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[Golden Owl]

I had a thought the other day...It seems we are assured a strong presense of ME1 squaddies in ME3...Liara, VS, etc... but it's all been very quiet about ME2 squaddies and this has got me thinking...why?...ME1 squaddies were all right time, right place for their recruitments (nothing to do with their actual abilities), where as ME2 squaddies are meant to be the best of the best (sorry but Tali is an odd one there)....So with the big war coming up, I have been thinking why would Shep recruit an Archeologist, a grunt Soldier/Biotic, etc... over those proven to be the best in the field of battle?...I just thought it seems odd, thats all....Thoughts?

Please Note...I am a big fan of Kaidan's (my VS)...my thoughts are not about favortism...just observation.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 27 octobre 2011 - 06:21 .

[Skullheart]

Same goes for ME2, why sould we recruit a lot of people that we don't know when we had a good team in ME1?

The only character that I don't want in my squad from the confirmed is Liara. She could be more useful in her ship giving us info. After all she is the damn Shadow Broker, if she want to give us a hand in combat she can send us Feron to help us.

[Total Biscuit]

The ME1 crew may have come together by chance, but they more than proved themselves given how the seven off them managed to defeat a Geth army and foil Sovereign. Any and all of them would have been perfectly at home amongst the ME2 squad, and I'm delighted to have almost all of them back for 3.

As for Tali not deserving to be there in 2, she's considered an engineering genius amongst a race who are by and large a bunch of engineering geniuses, been given all kinds of training by her father, learnt how to fight in wars besides Shepard and the rest fighting Sarens army, seen more combat than half the ME2 newbies combined in doing so, upgrades the Normandy's shields, and is one of only 3 people on the squad capable of successfully completing the Tech Specialist task in the SM.

All the ME1 squadmates are as hard as nails. They are the best of the best, and the fact they got lucky by being at the right places at the right times in ME1 is neither here nor there, and just as true for Shepard themselves.

Still, I am hoping for and fully expecting at least a couple of 2's squadmates in 3, they're all awesome, and the more returning characters the better I say, regardless of when or how we recruited them in the first place.

[LadyofRivendell]

Kaidan and Ashley are Spectres in ME3, which means they'll be important for resources and Council support. And they're not exactly pushovers in the field, either.

Liara's the Shadow Broker, plenty of powerful knowledge at Shepard's hands. Not to mention she's a pretty powerful biotic.

Garrus and Tali are joining you more out of friendship and support, I think, than actually being critical to the mission.

Vega's part is explained in a comic, if I recall correctly, which I haven't read.

[CptData]

Just for the record: I like Kaidan, but he doesn't make it through Virmire in any of my playthroughs - I just can't virmire Ashley ...

Basically, I want Ashley, Wrex, Garrus and Tali from ME1 and Mordin, Miranda and Zaeed from ME2 for my "permanent" squad.

[seirhart]

What I see is that Liara will still be the shadow broker but she will up and move to the normandy and still be the shadow broker. She doesn't need to be on her ship to be the shadow broker. In all of my playthru's except for one Kaiden lived, the one where kaiden didn't live is ashley. One of my shepards hooked up with her for the sole purpose of achievement and cheated on her with miranda. I prefer Kaiden way before Ashley.

Who I want to return as squad mates is Kaiden, Garrus, Liara, Tali, Mordin, Miranda, Wrex Samara

[wright1978]

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

[shepskisaac]

They've come a long way since ME1. VS is now a Spectre and Liara is a freaking Shadow Broker. Even if they were 'lesser' than ME2 squaddies, they definitely ain't so anymore, even Liara who I may not like personally but being a Shadow Broker, she's a priceless ally to have during the war.

[CptData]

wright1978 wrote...

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

Lemme say ME1 characters got some good char development and as such had a lot of moments:

Ashley / Kaidan: VS & future Spectre
Liara: new Shadow Broker
Garrus: Returns in ME2, had his own "team".
Tali: Seems to be matured a lot, returns in ME2, could be a strong speaker for peace with Geth one day
Wrex: Leader of Urdnot Clan (if not virmired)

They all have a more or less great influence in ME3.

Can't say that about most of ME2 crewmates with exception of maybe Mordin and Miranda.

[aiDvEoN]

wright1978 wrote...

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

The VS was kept out of ME2 because they're needed plot-wise in ME3
Liara (Sueness aside) is the Shadow Broker, and the same principle applies as the VS

Wrex could die in ME1, but if he lived, he's become a warlord and unifying force among the Krogan
Team Dextro came back in ME2 due to fan demand based on their awesomeness, and it'd be a waste to not have some squaddies who are with you all the way.

Where's the favouritism being shown to anyone but Liara?  As for your pet Cerberus loyalist, given that she's near impossible to kill in the SM, I think she's got a major part to play in 3.

As for the question (looks at confirmed squadmates) Team Dextro is there.  Yep, I got the right squad.

Modifié par aiDvEoN, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Asari_Party]

aiDvEoN wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

The VS was kept out of ME2 because they're needed plot-wise in ME3
Liara (Sueness aside) is the Shadow Broker, and the same principle applies as the VS

Wrex could die in ME1, but if he lived, he's become a warlord and unifying force among the Krogan
Team Dextro came back in ME2 due to fan demand based on their awesomeness, and it'd be a waste to not have some squaddies who are with you all the way.

Where's the favouritism being shown to anyone but Liara?  As for your pet Cerberus loyalist, given that she's near impossible to kill in the SM, I think she's got a major part to play in 3.

Garrus and Tali are shoved down our throats in all three games. There is you favoritism.

[CptData]

Roxy12 wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

The VS was kept out of ME2 because they're needed plot-wise in ME3
Liara (Sueness aside) is the Shadow Broker, and the same principle applies as the VS

Wrex could die in ME1, but if he lived, he's become a warlord and unifying force among the Krogan
Team Dextro came back in ME2 due to fan demand based on their awesomeness, and it'd be a waste to not have some squaddies who are with you all the way.

Where's the favouritism being shown to anyone but Liara?  As for your pet Cerberus loyalist, given that she's near impossible to kill in the SM, I think she's got a major part to play in 3.

Garrus and Tali are shoved down our throats in all three games. There is you favoritism.

Neither Garrus nor Tali seem to be important enough to be protected by plot armor like VS, Liara and Joker. They all survive ME1 and ME2. Garrus and Tali can die in ME2, so if you don't like them, don't do their LM and let them die.

[Asari_Party]

CptData wrote...

Neither Garrus nor Tali seem to be important enough to be protected by plot armor like VS, Liara and Joker. They all survive ME1 and ME2. Garrus and Tali can die in ME2, so if you don't like them, don't do their LM and let them die.

I did. But they're still full fledged squadmates in all three games. Ashley and Kaiden only have cameos in ME2, Liara had one mission and it seems that most ME2 squadmates are sidelined in ME3. Only Garrus and Tali's fans got what they wanted all the time. Now if that's not favoritism I don't know what is.

[shepskisaac]

aiDvEoN wrote...

Where's the favouritism being shown to anyone but Liara?

Tali & Garrus lol? Nobody even tries to pretend the only reason they will end up being permanent squadmates in all 3 games (despite having just as high chance of dying during SM as anyone else) is because of the popularity contest = favouritism.

[CptData]

Roxy12 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Neither Garrus nor Tali seem to be important enough to be protected by plot armor like VS, Liara and Joker. They all survive ME1 and ME2. Garrus and Tali can die in ME2, so if you don't like them, don't do their LM and let them die.

I did. But they're still full fledged squadmates in all three games. Ashley and Kaiden only have cameos in ME2, Liara had one mission and it seems that most ME2 squadmates are sidelined in ME3. Only Garrus and Tali's fans got what they wanted all the time. Now if that's not favoritism I don't know what is.

Maybe that's because some of the BW devs are Tali/Garrus fans as well? Who knows.

I love my Ashley and have a thing for Miranda - and I hope I can pick both for "permanent squadmates" in ME3, but will also use Tali and Garrus like before. I don't dislike any characters and don't really mind "fanservice".

Whatever - all of my ME2 mates made it through the SM and will have their role in ME3 I hope. Includes Kasumi and Zaeed. Actually, I want Zaeed as permament squadmate as well, but hey ...

[Aurora313]

I would 'fire' Jacob, Tali, Jack, Liara ... I'd have Samara as a temp, Grunt as temp, Mordin as semi-permenant. Ash, Vega, Garrus and Legion are my permanents.

[aiDvEoN]

Roxy12 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Neither Garrus nor Tali seem to be important enough to be protected by plot armor like VS, Liara and Joker. They all survive ME1 and ME2. Garrus and Tali can die in ME2, so if you don't like them, don't do their LM and let them die.

I did. But they're still full fledged squadmates in all three games. Ashley and Kaiden only have cameos in ME2, Liara had one mission and it seems that most ME2 squadmates are sidelined in ME3. Only Garrus and Tali's fans got what they wanted all the time. Now if that's not favoritism I don't know what is.

<sigh>
Ashdan Willenko and Liara weren't part of the team in ME2 because half the point was that anyone could die in the LM, and they were needed alive for the final instalment.  That's different to being sidelined.

IF it truly was favoritism, then Team Dextro would have gotten the same plot armour.

[aiDvEoN]

Roxy12 wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

You're certainly not the first to point out the obvious favouritism being given to ME1 squaddies thus far. If Miranda makes the team i'll tolerate other of my favourites getting benched.

The VS was kept out of ME2 because they're needed plot-wise in ME3
Liara (Sueness aside) is the Shadow Broker, and the same principle applies as the VS

Wrex could die in ME1, but if he lived, he's become a warlord and unifying force among the Krogan
Team Dextro came back in ME2 due to fan demand based on their awesomeness, and it'd be a waste to not have some squaddies who are with you all the way.

Where's the favouritism being shown to anyone but Liara?  As for your pet Cerberus loyalist, given that she's near impossible to kill in the SM, I think she's got a major part to play in 3.

Garrus and Tali are shoved down our throats in all three games. There is you favoritism.

Shoved down our throats?  LOL.  You don't even have to recruit Tali.

[shepskisaac]

aiDvEoN wrote...

IF it truly was favoritism, then Team Dextro would have gotten the same plot armour.

No. The true favouritism is picking them out of all ME2 squadmates who can die during SM based on no other reason than popularity.

[Rune-Chan]

Total Biscuit wrote...

The ME1 crew may have come together by chance, but they more than proved themselves given how the seven off them managed to defeat a Geth army and foil Sovereign. Any and all of them would have been perfectly at home amongst the ME2 squad, and I'm delighted to have almost all of them back for 3.

As for Tali not deserving to be there in 2, she's considered an engineering genius amongst a race who are by and large a bunch of engineering geniuses, been given all kinds of training by her father, learnt how to fight in wars besides Shepard and the rest fighting Sarens army, seen more combat than half the ME2 newbies combined in doing so, upgrades the Normandy's shields, and is one of only 3 people on the squad capable of successfully completing the Tech Specialist task in the SM.

All the ME1 squadmates are as hard as nails. They are the best of the best, and the fact they got lucky by being at the right places at the right times in ME1 is neither here nor there, and just as true for Shepard themselves.

Still, I am hoping for and fully expecting at least a couple of 2's squadmates in 3, they're all awesome, and the more returning characters the better I say, regardless of when or how we recruited them in the first place.

What else is there to add? Hit the nail on the head.

[aiDvEoN]

IsaacShep wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

IF it truly was favoritism, then Team Dextro would have gotten the same plot armour.

No. The true favouritism is picking them out of all ME2 squadmates who can die during SM based on no other reason than popularity.

Also ignoring the fact that we don't know what any of the others are doing at this point in time.

And are you just going to outright reject the appeal of having squadmates who are there for the entire trilogy on the grounds that its Team Dextro?

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Garrus isn't forced, just do the Shadow Broker path (Ask Anderson for other leads after the Council meeting), then tell Garrus no before leaving the Citadel. No more Garrus for ME 1.

Tali can be refused, just say no. She does ask, however (and can be considered shoved in our face).

Don't know what effects this would have in ME 2, tho.... (if any)

[SnakeStrike8]

IsaacShep wrote...

aiDvEoN wrote...

IF it truly was favoritism, then Team Dextro would have gotten the same plot armour.

No. The true favouritism is picking them out of all ME2 squadmates who can die during SM based on no other reason than popularity.

We know Mordin shows up doing something of fair importance, and he's just as likely to catch one in the chest as Team Dextro. He is, in fact, more likely since more people had him die than any others on their first runs. We know Legion shows up too.
I'd like to think instead that Bioware sat down, laid out cards with all of the ME 2 crew, and asked themselves, 'what would these guys be doing?'. And they assigned roles of import to all of them, top to bottom, and at the end they were left with Garrus as the only guy who truly has nowhere else to go and nothing else to do (except sleep on Shepard's ship and mooch his food), so they made him a squadman.
Reverse favouritism!