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[Someone With Mass]

FDrage wrote...
Probably haven't however an entirly new studio has to be payed for by something. If it isn't partly funded by an already existing pot (aka SP game budget) it needs to pay for itself to be viable, aka all the resources put into MP would need to be paid for by increased sales to cover the additional costs of the MP team.

I don't think their Montreal studio is new at all. Probably has its own budget and tools too.

[sympathyforsaren]

Phaedon wrote...

sympathyforsaren wrote...
Ah yes....and this is the other phenomenon I pointed out earlier....the same people who worship BioWare

Seeing as it is generally not considered a good thing to argue with deities, and as many people know, I have openly criticized two BioWare employees (Which I regret, they are just people trying to do their jobs), I'd say that I am, according to you, about to receive a sacred thunderbolt to the buttocks.

and always post on BSN high-fiving each other

This is indeed a great compliment to be recieving from the masters of the ancient art of circlejerking.

and resorting to immature insults that is actually trolling but mods would never get the likes of Phaedon in trouble (or simply held accountable at a fair and equitable standard compared to others) thinking that because they post in here all of the time they are the majority and speak consensus for everybody in existence.

Well, while on the one hand, it is very intriguing to be accused of such stuff from the guy, who when called out on his repeated attacks on shooter fans replied "Or I can do whatever the f*ck I want, how does that sound?" (with impunity, at that), I do have to remind you that, I hold the record of "locked threads in a row without trolling, which happens to be 4, more than Smuddy's in fact.

It is a very honourable distinction, and I am very disappointed at how much it ruffles your feathers. 

Multiplayer looking mighty tacky there, Phaedon, unless these sources you deem as viable for other confirmed content is all of a sudden moot.

Some of these sources, including IGN, share our direct opinion, with an attempt to be unbiased for journalistic reasons. But I'm not crying....I'm giving a wait and see approach and have ME3's best interests in mind. I also 'uninvested' money in the game and am waiting.

Your "direct opinion" is bollocks until you play the demo in January, right now, it is diabetes-inducing tears and further lovely unbased generalizations.

BG also had co-op, but of course, no! That's different.
Or maybe BG was a GoW-inspired third person shooter? Hmm, I don't know which sounds less silly, to be honest.


I would gladly post some "sources" that you might like, but the possibility of being reported by 5 to 6 different people on the grounds of "personal attack" is not something I am willing to risk over a typical post of yours. 

It's obvious more than ever that multiplayer, of course, doesn't belong in ME3. Unless you want to complain to every source that belittled it and basically said folks like myself have a legitimate gripe.

No, folks like you don't have a legitimate gripe at all. You have the logic of a beheaded chicken.
You haven't played the co-op mode, and even if you dislike it, I assumed that you weren't interested in it enough to care? Which definitely allows you just to ignore it completely.

The reviewers had reportedly 10 minutes or so to check the co-op and their impressions are quite mixed overall (Compare Game Informer to IGN, etc). What remains is to play the demo on January, or wait until March for the impressions of the same journalists after several hours of gameplay, on the final product.

Co-op doesn't belong to ME3?
You mean, co-op isn't necessary in ME3, surely, because that other statement is utterly retarded. While unecessary by itself, and although I would have much preferred an offline "Terrorist Hunt" of sorts, it definitely provides a couple of advantages. For one, I'll be able to play this awesome game with friends, or even fellow forumites, and it also contributes to providing the real scale of the war. Unlike, the major Eden Prime War conflict and ME1, which handled it more poorely than a tightwadish anthropomorphic duck who wears a top hat. 

Your rant here was a convoluted mass of ad hominems with a distinct disconnect with reality. Trying to assert BG has connections with third person shooting mechanics is lunacy.

As for thinking opinions are "retarded", try growing up a little bit.

Would love to see your sources, though. I love analyzing counterarguments and keeping an open mind.

[Merchant2006]

Phaedon and Sympathy, can you take your **** hissy fit argument to another thread, if you wish to discuss this in a private dissing conversation then be my guest but don't get this thread embroiled in your pointless arguments with each other. Be my guest, tear each other to shreds I say!

Just not here.

And please, stop being soverbose. I want this thread to stay open but the number of times I've seen a thread closed because of two individuals sizing each other up... well I've lost count. Thanks. Forgive my bitterness, there's a different between me being angry and me not wanting to see something as I don't give a f***.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:51 .

[C9316]

Yep, these threads always devolve into RPG Purists vs Not RPG Purists hissy fits. We ought to have a thread made just so these types of people can argue their heads off.

[Geth_Prime]

@Merchant2006 I applaud you, I hate this crap too.

[Blaze Warlord]

so...can I be a Quarian?

[matt-bassist]

i doubt anyone would bash the MP if it turns out to be good, but to say its anything other than a desperate attempt to attract the multiplayer crowd would be a lie. No one doubts bioware's ability, but EA's influence here is very evident.

[Walker White]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

Your rant here was a convoluted mass of ad hominems with a distinct disconnect with reality.

I don't really want to get into this debate.  However,

<pedant>
If someone makes accusations about your argument style and/or motives, that does not automatically make it an ad hominem.  Indeed, false accusations of ad hominem have been one of the most perniscious problems on the internet. If a person makes arguments whose premises are based on matters of authority then it is logically valid to question their motives (provided they are justified with evidence), and it is not an ad hominem fallacy.

There is also the issue of whether a person is arguing in good faith.  For example, if a person makes the same argument over and over, without regard to valid rebutals -- in the hope of wearing the other person down -- then that is arguing in bad faith. It is legitimate to accuse another person of arguing in bad faith, and evidence of this fact is also not an ad hominem.
</pedant>

I now return you to your regularly scheduled debate.

[Someone With Mass]

It doesn't really matter how many people complain, because I really doubt they're going to cancel a feature they've been working on for a long time.

[siarheicka]

Great work on collecting all the articles!
I wish there was a video of MP gameplay though.
One video is worth a thousand words....

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...
It's weird because whoever wrote the article said something like "MP caps at level 20 just like the single player". 

No the SP's cap is 30. If it's imported, then it's 60.

[Il Divo]

Walker White wrote...

I don't really want to get into this debate.  However,

<pedant>
If someone makes accusations about your argument style and/or motives, that does not automatically make it an ad hominem.  Indeed, false accusations of ad hominem have been one of the most perniscious problems on the internet. If a person makes arguments whose premises are based on matters of authority then it is logically valid to question their motives (provided they are justified with evidence), and it is not an ad hominem fallacy.

There is also the issue of whether a person is arguing in good faith.  For example, if a person makes the same argument over and over, without regard to valid rebutals -- in the hope of wearing the other person down -- then that is arguing in bad faith. It is legitimate to accuse another person of arguing in bad faith, and evidence of this fact is also not an ad hominem.
</pedant>

I now return you to your regularly scheduled debate.

^ Very smart human here.

[Phaedon]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Phaedon and Sympathy, can you take your **** hissy fit argument to another thread, if you wish to discuss this in a private dissing conversation then be my guest but don't get this thread embroiled in your pointless arguments with each other. Be my guest, tear each other to shreds I say!

Just not here.

And please, stop being soverbose. I want this thread to stay open but the number of times I've seen a thread closed because of two individuals sizing each other up... well I've lost count. Thanks. Forgive my bitterness, there's a different between me being angry and me not wanting to see something as I don't give a f***.

I'll definitely stop if it annoys you or Isaac, purely because you are of the few people I respect in this sh*thole. Not because I find it okay for the regular idiots to post their "Arr Pee Gee" crap with impunity.

Though I am by no means apologizing for my initial reply. I will by all means fend for myself, if mods decide to ignore moderating threads entirely.

Modifié par Phaedon, 28 octobre 2011 - 07:02 .

[DarthSliver]

Blaze Warlord wrote...

so...can I be a Quarian?

Well Id like to be a Geth, but not just any Geth a female Geth jk. Come on you cant tell me the Geth havent tried the Gender thing out yet.  

But all in seriousness I wanna be a Geth, their special power could be respawning  or something like that. But respawning is the only thing i could think for the Geth lol.  I also wanna be an Asari, always wannna to be a blue alien.


As for the reviews, it sounds as if MP will bring the overall ME3 score down. 

[Phaedon]

jreezy wrote...
Calm down sir! I may be a regular but I consider myself to not be one these "idiots" you speak of.

Regular Idiots =/= Regulars are idiots

Some of the people =/= Only Isaac and Merchant

I do in fact, respect you. But this is getting off-topic now.

[shepskisaac]

Phaedon wrote...

Some of the people =/= Only Isaac and Merchant

What about me? I didn't read the arguing posts in the last few pages so I have no idea what's this about

[G0ldmember]

Gametralers.com added their Multiplayer Interview with Aaryn Flynn (Never heard of Aaryn Flynn tbh, but then again, I only follow the members that have twitter)

Play (3:04)

Modifié par G0ldmember, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:29 .

[JG The Gamer]

Ahh well, they got 4 months or so to fix it. Best to know now that there's issues with it before the demo itself is even released.

[G0ldmember]

..I just had a horrible thought...

What if the game will be delayed, to fix the MP?

Nah...they wouldnt do that, right?

Modifié par G0ldmember, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:53 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Looks like Pinnacle Station.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Nashiktal wrote...

What if we don't want to mod the game? What if we can't?

I seriously doubt you will be able to mod the game in multiplayer.  The MP games I know of (including the ones I worked on) put a lot of effort into detecting "mods."   Obviously they were more concerned about PvP, but even with PvE, game companies don't want to bother with people hacking their games and possibly breaking their servers.