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[shepskisaac]

Arcian wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Oh yeah.

F*ck Activision and their overpriced maps that should have been free.

Be mad at gamers who buy these map packs at that price. Activision wouldn't raise the price all the way up to this point if it wasn't for 'yes my parents will buy everything!' fanboys.

Fixed that for you.

It's a myth. It's the adult fanboys that spend the most.

[Ghost-621]

IsaacShep wrote...

Arcian wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Oh yeah.

F*ck Activision and their overpriced maps that should have been free.

Be mad at gamers who buy these map packs at that price. Activision wouldn't raise the price all the way up to this point if it wasn't for 'yes my parents will buy everything!' fanboys.

Fixed that for you.

It's a myth. It's the adult fanboys that spend the most.

Fanboys=Bad. Regardless of age.

Fans= Good. That's what bioware pissed all over.

EDIT: It's not like I blame you entirely, Bioware, I know EA had their hands all over you, and still does.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[Beerfish]

Forsythia wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'd say the are three reasons that MP has been added to ME3

- Appeal to multiplay crowd and get a few more sales.
- DLC bridge with extra mp maps and such.
- A bit of a test case to see how it does and how people like it and or react to it. If it is very favorable then ME4 and beyond might be multiplayer based.

As long as the single player ME3 is good I have no problem with any of the things I've listed above.

I'd say number one is the only reason multiplayer has been added. Most of their fans, mostly on BSN, but also on other forums, haven't been asking for multiplayer at all, don't let BioWare's statements fool you. They want Call of Duty sales figures, and they think that adding this lackluster multiplayer mode will make sure of that.

Well, guess what, BioWare, you are not going to win over the CoD crowd with this. Even if it were a top notch mode, those people only care for one game a year.

I know BioWare's a company out there to make money, they all are, it's not charity. But they chose the easy way out, by adding one of the most simple multiplayer modes of this generation, and hoping that this is what will bring over the CoD crowd.

Take the blinders off for a moment and put your logical hat on. 

[slimgrin]

Beerfish wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'd say the are three reasons that MP has been added to ME3

- Appeal to multiplay crowd and get a few more sales.
- DLC bridge with extra mp maps and such.
- A bit of a test case to see how it does and how people like it and or react to it. If it is very favorable then ME4 and beyond might be multiplayer based.

As long as the single player ME3 is good I have no problem with any of the things I've listed above.

I'd say number one is the only reason multiplayer has been added. Most of their fans, mostly on BSN, but also on other forums, haven't been asking for multiplayer at all, don't let BioWare's statements fool you. They want Call of Duty sales figures, and they think that adding this lackluster multiplayer mode will make sure of that.

Well, guess what, BioWare, you are not going to win over the CoD crowd with this. Even if it were a top notch mode, those people only care for one game a year.

I know BioWare's a company out there to make money, they all are, it's not charity. But they chose the easy way out, by adding one of the most simple multiplayer modes of this generation, and hoping that this is what will bring over the CoD crowd.

Take the blinders off for a moment and put your logical hat on. 

*puts logical hat on*

Yeah, they want the COD crowd. Been saying it for months now.

[Someone With Mass]

Ah, yes. Because the CoD crowd really gives a damn about Mass Effect.

[Beerfish]

slimgrin wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

I'd say the are three reasons that MP has been added to ME3

- Appeal to multiplay crowd and get a few more sales.
- DLC bridge with extra mp maps and such.
- A bit of a test case to see how it does and how people like it and or react to it. If it is very favorable then ME4 and beyond might be multiplayer based.

As long as the single player ME3 is good I have no problem with any of the things I've listed above.

I'd say number one is the only reason multiplayer has been added. Most of their fans, mostly on BSN, but also on other forums, haven't been asking for multiplayer at all, don't let BioWare's statements fool you. They want Call of Duty sales figures, and they think that adding this lackluster multiplayer mode will make sure of that.

Well, guess what, BioWare, you are not going to win over the CoD crowd with this. Even if it were a top notch mode, those people only care for one game a year.

I know BioWare's a company out there to make money, they all are, it's not charity. But they chose the easy way out, by adding one of the most simple multiplayer modes of this generation, and hoping that this is what will bring over the CoD crowd.

Take the blinders off for a moment and put your logical hat on. 

*puts logical hat on*

Yeah, they want the COD crowd. Been saying it for months now.

And you too think that is the one and only reason the put it in?  You are saying that there will be no multiplay dlc?  You are saying that it has nothing to do with a possible full multiplayer game after me3?  Interesting.

[spirosz]

Most of you do realize that Bioware isn't going to gain a lot of the COD crowd because this is just a CO-OP experience, with no competitive multiplayer. People who enjoy those games are generally looking for that competitive feel, which Mass Effect doesn't have (and shouldn't IMO). Plus, horde mode doesn't necessarily advertise well with that type of gamer.

I'm speaking on behalf of myself, since I used to play a lot of competitive online games (counter strike era; 1.6, source) and from my point of view, this feature is more for people who already enjoy Mass Effect, but would of wanted to have a way of playing this game with their friends and now they do. Sure, it doesn't sound good to a lot of us who are only looking for a SP experience, but I'm open to it because it sounds interesting and I like the concept of it. In a way, gaining another perspective on the whole galactic war because this isn't just Shepard's life at stake.

Modifié par spiros9110, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:01 .

[Homebound]

6 playable races:
Salarian
Human
Asari
Turian
Krogan
Drell

just from what ive put together.

[JerkyJohnny14]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ah, yes. Because the CoD crowd really gives a damn about Mass Effect.

Ah yes, "COD Crowd". We have dismissed those claims.

[whywhywhywhy]

This multiplayer mode is really about used game sales or rather stopping them. They added a multiplayer mode that comes with the online multiplayer pass as a form of DRM. This is why they were so bold to tie it MP into the single player and I have a feeling the MP is going to play a bigger role in the SP then previously mentioned. (aside from affecting it's development)

Otherwise what's the lure ? Aside from some optimistic (overly in my opinion) gamers who feel like MP will be great, most don't care for the feature. So why would I or any of you buy the online pass ? Because it's either going to give you something in addition that every gamer who buys me3 will want or it's going to significantly affect the single player game.

Given how statements on a lot of the "big" issues haven't stuck I'm inclined to believe that this is the case and the only thing that'll change my mind is the game itself. I also see more multiplayer DLC being released in the future. If ME3 is successful in drawing in new fans, then expect a ME universe game with traditional MP soon after.

The focus on modern RPG gaming is fading from ME games.

[Annihilator27]

Let me play a Yahg!!!

[BlaCKRodjj]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

This multiplayer mode is really about used game sales or rather stopping them. They added a multiplayer mode that comes with the online multiplayer pass as a form of DRM. This is why they were so bold to tie it MP into the single player and I have a feeling the MP is going to play a bigger role in the SP then previously mentioned. (aside from affecting it's development)

Otherwise what's the lure ? Aside from some optimistic (overly in my opinion) gamers who feel like MP will be great, most don't care for the feature. So why would I or any of you buy the online pass ? Because it's either going to give you something in addition that every gamer who buys me3 will want or it's going to significantly affect the single player game.

Given how statements on a lot of the "big" issues haven't stuck I'm inclined to believe that this is the case and the only thing that'll change my mind is the game itself. I also see more multiplayer DLC being released in the future. If ME3 is successful in drawing in new fans, then expect a ME universe game with traditional MP soon after.

The focus on modern RPG gaming is fading from ME games.

Read as: "They took my inventory so I rant everyday"

[Someone With Mass]

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Read as: "They took my inventory so I rant everyday"

Which is funny, because there's still an inventory in ME3. You just can't access it at any point or don't have to sort all the crap out.

Which is just fine by me, because all I want to do is to sell the stuff I don't need and prepare the stuff I can use before each mission, so I don't have to do all that in the middle of it.

The system that worked ten years ago isn't working as good today, when we clearly have better options.

[BlaCKRodjj]

Someone With Mass wrote...

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Read as: "They took my inventory so I rant everyday"

Which is funny, because there's still an inventory in ME3. You just can't access it at any point or don't have to sort all the crap out.

Which is just fine by me, because all I want to do is to sell the stuff I don't need and prepare the stuff I can use before each mission, so I don't have to do all that in the middle of it.

The system that worked ten years ago isn't working as good today, when we clearly have better options.

Of course it depends on how you see it but I agree with you. But the older system can still work, it just needs balance and organization.

[Morducai]

I don't know about this. Dead Space 2 also has MP and look how that turned out. It seems Bioware put more thought into their MP but it just seems like hoard mode to me. I hope they have some interesting coop maps where you actually progress and not resort to camping out a single spot. I still have my reservations, as I should, but I won't jump to any conclusions just yet.

This is pretty much Bioware's last chance with me. If they screw this one up then it's pretty much done deal for me. They already killed one franchise. At least that buffoon Mike Laidlaw has nothing to do with this one as it seems he's content on killing one franchise. Why bioware still let him be the lead on any game is short of amazing.

[Someone With Mass]

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Of course it depends on how you see it but I agree with you. But the older system can still work, it just needs balance and organization.

Indeed it can.

BioWare simply chose to scrap it and try something new instead.

[kidbd15]

don't know if this has been stated or confirmed, but it looks like human mp character will probably always wear a helmet, meaning no facial customizations

[Reptillius]

I'm purely on a wait and see holding pattern on MP myself. It can be done well to tie into ME3 and the single player and even be interesting that way... But we won't know if they did that or just how varied the missions are until the full game releases...

For all we know perhaps they only released the one Horde Mode style mission just because it shows off multiplayer but gives the least away with it's objectives and such. Just like they show us only part of a mission and some heavy combat to keep spoilers to a minimum for single player...

Or perhaps we're all horribly doomed.

I just know one thing... I can't trust people who's idea of innovation the most polished up version of something they may have played for the last 3 games... Which is unfortunately what the FPS genre is boiling down to right now. with a few exceptions that really have to fight to prove themselves at all and usually don't until after release when players and critics redefine their opinions of the game.

We're going to get mixed reviews right now unfortunately no matter what we do unless it just outright mind numbingly blows. And really... that's not what the reviews are saying the reviews are more

"Uh... Um... I don't know what to think so I'm just going to say i'm not entirely thrilled about what little they showed me but I'm not going to necessarily say it was bad."

Myself... quite honestly. I think I could get a kick out of a co-op map that the point is something like say... capture the genophage cure"flag" but the so called genophage cure is spent trying to corner some unlucky lab rat while all the defense troops get in your way while you run around the complex. And we can't say whether they planned something like that or not in the game as of this moment.

[Gatt9]

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

This multiplayer mode is really about used game sales or rather stopping them. They added a multiplayer mode that comes with the online multiplayer pass as a form of DRM. This is why they were so bold to tie it MP into the single player and I have a feeling the MP is going to play a bigger role in the SP then previously mentioned. (aside from affecting it's development)

Otherwise what's the lure ? Aside from some optimistic (overly in my opinion) gamers who feel like MP will be great, most don't care for the feature. So why would I or any of you buy the online pass ? Because it's either going to give you something in addition that every gamer who buys me3 will want or it's going to significantly affect the single player game.

Given how statements on a lot of the "big" issues haven't stuck I'm inclined to believe that this is the case and the only thing that'll change my mind is the game itself. I also see more multiplayer DLC being released in the future. If ME3 is successful in drawing in new fans, then expect a ME universe game with traditional MP soon after.

The focus on modern RPG gaming is fading from ME games.

Read as: "They took my inventory so I rant everyday"

You should probably go read Gamespot's new article today reporting that 56% of console gamers don't buy games,  and 85% of the remainder buy pre-owned.  I posted the link in the multiplayer thread if you want an easy way to it.

Oh,  and Whywhywhy is right.  That article on Gamespot makes the reasons for multiplayer crystal clear.

[Sheonite]

Without a combat pause, accurately doing CC and power combos in real-time will (hopefully) prove to be challenging and fun to do with others and will boil down to
a) good communication
                  or
insert any number of ways this could go wrong.

I hope for A. FEEL FREE TO CRUSH THAT SMALL INKLING OF HOPEAT ANY TIME EA.

Reptillius wrote...
"Uh... Um... I don't know what to think so I'm just going to
say i'm not entirely thrilled about what little they showed me but I'm
not going to necessarily say it was bad."

And I think I'll take the wait and see policy too. I'll play the demos and if I like what i see then ok I'm collecting my CE in march. No more blind faith, DA2 already murdered that mercilessly.

On a more hopeful note, is anyone at all excited to be able to play ME with others? Even if it is just an okay side fling and not  necessarily the best thing since nutella. Adept LFG!

Modifié par Sheonite, 02 novembre 2011 - 12:44 .

[BlaCKRodjj]

Gatt9 wrote...

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

This multiplayer mode is really about used game sales or rather stopping them. They added a multiplayer mode that comes with the online multiplayer pass as a form of DRM. This is why they were so bold to tie it MP into the single player and I have a feeling the MP is going to play a bigger role in the SP then previously mentioned. (aside from affecting it's development)

Otherwise what's the lure ? Aside from some optimistic (overly in my opinion) gamers who feel like MP will be great, most don't care for the feature. So why would I or any of you buy the online pass ? Because it's either going to give you something in addition that every gamer who buys me3 will want or it's going to significantly affect the single player game.

Given how statements on a lot of the "big" issues haven't stuck I'm inclined to believe that this is the case and the only thing that'll change my mind is the game itself. I also see more multiplayer DLC being released in the future. If ME3 is successful in drawing in new fans, then expect a ME universe game with traditional MP soon after.

The focus on modern RPG gaming is fading from ME games.

Read as: "They took my inventory so I rant everyday"

You should probably go read Gamespot's new article today reporting that 56% of console gamers don't buy games,  and 85% of the remainder buy pre-owned.  I posted the link in the multiplayer thread if you want an easy way to it.

Oh,  and Whywhywhy is right.  That article on Gamespot makes the reasons for multiplayer crystal clear.

So what if they added multiplayer? It's just Co-op. Besides, you are all ranting on how multiplayer will suck, the "diverted resourses" that could have been used in the SP, and that the SP will be dumbed down because of the multiplayer. You have no idea of this until you see it first hand on March. It's been said countless times but, don't like it? don't play it.

[Someone With Mass]

Gatt9 wrote...
You should probably go read Gamespot's new article today reporting that 56% of console gamers don't buy games,  and 85% of the remainder buy pre-owned.  I posted the link in the multiplayer thread if you want an easy way to it.

Oh,  and Whywhywhy is right.  That article on Gamespot makes the reasons for multiplayer crystal clear.

You guys act as if this is a stunning revelation. It's not.

It's been going on for years.

Oh, they want to earn more money by promoting the gamers to buy new copies. Surely they're evil. Nobody else wants to earn more money.

[1136342t54_]

I took these articles as a general.

"The multiplayer isn't the best but it is pretty good and connects well with the campaign but isn't necessary. If you don't want to play it you don't have to and its a SP focused game."

What's the problem?

[whywhywhywhy]

Arcian wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
You should probably go read Gamespot's new article today reporting that 56% of console gamers don't buy games,  and 85% of the remainder buy pre-owned.  I posted the link in the multiplayer thread if you want an easy way to it.

Oh,  and Whywhywhy is right.  That article on Gamespot makes the reasons for multiplayer crystal clear.

You guys act as if this is a stunning revelation. It's not.

It's been going on for years.

Oh, they want to earn more money by promoting the gamers to buy new copies. Surely they're evil. Nobody else wants to earn more money.

If that's not hitting the nail on the head, I don't know what is.

From a bioware goon perspective sure but for those who can think independently or just think, they can see it not the case.  The effort stems from looking at a company like gamestop's(I do not support them) bottomline and feeling like you deserve a bit of the pie.  Acts to limit 2nd hand game sales is an attack on a side of gaming that has directly benefited developers and the industry.  How you say ?  The used game market is partially responsible for weeding out bad games(good for gamers) and the sensation of "sleeper hits" (good for developers). 

Word of mouth of certain game spreads and you have a risk free opportunity to see if it's good.  Word spreads and the developers gins new fans some or most willing to buy their next game new.  In the same token a bad game spreads word of mouth and is avoided.  You can't accomplish this with new game purchases once open you can't return them.  Some sell old games to buy new ones, the industry needs used game sales otherwise it would be a big step backwards.

Simply put developers want a piece of the aftermarket and I see it as a big of laziness on their part. If they added incentives, things gamers universally wanted like a little free content instead of day1 dlc sales they'd have their piece of the pie.  So in short they have every right not to do that and add mp instead and I have every right not to buy the game and rent it instead or if so inclined buy it used.