

Modifié par Aurora313, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:43 .

[CptData]

Ravensword wrote...

I think the writers just got lazy.

Dunno. I think that particular scene got some lines cut - and any subsequent events regarding the VS got either cut from ME2 because of lack of significance or were planned as DLC and later shifted to ME3 to improve impact. Who knows?

I'm still waiting for a "VS DLC" that gives a bit more fluff (= in case the VS is your LI) but I know it won't come. It's too late.

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Aurora313 wrote...

Yea. I know. It was a character shield for ME3, that's all it was. And unfortunately, it's already near 2 years too late to change it. We better get an awesomely done make-up scene for the pile of crap they called a reunion.

edit:  I have a strange compulsion to post an imagine of Ashley... (lol, spent too much time on her fan-thread).

I know that feeling ... no top Ash here plz

Modifié par CptData, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:47 .

[CrutchCricket]

CptData wrote...

The support thread isn't made for lengthy debates about "did Ashley lashed against Shepard on Horizon". You saw that thread went over 40 pages - with interesting postings. Now try to think about it if the same topic would come up in the support thread - it won't last 40 pages, not even 40 postings.

Not because of "you are a troll" interrupts but because not all Ashley fans want to go through that stuff over and over again. I can only speak for myself, but I'm fine with Horizon and Ashley and totally understand her reaction. Especially since Shepard acted odd - Mr. Suave failed epically on Horizon.

That's not a conceptual fault. I haven't been on these boards that long and I don't really venture outside the Miranda thread much. But on there anything can be and is being discussed from pro and cons of romance down to individual lines the character says. So yes lengthy debates are perfectly acceptable (or they should be) otherwise what keeps the thread going? We still have 5 months to go. How many times can people really post the same pictures or stuff like "omg ashley's so awesome!!  i luv her 4ever lolololo!!!1"? No doubt plenty of people express their admiration more eloquently but the point remains how do you keep a thread going without discussion? Posting a dissenting opinion as long as it's kept respectful can get you more pages than all the Ashley pics combined.

I see your point about repetition but if the particular topic's been done to death and a newbie jumps in with it (like I've done on several occasions) simply redirecting them to where it's been discussed or summarizing it is perfectly fine.

Now if Ashley fans aren't doing this, that's why the OP has a problem. Doesn't change the fact that it should, can and does work elsewhere.

[Aurora313]

And people wonder why I make up stories on these forums...

If bioware was kind enough to release some new information about Ashley, hell. It could just be some lore-building things, then we'd have things to talk about. But debating whether or not to stay loyal to her is another discussion entirely. The Ashley fanthread is for Ash loyalists, not those who moved on from her.

[CptData]

CrutchCricket: you've got a point. However, that Miranda-thread is growing quite fast and, although lurking from time to time, I don't feel the urge to read through all 600+ pages. heck with it, I even get stomped once because I disliked the idea of an "oversexed Miranda with a long list of one night stands" - that's not the image I have of Miranda. Maybe I wouldn't get stomped if I had created a new Miri-Thread discussing that topic instead of posting it into Miri-fan-thread? Maybe that topic was discussed earlier in the thread and I didn't know?

Doesn't matter here, I'm just saying. And ignore grammar fail, I feel awful atm (= got cold)

Whatever. I think it should be no problem to open a thread regarding a character (after all, this is the character & romance board!) if you have to discuss a new interesting topic. The Horizon thread was a bit redundant but only as a Horizon thread, not as an Ashley thread!

Modifié par CptData, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:57 .

[SandTrout]

Stanley has a habit of not demonstrating good judgement regarding redirecting 'disucssion' on the character/romance board.

The OP is correct in that any dissenting opinions are redirected to threads where dissenting opinions are specifically not welcome. I had this issue regarding the same-sex relationship issue, and did end up sending Woo a PM, but the response was along the lines of "Those threads always end in flame wars" even though the threads in question did not exhibit this.

This blatent endorsement of a single side of varrious issues is not an acceptable stance for incouraging productive discussion. Punish trolling and flaming, but cutting off discussion because your community managers don't care enough to determine is a topic actually is violating forum rules is just a bad idea.

[CrutchCricket]

CptData: I literally joined last week so I'm definitely not up to speed on the 600 pages. Maybe I'll have time to go through it maybe not. All I know is I have been keeping up and thread veterans have been pretty good in pointing me to where discussions already took place. It sucks you got stomped, I must admit there are dominant viewpoints on there and going up against them isn't easy. Still if you've got the energy for it, best thing to do is give back as good as you get.

Anyway given it's the way things are, not the way things should be that lead to this issue, I'd say that making a thread about the Horizon VS event and reactions to it is probably what you're looking for (as opposed to "you dumping Ashley? discussion"). You can discuss Shepard and Ashley's (or Kaidan's) actions, motivations, thoughts etc and it doesn't really belong to any character thread.

Also, hope you feel better:wizard:

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[spirosz]

Is there a reason it got locked, I remember being in the discussion a few weeks back and it far from being rude or anything. We had an argument, but both sides understood each others viewpoints, even if they disagreed. Strange.

[FoxHound109]

I never understood that about BSN. This part of the forum is to discuss characters and one thread for each character just isn't enough.

[CptData]

CrutchCricket: I'm fine, it wasn't that bad. I just didn't want to make it worse - if Miri's fans like to see her as a vixen that uses her body as weapon - I'm fine with it. It doesn't work for me and / or my canon!Miri ...

That's also one of the reasons why support threads should stay support threads: there you can (and should) discuss about your view of a certain character. My canon!Ashley is different from Aurora's Ashley for example. Same for Miri, Tali, Garrus, you name it.

Horizon fits to the character/romance topic but since it's regarding Kaidan and Ashley it should stay its own thread. That "Is Ashley is still your girl" thread is more a "Horizon thread" than an "Ashley thread" in my eyes, but hey ... we can talk about this for hours and won't get it back.

[Rune-Chan]

Fidget6 wrote...

I think you're taking this far too personally.....

I agree, but he has a very good point. If support threads are only for support, and detracting threads are shut down, where can people who don't like a character post their opinions?

Bioware seem to be taking a "If you don't like it you can f*** off" stance with a lot of things nowadays and I don't just mean regarding characters, specifically.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:12 .

[CrutchCricket]

CptData: I don't know how long ago this happened but I can assure you that as far as I can tell that is NOT the dominant opinion of Miranda (and hardly my own). She can use her sexuality as a weapon and she knows it- says so herself ingame. But that's not to say she goes around doing that all the time. Whoever was pushing that must've been driven out themselves because I haven't seen that suggested since I've been there.

Ideally, there are different interpretations of a character and a few core facts and/or generally accepted attributes. The way it should work is people comparing notes on their interpretation, using ingame evidence to support them. Sadly people go overboard and start trying to make their claims universally true. It does ruin it for some people.

Yeah I don't know if mods have ever reversed a lock decision. But maybe you can keep the frequent posters of that thread together and subtly start a new one?

[Siansonea]

This thread hasn't been locked yet? As far as I know, we're not supposed to create threads to discuss the closing of other threads.

[Siansonea]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

I think you're taking this far too personally.....

I agree, but he has a very good point. If support threads are only for support, and detracting threads are shut down, where can people who don't like a character post their opinions?

Bioware seem to be taking a "If you don't like it you can f*** off" stance with a lot of things nowadays and I don't just mean regarding characters, specifically.

I don't blame them. They are providing this community structure. If you want an "I Hate BioWare" community, you probably shouldn't do it on the BioWare site. Seems logical to moi. Posting here is a privilege, not a right.

[ObserverStatus]

Fidget6 wrote...

I think you're taking this far too personally.....

It's no just Mr. Woo, all the mods do it.  Remember how there used to anti-tali, anti-multiplayer, and anti-S/S Romance threads?  Just get used to it.

Modifié par bobobo878, 27 octobre 2011 - 05:17 .

[alperez]

It happened with the first thread we had discussing this particular issue, then again with the second, as far as i can remember at no time despite disagreements did we ever resort to flaming or name calling in either.

Considering we're discussing an almost specific part of the character and what their actions meant and we have 2 sides offering different views about it, it just doesn't belong in a support thread, as Knight rightly points out, some people would accuse those taking a contrary view as being trolls.

Just because your discussing a particular character shouldn't mean every discussion about that character belongs in a support thread and perhaps though we need to open a thread based on the actions of the VS on Horizon in general, that way we're clearly discussing both Ash and Kaiden, maybe that'll stop us being directed to post in the wrong place.

[General User]

Kinda makes me wonder how Bioware really sees BSN.

I mean, do they want to provide their fans with a place to discuss the issues surrounding products, or do they just want us to cheer them on?

Is this website just one big ad?

Modifié par General User, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .

[Wulfram]

General User wrote...

Is this website just one big ad?

That's it's main function.  Ideally, they want it to create a lasting community of people who will not only buy all their games but serve as advocates elsewhere in the web.

[CrutchCricket]

I don't know, I've been here for about a week and I don't really feel compelled to... *head twitch* must buy.. merchandise!
All hail Bioware!

[General User]

Occupy BSN!

...actually, I'm probably on this website too much as is.

Modifié par General User, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:21 .

[CroGamer002]

General User wrote...

Kinda makes me wonder how Bioware really sees BSN.

I mean, do they want to provide their fans with a place to discuss the issues surrounding products, or do they just want us to cheer them on?

Is this website just one big ad?

Considering Dragon Age 2 forums are mostly about complaints and Mass Effect 2 forums for past year and half had often complaints thread( even on ME3 forums we have pop out often) and they rarely got closed( mostly if it's an obvios troll thread or multi-thread) while one of Bioware devs sometimes reply( not counting Chris), I'm sure it's not just to cheer them.


Seriously, are you here longer then me and you question that?

Also smudboy thread was closed do to going off-topic and name calling, but nobody bother to start that topic again( thank God).

[Ieldra]

CptData wrote...
CrutchCricket: you've got a point. However, that Miranda-thread is growing quite fast and, although lurking from time to time, I don't feel the urge to read through all 600+ pages. heck with it, I even get stomped once because I disliked the idea of an "oversexed Miranda with a long list of one night stands" - that's not the image I have of Miranda. Maybe I wouldn't get stomped if I had created a new Miri-Thread discussing that topic instead of posting it into Miri-fan-thread? Maybe that topic was discussed earlier in the thread and I didn't know?

Sorry you got stomped on, CptData. The likely reason is that when people like me say "Miranda is sexually experienced", we get stomped on by a certain faction of fans who answer "Hey you want Miranda to be a sl*t with a long list of one night stands. I hate that", when that isn't nearly what we said. So there might be some oversensitivity here.

I think many problems can be laid at the feet of people unable to see shades of grey. For them, there's only back and white - good or evil, love or hate, celibate until Shepard comes by or a sl*t. Even more to the point, whitewash everything bad Cerberus did or dismiss everything good they did.  

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:27 .

[Nashiktal]

While I loathe character threads as saphra pointed out by quoting my post, I have to say I also loathe anti-character threads as well. In my mind both are just breeding grounds for fights.

I don't see the character threads going away any time soon, but we need to figure out some way to let the mods allow character discussions outside of their own threads, or things are just going to stagnate.

For example in the Tali thread, before a big argument started the thread itself was just in a constant loop of posting pics (mostly the same pics) praising tali (in the same ways for about oh... a few hundred pages) and occasionally about geth vs quarians (which isn't directly tali related). It was only broken up by the occasional troll.

That just wasn't going anywhere, it still probably won't as discussion is heavily regulated. Character threads do have legitimate issues with trolls, but a dissenting opinion is not trolling, and can in fact provide productive discussion that can open entire new facets of a character in which to explore.