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[Spartansfan8888]

 Has there been a reason given?

[Ivers0803]

I don't think darkspwan are connected to the fade , i think i remember something saying that their magic comes from the taint itself, not the fade.

[Forst1999]

I remember reading somewhere that darkspawn magic is fundamentaly different from normal magic, it comes from the taint. Remember how Genlocks, the darkspawn version of dwarves, had magic? Seems to be a entirely different thing. Demons don't seem to like it.

[whykikyouwhy]

Demons like tasty souls. Darkspawn either: 1. Do not have souls, or 2. Have rotten souls that give indigestion.


*Note: The above answer is not endorsed by any known Warden Council.

[TEWR]

Mainly because demons don't know about the Darkspawn taint according to Avernus, though segments of the game say that the corruption from a Hunger demon is similar to that of the Darkspawn's.

I assume demons and Darkspawn are linked in some way, but demons are not privy to that connection.

Ivers0803 wrote...

I don't think darkspwan are connected to the fade , i think i remember something saying that their magic comes from the taint itself, not the fade.

There's an entire area of the Fade populated with only Darkspawn in Dragon Age Origins. But you are right in that their magic comes from the Taint.

In a way it's a form of blood magic.

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's an entire area of the Fade populated with only Darkspawn in Dragon Age Origins. But you are right in that their magic comes from the Taint.

Because you're supposed to fear them? Duncan wasn't Duncan either.

[TEWR]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's an entire area of the Fade populated with only Darkspawn in Dragon Age Origins. But you are right in that their magic comes from the Taint.

Because you're supposed to fear them? Duncan wasn't Duncan either.

Wynne also talks about the Darkspawn and the Fade being connected, and then she talks about the story of the Magisters' hubris.

[Spartansfan8888]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

There's an entire area of the Fade populated with only Darkspawn in Dragon Age Origins. But you are right in that their magic comes from the Taint.

Because you're supposed to fear them? Duncan wasn't Duncan either.

Everything in that fade sequence was an illusion; Wynne even says at Ostagar that darkspawn have no connection to the fade. I suppose that makes sense that their magic comes from their taint.

[Arius23]

Maybe they do?

[jamesp81]

Forst1999 wrote...

I remember reading somewhere that darkspawn magic is fundamentaly different from normal magic, it comes from the taint. Remember how Genlocks, the darkspawn version of dwarves, had magic? Seems to be a entirely different thing. Demons don't seem to like it.

My understanding is that the Taint is completely anti-thetical to anything from the Fade, as in destructive.  That much has been confirmed either in game or by a dev, IIRC.  My opinion, based on that confirmation, is that a demon would be killed/destroyed if it tried to possess a darkspawn mage.

Edit:

On the other hand, darkspawn mages are already these abominable killing machines.  If one was possessed, would you be able to tell?

Modifié par jamesp81, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:09 .

[Darius Vir]

Ok, this is just a random outburst of thought, but....I think there is something involved with the Darkspawn and the Taint that the demons want NOTHING to do with.

This comes partly from Avernus, who told us how alien (and effective) his use of the Taint was towards demons. Second, as already mentioned by others, that Darkspawn magic is fundamentally different. It doesn't draw from the Fade at all, rather being Taint-powered.

Finally, the idea that even the most powerful of known entities in the Fade actively avoid the Black City (though I don't think they could get *close* even if they tried) which is highly likely the source or some focus center of the Taint.

Just see some kind of pattern here. The Fade and the demons seem to be physically apart of the "world" and Thedas, if a bit separate. The Taint seems to be on a different level, apart and perverse to the world.

Modifié par Darius Vir, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:45 .

[Huntress]

Arvenus told my warden:
Blood magic comes from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I knew. but the darkspawn taint. thats allien to them and it has power.

I suppose the taint act as a shield to warden's mages agaisnt demons call's, of course the warden's can hear the darkspawn from miles away, maybe one call over write the other.

[JJDrakken]

It's because the writers never really thought it full through, they just throw **** out there & forget what they wrote. Let's be honest, half time, nothing makes any sense or have any connection. Rectcon seems to be the fanfare these days, to make it easier on them.


JJ

[thats1evildude]

Besides the fact that darkspawn draw their magic from the taint itself, it's important to remember that demons seek to possess mortals because they view their dreams and want to experience the physical world through their eyes. Darkspawn do not sleep and they do not dream. To demons, darkspawn are just beasts from the mortal world.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Sinuphro]

Avernus told my warden that demons are afraid of the darkspawn taint

[Gervaise]

Demons are attracted to human emotions and weaknesses which they exploit. Normal Darkspawn do not have souls to be possessed and a very limited range of emotions. That said, spirits and demons do possess animals and trees, so the lack of a soul and the capacity to dream can only be part of the story.

It would seem to be the taint that deters spirits and demons, although that didn't put off Justice from entering Kristoff's body and then joining with Anders. However, once Kristoff died, may be the taint left his body. May be it was the taint as much as Anders' own emotions that warped Justice. When Anders goes funny in Corphyeus prison, it is Justice who emerges and starts to attack you. Whatever the origins of the taint, it seems to corrupt anything it comes into contact with that isn't already corrupt. When we enter the Fade after Feynriel, Anders makes a jokey comment about there is nothing like a bit of possession to keep you from temptation. Since demons are already corrupt, may be there is nothing like being a demon to make you aware that the taint is something you don't want to mess with.

[esper]

Justice didn't enter kristoff's body on purpose. He was sundered from the fade by the baroness and sort of 'fell' into the body.

[Andraste_Reborn]

The only possessed darkspawn we've ever seen have both been dead before the possession occurred. Both the ogre that killed Cailan and the ogre in Awakening are corpses when demons inhabit them. Demons seem to actively avoid live darkspawn - maybe death severs their connection to the taint and lets them in? It's probably no different to possessing a human corpse or a tree at that point.

[Nimrodell]

And yet how often do you find 'demonic residue' as junk loot on darkspawn body and Corypheus was actually caught in the Fade, slumbering... yup he is more than man and darkspawn, but still he is both. Avernus' observations are just that, observations, and he himself states that his research is not complete - there are proven facts in it but also supposition. After all - we all know why the grey wardens are required for slaying an Archdemon - 'cause if there is no grey warden, archdemon soul possesses a darkspawn thus continuing his existence - and after Awakening, we actually know that darkspawn have consciousness, even soul maybe, that is bound strangely not to manifest unless they get freed. Tbh, Mother had shown huge portion of these qualities and she is also aware of the Fade, after all The First is sundering the veil in Blackmarsh while following her own plan - so nothing is that simple as Avernus' studies suggest on demons being not familiar with darkspawn.

[wandrew]

I got the impression that the reason Avernus thought demons weren't immune to tainted magic was just because they were so familiar with blood magic, but I'm finding the aversion theory pretty tempting.

If the Chantry's story about the origins of the Darkspawn is true and the Black City is indeed what you can see in the Fade, it could be that the reason you can never reach it is because it isn't in the Fade. This might help explain why demons and spirits are unfamiliar with the Taint.

It also might mean that the place "beyond the Fade" that Morrigan was talking about was the Black City. Or maybe just the plane where it is.

Modifié par wandrew, 28 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[wandrew]

*apologies for double post.

Modifié par wandrew, 28 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Big I]

Since demons can possess trees, wolves, the profane and wardens I always assumed that they could possess darkspawn, but that they don't because humans are their first preference and darkspawn don't dream.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Spartansfan8888]

That's true they did possess a couple dead ogres... perhaps getting a live darkspawn is no different or even a disadvantage to them? Maybe the darkspawn hivemind (the taint itself?) is what a demon would have to overcome to control a darkspawn that is still alive. Maybe Awakened emissaries are at risk since they are severed from the "song?"

[RagingCyclone]

Huntress wrote...

Arvenus told my warden:
Blood magic comes from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I knew. but the darkspawn taint. thats allien to them and it has power.

I suppose the taint act as a shield to warden's mages agaisnt demons call's, of course the warden's can hear the darkspawn from miles away, maybe one call over write the other.

This! It's the only explanation I have seen given in the games. And someone mentioned possesed darkspawn? When did this happen? Did I miss something? If this is in reference to RtO those were more likely risen using necromancy...not demon possession. 

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:37 .