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[DCarter]

Eire Icon wrote...

I've just finished the Garrus Loyalty quest on my most recent play through of ME2. I've always been of the opinion that Shepard will be in some way betrayed by someone close to him  in ME3 (not necessarily on a grand scale to the Reapers, maybe even a betrayal of a more personal nature) and Garrus was always my prime suspect

At the end of the mission Garrus turns to the camera and says to Shepard "What would you do if someone betrayed you Shepard"

- Is this possibly a glimpse into the future, or am I reading much to much into it !

I hope so but even is shep is betrayed i'm sure you will be able to jedi mind trick your way out of a fight. 

Modifié par DCarter, 29 novembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...
Ah, so you're going to do a Kaiser?

Well, not that extreme. 

[King Minos]

Betray me and you won't have a family to go back to.

[Destroy Raiden_]

BW seems to solve all betrayals in one way...shoot to kill. Which I don't like there is no option the only time I've seen one shep was a wuss stopping Miranda and the guy dies anyway? At points its odd para shep keeps stopping people from shooting people like he's a civilian who doesn't like guns yet he's loaded with them....

I think if our friends or associates betray us we need to have some back and forth on the dialogue there to establish why, is there something we can do to make them change their mind, and if the answer is no para shep can have the unique option of toss a flash bomb and run away, neutral shep can give them one more try to resolve things, and ren shep can just kill them like the trash he thinks they are.

The reason I choose run for para is that it give both the player and the ex friend one last chance if the betrayer pursues shep then he can't flee twice now its a surrender or kill the betrayer if surrender is chosen then the betrayer does what he came to do be it kill shep (get a game over) or capture shep (we go to a new place have a new level). This pathway allows the player to really get a grip on what has transpired and will set up their feelings firmly towards their ex friend now all thats left after shep gets out is to choose to kill or imprison them.

I liked how in ME I could give Saren some slack and try with him I felt trying was best for him but not for Benezia I had no reason to try with her if Liara wasn't in my party. I would give Garrus, Tali, Legion, Kelly, Thane, Jacob, Wrex, Ash, Solus, Parasini, Samara and Kasumi slack and try to change their minds on what they're attempting to under take. I would however not give slack to Zaeed, Grunt, Miranda, Kaiden, Shaila, Kolyat, or Feron

[Trekfanboy]

I'm not too concerned about Garrus betraying Shepard but I suspect there will be at least one point in the ME3 story where Garrus "crosses the line" and does something seriously RENEGADE because he thinks it's justified for the greater good ... I feel like that's a storyline which has been building in ME and ME2.

On the other hand, I'm almost certain that one of squad mates will betray you in ME3 if you betrayed them in ME2 ... and I'm talking about your love interest from the original ME. If you had a relationship with someone in ME and then had a relationship with someone else in ME2 then your original love interest from ME will probably betray you at some point.

I don't think the betrayal will cause you to lose the game, but you'll probably lose a squad mate or fail one of the missions where you would have earned an important achievement.

There is bound to be a cost for "screwing around" in ME2.

Modifié par Trekfanboy, 29 novembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[Quyk Sylvyr]

Arcian wrote...


It's be about as great of a plot twist as Meredith having the idol in DAII. Like... left field to the max.

Mehh, that one was foreshadowed heavily in Act 2.  If you ask Bartrand who took the statute, his response was "she glittered like the sun but her heart was ice."

Garrus will not truly betray Shepard for one reason - he's an LI.  The only way would be if Bioware creates some sort of scripting where one of x characters will betray Shepard.

[Unschuld]

I while wouldn't expect Garrus to betray Shepard, when he said that line during his loyalty mission it certainly lit up the --foreshadowing-- bulb in my brain. Yeah, I'd pretty much hedge my bets on that happening now.

Modifié par Unschuld, 30 novembre 2011 - 03:27 .

[rockman0]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

AH **** EDI as HAL 9000, yeah and who's david bowman?

I had just watched 2001 before I played ME2. I was totally expecting EDI to pull a HAL on Shephard. 

[Unschuld]

rockman0 wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

AH **** EDI as HAL 9000, yeah and who's david bowman?

I had just watched 2001 before I played ME2. I was totally expecting EDI to pull a HAL on Shephard. 

Ditto. AI on MY ship? Made with reaper tech?! HNNNGGG!! I was pleasantly surprised when nothing came of that though.

[PauseforEffect]

My paragon would need a damn good reason for that betrayal. Being betrayed by Kenson was one thing, but when she interrupted her attempt to warn the batarians, that was unforgivable. I suppose it depends on who was affected by that betrayal, why it happened and if it can be fixed. But if there's no justifiable reason and they remain a threat, she's going to shoot the traitor and try to salvage the situation.
My renegade wouldn't have the patience for it. She'd more likely shoot their kneecaps out and stake them as husk bait. She has a lot of dead teammates by the way.

[SgtPepper667]

I think Garrus was really upset with how the whole Sidonis thing went down, and he was trying to fix it as best as he knew how. When he finally had his mind set, he asked Shepard to come along with him to help out. I believe Garrus says this if you take the Paragon (I could be mistaken) route and try to convince him not to kill Sidonis. Garrus gets frustrated and asks Shepard what he/she would do if he/she was in Garrus' spot.

I think he said this to get Shepard to see where he was coming from, I don't think there was any foreshadowing to it...but then again, you never know!

[Sethan_1]

My thoughts on liklihood of betrayal and why:

Anderson - Not unless indoctrinated.
Ashley - Possible if misled or indoctrinated.
Doctor Chakwas - Not unless indoctrinated.
EDI - Possible in case of a virus, Cerberus override, or remaining sealed database that EDI is unaware of.
Garrus - Not unless indoctrinated.
Grunt - Possible if indoctrinated or he believes Shepard is no longer worthy.
Hackett - Possible if he believes the best interests of the Alliance are served or if indoctrinated.
Jack - Probable if not loyal.  Unlikely If loyal and not romanced.  If loyal and romanced, not unless indoctrinated.
Jacob - Possible if he believes it is necessary or is indoctrinated.
James Vega - ?
Joker - Not unless indoctrinated.
Kaidan - Possible if misled or indoctrinated.
Kasumi - Possible if not loyal.  Unlikely if loyal unless indoctrinated.
Kelly - Possible (the only time you ever get to see the real Kelly is when she is talking about her experience on the Collector Base - and that is very brief - she may still be loyal to Cerberus).
Legion - Possible if deep cover heretic or if affected by virus.
Liara  - Possible (Liara has become ruthless from ME1 to 2, loves Shepard, but is a little unstable).  Also if indoctrinated.
Miranda - Possible if not loyal.  Also possible if loyal and coerced by TIM (by threatening sister) or if indoctrinated.
Mordin - Possible if Salarian best interests served (Mordin is ruthless and ex-STG).
Morinth - Probable.
Samara - Possible if she believes Shepard is killing innocents without reason or has forced her to violate the code, though the betrayal would not be a backstab but rather a confrontation.
Tali - Possible if she believes she must in order to save the Migrant Fleet, but would probably be an open break with Shepard followed by working against him, rather than a backstab.
TIM - Certain.
Thane - Certain if he believes killing Shepard makes the galaxy a better place, otherwise not unless indoctrinated.
Udina - That would imply he stopped.
Wrex - Possible if the future of the Krogan is at stake, otherwise not unless indoctrinated.
Zaeed - Possible if someone pays him to or if indoctrinated.

Modifié par Sethan_1, 30 novembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[cr3ative_name]

I haven't played the Shadow Broker expansion yet, but based on what happened in ME2 I think Liara's the character most likely to end up betraying Shepard, my Shepard was shocked to find her "threatening to flay people alive" on Illium.

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ I tried to ignore that line from Liara but her becoming Benezia doesn't sit well with me.

[SgtPepper667]

cr3ative_name wrote...

I haven't played the Shadow Broker expansion yet, but based on what happened in ME2 I think Liara's the character most likely to end up betraying Shepard, my Shepard was shocked to find her "threatening to flay people alive" on Illium.

I won't tell you what happens or anything, but Liara's character is a lot better in the DLC. I don't know what her problem is on Illium...haha. She's still different than the first game, but yeah.

[CptData]

cr3ative_name wrote...

I haven't played the Shadow Broker expansion yet, but based on what happened in ME2 I think Liara's the character most likely to end up betraying Shepard, my Shepard was shocked to find her "threatening to flay people alive" on Illium.

Plausible, yes, but not BW. Liara is the staff's fav character and will most likely not used as traitor. However, she fits the role best since she has the power and the resources to betray Shepard. Also we don't know if she didn't mistake one of the artefacts as "Prothean" while it was a Reaper artefact. She uses to have some of that stuff in her apartment. Even if that artefact is weak, Liara was exposed long enough to get indoctrinated.

However, I doubt this will happen in ME3. Liara has a too big fanbase and BW doesn't want to mess things up with them. Understandable. Then again, I'm sure Kaidan & Ashley have their respective fanbase as well, or any other character of the series. And not all of them got what they want or hoped for.

[Patius Mehaffius]

CptData wrote...

cr3ative_name wrote...

Then again, I'm sure Kaidan & Ashley have their respective fanbase as well, or any other character of the series.

You're right about everyone having a fanbase, but the VI characters also seem to have a part of the fanbase that just absolutely hates them. Especially Ashley.

To be honest, the three I see not betraying Shep are Garrus, Liara, and Legion. The first two do to fan like, the third because the geth are mentally similar to a Reaper (one body, thousands upon thousands of minds. In theory, the Geth want to create a reaper shell for themselves, but without the cheap and easy way of farming organics to do it. (they want to find their own path.)

Modifié par Patius Mehaffius, 30 novembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[Cheesy Blue]

Patius Mehaffius wrote...

CptData wrote...

cr3ative_name wrote...

Then again, I'm sure Kaidan & Ashley have their respective fanbase as well, or any other character of the series.

You're right about everyone having a fanbase, but the VI characters also seem to have a part of the fanbase that just absolutely hates them. Especially Ashley.

To be honest, the three I see not betraying Shep are Garrus, Liara, and Legion. The first two do to fan like, the third because the geth are mentally similar to a Reaper (one body, thousands upon thousands of minds. In theory, the Geth want to create a reaper shell for themselves, but without the cheap and easy way of farming organics to do it. (they want to find their own path.)

I see no squadmateds as of right now betraying Shepard. Well I guess if you were all rengegade n stuff Samara might not like that but as of right now I don't see any squadmate betraying Shepdog.

[mybudgee]

There is no way anyone but maybe Joker or Miranda would go against Shep. Least of all Vakarian

[Cheesy Blue]

mybudgee wrote...

There is no way anyone but maybe Joker or Miranda would go against Shep. Least of all Vakarian

lolwut? Joker?

[SgtPepper667]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

There is no way anyone but maybe Joker or Miranda would go against Shep. Least of all Vakarian

lolwut? Joker?

I'm also curious...why Joker? Haha. He was the first one to come back to Shepard after he/she got spaced. Besides, Shepard died to protect Joker, I seriously doubt he would betray him/her.