There is a possessed Ogre in Awakening. And the Codex says that every raised corpse the player fights is actually a demon possessing it. The only exception I think would be "All That Remains," I don't know if the Raised Ogre in Return to Ostagar was supposed to be another exception or not because darkspawn mages do often raise corpses the way other mages seem to do.
Why don't demons possess darkspawn mages?
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#27
Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 05:09
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RagingCyclone wrote...
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Arvenus told my warden:
Blood magic comes from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I knew. but the darkspawn taint. thats allien to them and it has power.
I suppose the taint act as a shield to warden's mages agaisnt demons call's, of course the warden's can hear the darkspawn from miles away, maybe one call over write the other.
This! It's the only explanation I have seen given in the games. And someone mentioned possesed darkspawn? When did this happen? Did I miss something? If this is in reference to RtO those were more likely risen using necromancy...not demon possession.
Yes demons don't posses darkspawns they just re-animate the body.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 05:19
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Demons are attracted to Mages due to their magical connection to the Fade.
Darkspawn have no such connection, so demons are not interested.
This is my best guess.
As for the risen Ogre in Return to Ost. It was raised by Darkspawn magic, not by demonic possession.
Edit: Considering what little we actually know about the specifics of Darkspawn magic, it could have been anything from controling the corpse manually or shoving the Ogre's spirit back into it, or merely giving the thing life to become a mindless thrall. *Shrugs*
Darkspawn have no such connection, so demons are not interested.
This is my best guess.
As for the risen Ogre in Return to Ost. It was raised by Darkspawn magic, not by demonic possession.
Edit: Considering what little we actually know about the specifics of Darkspawn magic, it could have been anything from controling the corpse manually or shoving the Ogre's spirit back into it, or merely giving the thing life to become a mindless thrall. *Shrugs*
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You can use Raise Dead on a hurlock emissary just as well. It's not really explained clearly what the mechanism for raising the dead is in either the darkspawn's case or otherwise. The codex entry for corpses says they all have spirits inside of them, though that seems a little strange considering how little regard is given for them being in any way sentient (aside from Revenants/Arcane Horrors maybe). The ones raised directly seem little more than extensions of the mage's will. I suppose it could be they are spirits bound to the mage's will, though it seems strange that the Circle would permit magic that would deal directly with spirits as such.
The taint being something of a physical nature though, transferable by blood, that would seem to rule out the taint being fundamentally antithetical to demons/spirits, since demons can possess wardens (Anders), dead wardens (Sofia), and dead darkspawn.
The taint being something of a physical nature though, transferable by blood, that would seem to rule out the taint being fundamentally antithetical to demons/spirits, since demons can possess wardens (Anders), dead wardens (Sofia), and dead darkspawn.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 06:08
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Well, demons can clearly possess animals vis-a-vis Kitty in Honnleath. I'm not sue there's any logical reason why demons couldn't possess darkspawn, unless it somehow relates to the ability to maintain a connection to the Fade. Maybe the issue is that the "normal" darkspawn, to my knowledge, can't dream/enter the Fade? Presumably, dogs and cats have their little doggie and kitty dreams and run around in the Fade when they dream. Or maybe demons just don't like the "taste" of darkspawn.and/or are actually vain enough to not want to use one as a host.
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Posté 28 octobre 2011 - 09:30
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Jedi Master of Orion--that ogre in Awakening is not possesed that I can tell. You kill it and then fight it's spirit. But it's an anomoly I think similar to Orsino's boss fight...thrown in just because. I wonder though about the First and his kind. He was pulled into the fade and was apalled. I wonder if it's not just the taint but also the oldd god calling that affects this and demon possession (or lack thereof)
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 11:09
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In the novel The Calling, First Enchanter Remille is trained in darkspawn magic by the Architect. This implies that their magic is not limited to the taint.
Also: dwarves are cut off from the Fade (except Oghren in Lost in Dreams!), but their corpses can presumably be possessed as well as any others.
Also: dwarves are cut off from the Fade (except Oghren in Lost in Dreams!), but their corpses can presumably be possessed as well as any others.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:10
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RagingCyclone wrote...
Jedi Master of Orion--that ogre in Awakening is not possesed that I can tell. You kill it and then fight it's spirit. But it's an anomoly I think similar to Orsino's boss fight...thrown in just because. I wonder though about the First and his kind. He was pulled into the fade and was apalled. I wonder if it's not just the taint but also the oldd god calling that affects this and demon possession (or lack thereof)
Wasn't the Ogred called "Possesd Ogre?" The fight ends up happening because their is a wraith loose in the Keep that you freed to get down there. After killing the ogre the spirit flees to an Avvar Tomb in the basement.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 06:38
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Also remember that Avernus said demons are completly ignorant about the taint. They probably don't know how to possess Darkspawn.Ivers0803 wrote...
I don't think darkspwan are connected to the fade , i think i remember something saying that their magic comes from the taint itself, not the fade.
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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 10:21
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wandrew wrote...
In the novel The Calling, First Enchanter Remille is trained in darkspawn magic by the Architect. This implies that their magic is not limited to the taint.
Also: dwarves are cut off from the Fade (except Oghren in Lost in Dreams!), but their corpses can presumably be possessed as well as any others.
I had thought though that the Architect's original plan was to taint every living being in Thedas though (haven't read the book)? Would this be why the first enchanter could use it?
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 04:10
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I can't remember specifics, but I think they would have made a bigger deal of it if Remille had been tainted at that point. Anyone got a better memory than me?
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 08:56
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wandrew wrote...
I can't remember specifics, but I think they would have made a bigger deal of it if Remille had been tainted at that point. Anyone got a better memory than me?
He wasn't. Only Utha and the siblings were.
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 12:25
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Demons are attracted to the emotions that drive people, although they can inhabit other things but this may be more by "mistake" than intent. The problem with darkspawn is that there is a constraint on the darkspawn's mind because of the taint that compells them to search for the old gods/ancient magisters and then follow them slavishly once they find them. The demons probably sense this compulsion and it repells them because it cuts across their normal means of control. Once a darkspawn or warden dies, the body is just an empty vessel and the taint no longer constrains the behaviour of the demon which inhabits it.
The relationship between Anders and Justice is rather unique in a lot of ways and seemed to rely on the voluntary consent of both parties to enter into it, although it did seem somewhat similar to when the demon possessed Connor as the host can at times resume control and appear themselves. We were told that the reason Connor could be exorcised was because it was a voluntary arrangement and David Gaider suggested that the reason you couldn't split Anders from Justice was actually because Anders didn't really want it. May be the taint would also have some sort of effect that would prevent them being parted outside of death. In any case, neither of them seemed to realise what an adverse effect their pairing was going to have, so may be Justice didn't appreciate the taint aspect either. From the reaction in Legacy, if Anders survived to his Calling, Justice would simply assume control when Anders lost his mind but whether he would be able to maintain this or also succumb to the taint's control, is anyone's guess.
The relationship between Anders and Justice is rather unique in a lot of ways and seemed to rely on the voluntary consent of both parties to enter into it, although it did seem somewhat similar to when the demon possessed Connor as the host can at times resume control and appear themselves. We were told that the reason Connor could be exorcised was because it was a voluntary arrangement and David Gaider suggested that the reason you couldn't split Anders from Justice was actually because Anders didn't really want it. May be the taint would also have some sort of effect that would prevent them being parted outside of death. In any case, neither of them seemed to realise what an adverse effect their pairing was going to have, so may be Justice didn't appreciate the taint aspect either. From the reaction in Legacy, if Anders survived to his Calling, Justice would simply assume control when Anders lost his mind but whether he would be able to maintain this or also succumb to the taint's control, is anyone's guess.
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 12:55
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My impression is that the reason for pretty much demon-possessed anything is to give the player creatures to fight - in the Brecilian forest, for instance, you encounter plenty of demon-possessed trees (Wild Sylvans) but no possessed animals even though demons are capable of possessing both. The wolves attack you with or without demons, but if the trees weren't possessed, they would have no incentive to start picking a fight.
Maybe demon-possessed darkspawn is possible, but since they are already monsters who try to attack you, what would the point of it be? That said, I am really curious as to what a darkspawn-abomination would look like now.
Maybe demon-possessed darkspawn is possible, but since they are already monsters who try to attack you, what would the point of it be? That said, I am really curious as to what a darkspawn-abomination would look like now.
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 01:56
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I would think the reason demons don't possess Darkspawn is because of the insatiable need to release the old gods. That compulsion would leave little else for the demon to do, except to find the old god. The Darkspawn do not possess souls, they have limited reasoning capability other than to dig, dig, dig, or defend themselves.
I don't think a Demon would find there accomidations suitable for possession.
I don't think a Demon would find there accomidations suitable for possession.
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Posté 30 octobre 2011 - 09:47
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Gervaise wrote...
Demons are attracted to the emotions that drive people, although they can inhabit other things but this may be more by "mistake" than intent. The problem with darkspawn is that there is a constraint on the darkspawn's mind because of the taint that compells them to search for the old gods/ancient magisters and then follow them slavishly once they find them. The demons probably sense this compulsion and it repells them because it cuts across their normal means of control. Once a darkspawn or warden dies, the body is just an empty vessel and the taint no longer constrains the behaviour of the demon which inhabits it.
Good point.
Gervaise wrote...
We were told that the reason Connor could be exorcised was because it was a voluntary arrangement and David Gaider suggested that the reason you couldn't split Anders from Justice was actually because Anders didn't really want it.
Not so: Gaider has said that, while there is initially less separation than with Connor, they later become more disparate.
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