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[Mr_Steph]

 I think one of the squadmates could end up betraying you (like...I dunno...Ashley), but I don't think Garrus will since he experienced betrayel.

[Eire Icon]

Jarys wrote...

Why? Garrus has no reason to betray sheppard. You can't just pick a name out of a hat and say "...and, Garrus is the next evil betraying dude!'

Maybe betrayel is the wrong word here, what I mean is more "Turn against" Shepard

I certainly didn't pick Garrus out of a hat, my reasons for Garrus being the prime suspect are below (Bear in mind these are my opinions I'm not representing them as fact)

1. Garrus is essentially a thug, a charasmatic thug (and great character) but a thug none the less. He has has a hot head and believes in justice through force. He's a loose cannon and I believe he could turn against anyone under the right circumstances

2. Jealousy is a powerful emotion, and I can see why Garrus would be jealous of Shepard. He's everything Garrus wants to be, basically a better and more successful version of Garrus

3. Garrus has a problem with authority, always has always will. Shepard is the boss. Garrus always thinks he knows better then others and I can see him having no problem disregarding Shepards orders if he deems it neccessery. "A good Turian follows a bad order even if he knows its a bad order"

Modifié par Eire Icon, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:17 .

[CroGamer002]

Who's Sheppard?

[mango smoothie]

I would like to see a situation from your decisions where a squadmate will fall into a wrex situation, but you can't talk them down. It would be dramtic if done right, and having it be someone like Garrus would be even more dramatic a good friend your forced to kill (Jack Bauer Moment).

[Eire Icon]

Mesina2 wrote...

Who's Sheppard?

Oh... you're one of those people then. Yes its a spelling mistake, move on and get over it

Modifié par Eire Icon, 27 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[Chewin]

Arcian wrote...

Garrus is loyalty personified.

Not obedience, mind you, but loyalty. Though if you sacrifice Palaven, I can only assume he will at least leave you. Though if you were prepared do such a thing, you should've seen his reaction coming from a mile away.

Yup.

And I wouldn't consider him choosing Palaven over Shepard as a betrayal, if it would come to that. Though it depens on the situation.

[Eire Icon]

I would agree that Garrus may well be loyal, but if he views Shepard as being wrong, wreckless etc then going against him may be in Garrus's view be the only/right option

[roy.willemsen]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Indeed he's a surprise, also I read it somewhere that he's gonna be able to walk in ME3, so is it true?

He already walked in ME2?

[seirhart]

garrus will not turn or betray shepard and I don't think the others will. In my opinion I especially think that Liara, Kaiden Mordin, Samara, Miranda will betray or turn against shepard.

[Candidate 88766]

I doubt Garrus would - given his opinion of Sidonis' betrayal and that fact Turians are generally honest.

I also very much doubt it'll be EDI. The whole story is geared towards making AI's look untrustworthy - the Lunar VI, the Citadel AI, the Geth, the Reapers (well, kinda - I know they're not artificial intelligence as they're made up of real minds, but they are very similar) - and sci-fi in general has taught us that AI's are untrustworthy, so surely the better plot twist is that actually EDI doesn't betray you. Like the AI in the film Moon - you expect it to turn malevolent, but it never does and it says a lot about sci-fi that this is more of a plot twist than the AI turning bad.

[mango smoothie]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I doubt Garrus would - given his opinion of Sidonis' betrayal and that fact Turians are generally honest.

I also very much doubt it'll be EDI. The whole story is geared towards making AI's look untrustworthy - the Lunar VI, the Citadel AI, the Geth, the Reapers (well, kinda - I know they're not artificial intelligence as they're made up of real minds, but they are very similar) - and sci-fi in general has taught us that AI's are untrustworthy, so surely the better plot twist is that actually EDI doesn't betray you. Like the AI in the film Moon - you expect it to turn malevolent, but it never does and it says a lot about sci-fi that this is more of a plot twist than the AI turning bad.

That was one of things that made Moon enjoyable to me was that in the begining you thought GERTY was going to be against Sam, but in the end he was his only hope.

[StarcloudSWG]

Joker could always walk. He just said in ME that he had to take it very carefully or the bones would break.

He might have, and probably does, wear braces to reinforce and support his legs, under his pants.

[Candidate 88766]

Arcian wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Like the AI in the film Moon - you expect it to turn malevolent, but it never does and it says a lot about sci-fi that this is more of a plot twist than the AI turning bad.

Ah, if only I had a bro like Gerty...

Ah Gerty. For the whole iflm I was expecting some kind of contrived twist where he would turn evil, but it never came. Such a good film, up there with Sunshine as one of my favourite sci-fi films.

[FlyinElk212]

Mims wrote...

I think it's more likely an important NPC would do the betraying over a squadmate, just because of all the variables.

This. If anything, perhaps a ME3 squaddie would betray Shepard...

...but the devs had the opportunity to have someone betray Shepard in his ME2 dirty dozen. They could've played the Judas card and furthered the Shepard=Jesus analogy. They chose not to, and now since the perma-squad's going to be cut down from that Jesus 12 number, I doubt they'll go ahead and have a betrayer in the squad.

[Candidate 88766]

mango smoothie wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I doubt Garrus would - given his opinion of Sidonis' betrayal and that fact Turians are generally honest.

I also very much doubt it'll be EDI. The whole story is geared towards making AI's look untrustworthy - the Lunar VI, the Citadel AI, the Geth, the Reapers (well, kinda - I know they're not artificial intelligence as they're made up of real minds, but they are very similar) - and sci-fi in general has taught us that AI's are untrustworthy, so surely the better plot twist is that actually EDI doesn't betray you. Like the AI in the film Moon - you expect it to turn malevolent, but it never does and it says a lot about sci-fi that this is more of a plot twist than the AI turning bad.

That was one of things that made Moon enjoyable to me was that in the begining you thought GERTY was going to be against Sam, but in the end he was his only hope.

Thats why I think EDI won't turn against you - sci-fi has really overdone the whole AI turning bad thing, and given how one of ME's main themes is the relationship between organic life and synthetic life, I think Bioware will keep EDI on your side. Its why I also think the Geth will be a massive aid - if, despite everything, you can bring yourself to trust these AI I think Bioware will reward players.

Also, such a good film.

[MartinDN]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Mims wrote...

I think it's more likely an important NPC would do the betraying over a squadmate, just because of all the variables.

This. If anything, perhaps a ME3 squaddie would betray Shepard...

...but the devs had the opportunity to have someone betray Shepard in his ME2 dirty dozen. They could've played the Judas card and furthered the Shepard=Jesus analogy. They chose not to, and now since the perma-squad's going to be cut down from that Jesus 12 number, I doubt they'll go ahead and have a betrayer in the squad.

What about indoctrinated? They took a personal interest in shepard since end of me1/through me2, wouldent you agree indoctrinating one of his squad will enable them to know there plans, AND get to shepard emotionally at the same time? strategical and logical considering they used it to great effect annhilating the protheans.

"feeling of hopelessness"...

Modifié par MartinDN, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:19 .

[Kidd]

I can see a character turning based on random chance or some odd choice somewhere. Like, solve a situation in way X will lead to Ashley turning her gun against you. Doing Y at the same moment will cause Garrus to do the same. Perhaps if you did Z Liara would choose to stop you. Or if you chose B at a completely different point in time, that choice would have priority and make Tali betray you.

Etc etc =)

[FlyinElk212]

MartinDN wrote...

What about indoctrinated? They took a personal interest in shepard since end of me1/through me2, wouldent you agree indoctrinating one of his squad will enable them to know there plans, AND get to shepard emotionally at the same time? strategical and logical considering they used it to great effect annhilating the protheans.

Assuming they can't just indoctrinate Shepard himself (or BLOW HIS SHIP UP), yes, it would make some sense. Having it be one of your squadmates though, who covertly fights against the Reapers with you, only to later turn on you, doesn't. Why wouldn't, as soon as they are indoctrinated, simply attempt to trip him up early on in the game? Why would they let him get close to accomplishing his goal?

I'd also argue that indoctrination isn't really "betrayal". It's more like fighting someone against your own will. I believe a betrayal has to take into account personal choice. Betraying Shepard has to be a conscious decision, otherwise, it's not so much of a betrayal as it is, "DAMN! The Reapers got Garrus! That poor bastard..."

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:21 .

[Graceyn]

Eire Icon wrote...

Jarys wrote...

Why? Garrus has no reason to betray sheppard. You can't just pick a name out of a hat and say "...and, Garrus is the next evil betraying dude!'

Maybe betrayel is the wrong word here, what I mean is more "Turn against" Shepard

I certainly didn't pick Garrus out of a hat, my reasons for Garrus being the prime suspect are below (Bear in mind these are my opinions I'm not representing them as fact)

1. Garrus is essentially a thug, a charasmatic thug (and great character) but a thug none the less. He has has a hot head and believes in justice through force. He's a loose cannon and I believe he could turn against anyone under the right circumstances

2. Jealousy is a powerful emotion, and I can see why Garrus would be jealous of Shepard. He's everything Garrus wants to be, basically a better and more successful version of Garrus

3. Garrus has a problem with authority, always has always will. Shepard is the boss. Garrus always thinks he knows better then others and I can see him having no problem disregarding Shepards orders if he deems it neccessery. "A good Turian follows a bad order even if he knows its a bad order"

To add to #3, I believe that statement is prefaced by Garrus saying he is a "bad Turian" - which further bolsters the argument.

That's actually a fairly persuasive analysis.  Coming in to this topic I didn't think a Garrus betrayal was likely at all because, as others have said, he is very, very loyal to Shepard.  But he is also always struggling against [her] before (so far) bending to [her] will.

I don't think Garrus will betray you for evil/nefarious reasons, but there are other causes of betrayal.  I think you've got his personality nailed, and this is definitely something to think about it.

Modifié par Graceyn, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:34 .

[Deadeye Dunkan]

The only real betrayal I could see is that Legion the whole time was playing Shepard and that Legion and the rest of his Geth were the bad Geth. Idk its possible.

[DaBigDragon]

I'd be surprised if Garrus betrays you, but I think it would be interesting if at least someone close to you did. It would make things interesting.

[ReallyRue]

I imagine Tali might leave Shepard if s/he chooses to side with the geth, or sacrifice quarians or something. Out of all the alien squadmates, she's always seemed like the most patriotic.

[BatmanPWNS]

It would be a nice test. Especially how someone who plays usually paragon would react.

[CptBomBom00]

Joker was not waling properly he was limping, I meant proper walking.