Ryzaki wrote...
Right so I suppose all the soldiers fighting in wars automatically believe in every single war right? Every single member of a cigarrette corporation believes in what they're doing. There's no such thing in believing in part of something or trying to get a paycheck eh?
He doesn't *believe* TIM's BS but he's doing the job because he's helping people. Or did his story about stopping the murder of the council go completely over your head? The same is happening with Shepard's mission.
If i remember correctly he stopped the council being murdered as part of his duties as an alliance soldeir not as part of his duties as a cerberus operative.
He's working for someone who does nefarious things, he says he doesn't agree with those things or the goals or methods cerberus uses in order to further their agenda, yet at the same time his duties, his jobs are handed to him by those very same people, so he's given a job he completes the job and he returns back with his i don't believe in TIM's BS line in the sand attitude untarnished.
Only problem is that the person who gave him that job, does believe in certain goals and objectives and he does things to further those goals and objectives, the jobs, the duties of the people working under him are all in order to further those obejectives, so yes Jacob does believe the BS because despite not agreeing with or sharing those objective he still carries on regardless doing the jobs that further that objective along, while believing he's not.
Its not someone collecting a paycheck or believing in the service of their country, its someone who despite disagreeing fundamentally with the goals of the people he works for still continuing to work for those people helping them to acheive those goals, telling themselves they're not compromising the principles or falling for the bull**** while at the same time being given a job to do, doing it, which proves the opposite is true.
Uh no. *Your* Shepard's goal maybe be that mine is to save people's lives.
And of course! It's not like the Collectors are connected to the Reapers! There's no way the Reapers are building a power base for when they come and attack! And it totally makes sense to go on a wild goose chase (with no resources) for the Reapers. Brilliance.
When we finished me1, his comment to the council is he will stop the reapers, so yes its his goal in life, either you didn't play me1 or you somehow have managed to forget that point.
Considering we spend the entire timeframe of me2 collecting resources and going on the wild goose chase of trying to stop the collectors, perhaps we could have instead spent the same amount of time looking for the resources to stop the reapers themselves.
As for the reapers using the collectors to create a power base for when they come back, well considering they were on the verge of arriving and the collector base wasn't where they were heading it doesn't actually seem to have been the case now was it.
I suppose EDI is meaningless eh? As is Legion? As is the IFF? Shepard has evidence to back of TIM's words. Full stop. No matter how much you want to insist TIM is being demanding and Shepard is playing along with his tune TIM's assumptions have basis.
Yep an Ai that was under the control of Cerberus, had most of its protocols locked so we couldn't access them until a specific point in time, can off course be trusted as an impeccable source.
As for Legion what exactly does he prove in relation to the collectors and the omega relay?
The Iff i'll grant you offers some prove but who exactly is the person who analyses and interprets that proof, oh yeah thats right TIM.
Shepard goes through the relay based on TIM's interpretation of what the IFF does, backed up by Edi, its was a giant leap based on the fact that TIM had already set Shepard up once and EDI had just recently decided that she could allow us to access her databanks fully, not to mention that she was in fact a fully functional AI then and could have had her own ulterior motive for backing TIM's version of the truth.
But even despite all that, Shepard decides to go through the relay, not knowing what he'll find or if he'll ever return, he's taking a risk that could be taking him completely out of the main game based on what exactly, oh yeah TIM's word.
So they think Shepard is indoctrinated by Cerberus...without Cerberus ever showing the ability to indoctrinate anyone else? Or have it so the indoctrination doesn't work in the Reapers favor?
My original point was in relation to them falling for TIM's BS hook line and sinker when there was no proof. That's the reason it's BS.
Tim's words about the Collector's aren't BS. Why? It's true.
Didn't Miranda mention something about a control chip, so they obviously have some technology which allows them to control people, but thats not even the full point.
Mass effect has shown that people can be controlled by outside influences be it indoctrination in Saren's and Benezia's case or be it the Thorian in Shiala's.
Cerberus have shown they'll go to any lengths to acheive their goal, be it killing kahokhu or arranging akuze.
Shepard is working with cerberus something that 2 years previously he would never have done, something which on the face of it looks completely ooc for the Shepard the VS knew.
So we have the VS knowing that despite themselves people can be made to do things they wouldn't normally do, we have the knowledge that the VS has regarding what lengths Cerberus will go to and we then have what apparently is proof that Shepard is acting completely against character.
Not to mention that the rumours that were spread about Shepard no doubt involved 2 pertinent facts that are also seemingly now proved true, that he was alive and working with Cerberus.
But they off course should never have fell for TIM's BS, despite all the potential evidence which seemingly proved it right, they should have been able to see through it all and rely on Shepard's counter evidence that they could trust him.
Perhaps if Shepard had taken out a glove and shown it didn't fit he may have made a stronger case, then again on Horizon Shepard was no Johnnie Cochran though was he.
Modifié par alperez, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:29 .
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