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[Silent X]

This is a troubling question. I wondered, too, if Garrus's question was foreshadowing, but I've never taken it to mean that Garrus himself is likely to betray Shepard--more just that someone might betray Shepard at some point down the line.

As to the general likelihood, this leads me to ponder other BioWare games. Let's see:

Neverwinter Nights: Major NPC betrayal. I've never actually finished a playthrough of NWN, so I'm not entirely sure how this turns out.

Knights of the Old Republic: Party member betrayal. Possibly more than one, depending on player decisions, but one is an absolute given. We are given the choice whether to kill or spare the plot-required traitor.

Jade Empire: Major NPC betrayal. Can be spared, although the result seems rather undesirable (to me at least). Other NPCs may turn against you and have to be coerced (not sure how that ultimately turns out).

Dragon Age Origins: Major NPC betrayal early on. Can be killed or spared. Party members may turn against PC, depending on circumstances, and be killed.

Dragon Age 2: Oh, Maker, the pain. That one really hurt.

Considering these. . . I now have the feeling that betrayal is inevitable in Mass Effect 3. I don't know who, when, why, or how, but I'm sensing a trend. How would my Shepard react? It would depend a lot on the circumstances. But if it's anyone she cares about at all, she'd probably try to find out why, talk them down, and spare them if at all possible. As others have said, if indoctrination is the culprit, all bets are off.

Now I'm really worried.

[jackyboy666]

If Garrus went bad, I would actually have to kill myself. That would be immensly heart breaking

[Lotion Soronarr]

I'd far rather fight against Lirana than against TIM.

BioWare has failed me.

[Stardusk78]

Garrus' betrayal? Uhm, no, fail.

[GMagnum]

wdf u gon betray u 4 da reaper gon kill ever1 dat be da dumbest mov cuz den dat mean he want every1 2 die tbh

[knightnblu]

Sethan_1 wrote...

My thoughts on liklihood of betrayal and why:

Anderson - Not unless indoctrinated.
Ashley - Possible if misled or indoctrinated.
Doctor Chakwas - Not unless indoctrinated.
EDI - Possible in case of a virus, Cerberus override, or remaining sealed database that EDI is unaware of.
Garrus - Not unless indoctrinated.
Grunt - Possible if indoctrinated or he believes Shepard is no longer worthy.
Hackett - Possible if he believes the best interests of the Alliance are served or if indoctrinated.
Jack - Probable if not loyal.  Unlikely If loyal and not romanced.  If loyal and romanced, not unless indoctrinated.
Jacob - Possible if he believes it is necessary or is indoctrinated.
James Vega - ?
Joker - Not unless indoctrinated.
Kaidan - Possible if misled or indoctrinated.
Kasumi - Possible if not loyal.  Unlikely if loyal unless indoctrinated.
Kelly - Possible (the only time you ever get to see the real Kelly is when she is talking about her experience on the Collector Base - and that is very brief - she may still be loyal to Cerberus).
Legion - Possible if deep cover heretic or if affected by virus.
Liara  - Possible (Liara has become ruthless from ME1 to 2, loves Shepard, but is a little unstable).  Also if indoctrinated.
Miranda - Possible if not loyal.  Also possible if loyal and coerced by TIM (by threatening sister) or if indoctrinated.
Mordin - Possible if Salarian best interests served (Mordin is ruthless and ex-STG).
Morinth - Probable.
Samara - Possible if she believes Shepard is killing innocents without reason or has forced her to violate the code, though the betrayal would not be a backstab but rather a confrontation.
Tali - Possible if she believes she must in order to save the Migrant Fleet, but would probably be an open break with Shepard followed by working against him, rather than a backstab.
TIM - Certain.
Thane - Certain if he believes killing Shepard makes the galaxy a better place, otherwise not unless indoctrinated.
Udina - That would imply he stopped.
Wrex - Possible if the future of the Krogan is at stake, otherwise not unless indoctrinated.
Zaeed - Possible if someone pays him to or if indoctrinated.

The VS has already shown that their loyalty is questionable, particularly if they were your LI. Who is to say that they won't let you down at a critical moment again? Even after Horizon, many people still trust them implicitly. If there is betrayal in the cards for Shepard in ME3, look for it there.

[Ticktank]

GMagnum wrote...

wdf u gon betray u 4 da reaper gon kill ever1 dat be da dumbest mov cuz den dat mean he want every1 2 die tbh

The children are not our future.

[GMagnum]

/tear tbh

[Stardusk78]

GMagnum wrote...

/tear tbh

dat **** be wack ass yo aint no garrus bertray nobody cause he got da beak and dat beak be speakn truf ta powa

[GMagnum]

aye my boi stardusk78 b speakn da truth tbh

[alex90c]

tbh, tbh.

[Ravensword]

GMagnum wrote...

aye my boi stardusk78 b speakn da truth tbh

yeah garrus n shepard bros 4 life tbh

[GMagnum]

i remebr wen shep n garrus wus on da normandy n garrus went 2 get sumthin 2 eat n da mess sergent tought garrus wus a giant azz cockroach so he pul out da king size roach spray n den he spray n garrus face n it got n hi eye n den he screm hella loud n shep cme dwn n rinse his eye out 4 him dat tru friend tbh

[Stardusk78]

GMagnum wrote...

i remebr wen shep n garrus wus on da normandy n garrus went 2 get sumthin 2 eat n da mess sergent tought garrus wus a giant azz cockroach so he pul out da king size roach spray n den he spray n garrus face n it got n hi eye n den he screm hella loud n shep cme dwn n rinse his eye out 4 him dat tru friend tbh

Word ta da bird, bird be dat Garrus

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arcian wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I'd far rather fight against Lirana than against TIM.

BioWare has failed me.

Dude, *spoiler* you can kill Liara with your own hands and completely wipe her home planet from the face of the galaxy if you so desire *spoiler end*. Siding with TIM is always impossible because TIM is a villain.

And that's why BioWare has failed me.

[someone else]

Liara aka WitchQueen of Haglaz

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And that's why BioWare has failed me.

Unreasonably high expectations are unreasonably high.

Stupid demands are stupid too.

EDIT: And for the love of God, learn how to erase the spoilers.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 novembre 2011 - 02:31 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Arcian wrote...
Spoilers

Really? Would you be so kind to PM me the whole scene?

[Stardusk78]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And that's why BioWare has failed me.

Unreasonably high expectations are unreasonably high.

Stupid demands are stupid too.

EDIT: And for the love of God, learn how to erase the spoilers.

You mean it's a serious spoiler?

[Stardusk78]

Is that spoiler for real?

[cr3ative_name]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I'd far rather fight against Lirana than against TIM.

BioWare has failed me.

 TIM just oozes unscrupulousness, somehow he just never felt like someone to trust to me while I was playing ME2.

jackyboy666 wrote...
If Garrus went bad, I would actually have to kill myself. That would be immensly heart breaking

Agree. Thankfully I don't see anyway he will. It's just terribly out of character - I know, I know, Bioware, EA, money spinning etc etc but even then an "evil" Garrus is taking it too far imo.

Modifié par cr3ative_name, 30 novembre 2011 - 08:28 .

[CerberusWarrior]

Anderson already betrayed Shepard with the spying on him in ME 2 . but of course Bioware has a biotic protection field around anderson so Shepard is mute puppet and can not deal with him

[Someone With Mass]

You call that a betrayal? How about that little Collector trap TIM sent Shepard in that could've very well killed them all without even attempting to mention anything about it to Shepard?

At least Anderson had the balls to admit that he was doing some spy work.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 novembre 2011 - 10:42 .