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[CerberusWarrior]

Oh please you alliance fan bot yeah but at least TIM had a reason for it . Anderson had no reason at all . you may not like TIM 's reason but sometimes things have to be done to get info

[Someone With Mass]

Or so you assume.

[DiebytheSword]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Oh please you alliance fan bot yeah but at least TIM had a reason for it . Anderson had no reason at all . you may not like TIM 's reason but sometimes things have to be done to get info

Throwing stones from glass houses are we?  Look at you, you practically wear a Ceberus cheerleader outfit like Miranda.

Anderson had plenty of reason to spy on Shep, Shep was, by all reports leaked by TIM, back and working for Ceberus, which Anderson obviously did not like.

And before you call me an alliance fanbot, know that I think that every government and organization in the ME universe has unacceptable skeletons in their closet.

[Ryzaki]

My Shep would shoot them in the face. Unless it's Legion, Joker or Garrus. Then he'd go into a whole "why?!?" tangent.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 novembre 2011 - 11:12 .

[Eclipse_9990]

It would be pretty interesting if Joker was a betrayer. Not Tali or Garrus though, because that would be bad. 

As for what I would do. Part of me would want to know why they did it, but at the same time it wouldn't be my first priority to go after them, and I wouldn't care about getting revenge. Most likely I'd end up forgetting about them .

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 01 décembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[GHNR]

Well in response to the question Garrus poses....

Renegade Shepard:
Blow that bastard up with a cannon.

Paragon Shepard:
Go onto the extranet and call that ****er a troll.

[rockman0]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Oh please you alliance fan bot yeah but at least TIM had a reason for it . Anderson had no reason at all . you may not like TIM 's reason but sometimes things have to be done to get info

Let's see...someone you trusted (and is supposed to be dead) is suddenly working for a hate group. I don't know, that's a pretty good reason to spy on that person, especially when you consider things such as indoctrination and facial reconstruction exists.

If Morinth is in the next game (depending on what happened with Samara's Loyalty mission), I can imagine her betraying Shephard. 

I'm certain TIM is going to betray Shephard. that look he makes if you keep the Collector base just reeks of "I'm going to betray you. Rarrr!" There's also the fact that he was constantly withholding information.

Modifié par rockman0, 01 décembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[Sohe]

I'm guessing Ashley or Kaiden will probably sell Shepard out at some point in the game, that or not agree with him/her on something, and want to do it themselves.

[cr3ative_name]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

It would be pretty interesting if Joker was a betrayer. Not Tali or Garrus though, because that would be bad. 

As for what I would do. Part of me would want to know why they did it, but at the same time it wouldn't be my first priority to go after them, and I wouldn't care about getting revenge. Most likely I'd end up forgetting about them .

I think Joker is too much of a peripheral character for Bioware to make him a betrayer.

[Destroy Raiden_]

What was Joker spending all those years acting as cripple? When we played him in 2 was that him acting to have a condition? Is he really a cyborg or something? That would be bad writing they'd have tons to explain and all it would look like would be another Liara with him being all fine, kicking shep's ass, and acting all smug.

Miranda is the biggest for me when it comes to potentials for double agents. I don't take her quitting as a sign of she's changed more of she's doing what she needs to do to 1. keep an eye on shep and 2. turn him in if the reaper tech, reapers, or the alliance begin to turn shep towards their causes. She has a career of doing undercover missions her "quitting" could just be the start of a new one.

Zaeed and Kasumi for money

Legion because he lied and you blowing up that base actually helped the heretics (or if you spared them they rewrote the good geth to their side)

Grunt because he said he would after the reapers are defeated he should keep his word and fight shep. Also he'd be a situational betrayer if you kill the krogan by not helping them and sacrificing


Situational betrayals (these guys only become betrayers if curtain conditions are met)

Mordin a double agent for the stg he isn't retired and if shep hands Serkesh to the reapers or if things conflict with stg goals he'll intervene

Tali if you A) gave her data to the admirals + didnt give her the data in ME and causes a war with the geth she'll betray you. If you get her exiled in 2 + make her people go to war she'll betray you. If you C) are ren 90% of the time to her and you do A or B situations then she'll also betray you. Basically if you keep screwing up her life she'll get so unstable she'll want to end yours.

Liara if you A) killed her mom and was cold about it aka picking all the ren options (I did this fyi) don't admonish her on the flay thing, and encourage her to take the SB job she'll become so unraveled over 3 she'll join the reapers and betray you. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Jack she's an opportunist so if an opportunity is created where she can take your ship she will.

[Labrev]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Jack she's an opportunist so if an opportunity is created where she can take your ship she will.

No she's not.

[MysticSpace]

therussianviking wrote...

I feel like it would be Zaeed, Morinth, Grunt, or Jack. I feel like they are the only ones with enough balls to try it.

Grunt would never stab you in the back, in the face yeah but never in the back.  Zaeed or Morinth? Is it really a betrayal if a merc who's paid to join you and an asari serial killer who gets pleasure from killing/melding kill you?  Hell, I'd be more surprised if they didn't.

[PsychoWARD23]

If Garrus betrays Shep, BW might as well just punch me in the gut now.


And if it's a "Turning on you because his race got destroyed by you" or something, that shouldn't be an issue for me, as I love me some turian.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Jack she's an opportunist so if an opportunity is created where she can take your ship she will.

No she's not.

Sure she is the only way she'll work with you is if she can get her files on Cerberus. The opportunity to get back at Cerberus. And she didn't survive as long as she has being polite. If its in her best interest to screw over shep to get something else she wants she'll do it.  Not to mention she's already hinted that she really wants your ship she only fained the we'll do piracy together so shep didn't do anything too rash she knew she pushed him/her a bit there she was testing the waters she didn't suggest that to be bffs with you.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 09 décembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Liara, Joker, Garrus and Tali are not betraying you, period!

[LPPrince]

I don't know about betrayal per se, but leaving the team? That would be cool.

Make too many paragon decisions and someone calls you out on it, claiming you're weak or you're not strong enough to make the tough decisions. You're gonna have to convince them otherwise or they're gone.

Make too many renegade decisions and someone ELSE calls you out on it, claiming you think you're above the law, the law in question being "human rights" but for everyone. Sapient rights? Whatever, and that you're too cruel, you don't see the need for kindness. You're gonna have to convince them otherwise or they're gone.

Make too many decisions that you end up Paragade and someone ELSE calls you out on it, claiming you're too chaotic. You're too random, too hard to judge. Sometimes you're too kind, sometimes too cruel, but no one can trust you to do anything specific. You're gonna have to convince them otherwise, or guess what- they're gone.

Something like that would be cool as hell.

[ODST 5723]

I think that Garrus betraying Shepard would depend strongly on how Shepard interacted with him. In ME1 you could shift him towards paragon or renegade based on certain conversations and the outcome of the personal quest with "Dr. Heart."

From the beginning, he's presented as a rebel. Quick to action and with little patience. Shepard can influence him to either act on his gut when the ends justify the means or to have more respect for the law. This leads to him either return to C-Sec or apply for the Spectres. In both cases, frustration with red tape and authority lead him to Omega where he basically creates a band of mercs to fight fire with fire.

In the end he's betrayed and regardless of how you interacted with him in ME1, he's bent on vengeance... not justice. In ME2 you can then push him again towards paragon or renegade. It's even more interesting if you go one way in ME1 and ME2. That leaves a ME3 Garrus with some seriously mixed signals.

Since Garrus seems, by default, to have a bit of Renegade streak, I would expect him to clash with a Paragon Shepard in a big way in ME3. I could also see him siding against a Renegade if he had been pushed towards justice previously and the means being a bit extreme for his tastes.

That's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to seeing how things play out with him in ME3. They've got some significant possiblity for him to be the most loyal squaddie out there, or to become a truly bitter enemy if he feels that Shepard has betrayed him since the loyalty dynamic works both ways in a real relationship.

[Unschuld]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Jack she's an opportunist so if an opportunity is created where she can take your ship she will.

No she's not.

Everything Jack ever said gave the impression of "me first" survival instincts, and her comments about how she could easily rob people on Illium confirms her opportunistic mindset. That's not to say she's evil, per se, but a severely misguided and dangerous individual largely in part due to factors in her past. She might have the ability to change, but her attitude and progressive neural degeneration gives me no desire to be her psychologist/counselor. Eventually, she should be institutionalized. Sadly.

ODST 5723 wrote...


That's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to seeing how things play out with him in ME3. They've got some significant possiblity for him to be the most loyal squaddie out there, or to become a truly bitter enemy if he feels that Shepard has betrayed him since the loyalty dynamic works both ways in a real relationship.

Garrus' "flip-flops" between ME1&2 can be explained (if you taught him paragon ways in ME1) by relapses. When you attempt to change a major aspect of your character, it's almost inevitable to have at least a few times where you return to your original ways when exposed to certain circumstances. Think of it as quitting cigarettes, as an oversimplified analogy. Willpower and the desire to change will eventually push you in the right direction, if that is what you truly want.

Garrus betraying you? Possible, but not likely.

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 décembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[SaphirePhoneix08]

then he'd kick ass like this

[Destroy Raiden_]

ODST 5723 wrote...

I think that Garrus betraying Shepard would depend strongly on how Shepard interacted with him. In ME1 you could shift him towards paragon or renegade based on certain conversations and the outcome of the personal quest with "Dr. Heart."

From the beginning, he's presented as a rebel. Quick to action and with little patience. Shepard can influence him to either act on his gut when the ends justify the means or to have more respect for the law. This leads to him either return to C-Sec or apply for the Spectres. In both cases, frustration with red tape and authority lead him to Omega where he basically creates a band of mercs to fight fire with fire.

In the end he's betrayed and regardless of how you interacted with him in ME1, he's bent on vengeance... not justice. In ME2 you can then push him again towards paragon or renegade. It's even more interesting if you go one way in ME1 and ME2. That leaves a ME3 Garrus with some seriously mixed signals.

Since Garrus seems, by default, to have a bit of Renegade streak, I would expect him to clash with a Paragon Shepard in a big way in ME3. I could also see him siding against a Renegade if he had been pushed towards justice previously and the means being a bit extreme for his tastes.

That's one of the reasons I'm really looking forward to seeing how things play out with him in ME3. They've got some significant possibility for him to be the most loyal squaddie out there, or to become a truly bitter enemy if he feels that Shepard has betrayed him since the loyalty dynamic works both ways in a real relationship.

I kind of like this idea ren characters like Zaeed, Jack, and Grunt would call shep out on being too soft it make little since to Jack staying with shep after she got that data she could've ran anytime but them calling him out sometimes woudl've worked Grunt gets mad at ren shep for keeping the base he really wanted the explosion. I think the developers should look at the crewmen and look at their history to figure out if npc will praise or admonish or leave you at the next port station if you push them too far.

For instance ren shep is a total jerk to Tali he's always yelling at her which over time will strain their relationship you'll hear it in her voice and she'll scoff at being given ren orders on missions. You side with the geth always she'll start questioning and accusing you, you make her people go to war and she begins to hate you and leaves , you let Rannoch (which those Quarians left alive settle anyway) fall to the reapers she'll come back later in game to kill you. 

Characters like Tali, Jacob, and Samara will too question, challenge, and threaten to and eventually leave ren sheps if they keep making decisions that they do not agree with. 

For instance Samara won't stand for mass slaughter of another Batarian colony and she'll decide to kill you because her code says so.  

[CARL_DF90]

One word: indoctrination. That would potentially explain away almost ANY betrayal made against Shep because really no one who has ever had his back has any real reason to betray the good ol' Commander.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Yeah but that would be so lame there is also the whole oppertunity thing. The reapers have to have the oppertunity to nab whomever and convert them which is a week plus depending on how strong willed you are by then Shep and company would've assumed so and so was corrupted. The only ones who they've had access to so far is Shep and VS.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

It won't be Garrus...

why?

Mac wrote him.