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[HogarthHughes 3]

Abispa wrote...

Possibly a line of dialogue giving their moral view, but the crew will act the same for renegade or paragons, I'm guessing. The only true reactions I can see being in ME3 are those promised situations where Shepard makes a decision that helps one ally at the expense of another (Geth vs. Quarians, Miranda vs. Jack, Council vs. Alliance, etc.).

You're probably right, if isn't their main issue (e.g. Wrex & the Krogan/Genophage) I expect they'll give some one-liner complaint at most.  I hope there are more of these "breaking points" lets say than in the previous games, it was fun having Wynne & Leliana + Shale turn on my pragmatist Warden.  (though seeing Leliana and Wynne survive somehow was certainly disheartening)

To be marginally on-topic, I trust the VS to do what they think is right.  Of course, I could say the same for TIM.  If Ashley still doesn't trust my ruthless!Shepard come ME3, then no I (and Shepard) will most definitely not trust her.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[General User]

Siansonea II wrote...

General User wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
It's your funeral pal. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Thanks!  I appreciate the warning.

Siansonea II wrote...In other words, terrorists.

They certainly become terrorists.  Or at least a significant number of them do.  Others become heros.  Or at least a significant number of them do.  Cerberus is known for many things, moderation is not one of them.

Cerberus IS known for many things. And they're all CRIMES. Seriously, you need to lay off the mind-altering substances. 

They're a black-ops group!  What else would you expect!?!

Besides, that's not strictly true, not ALL of Cerberus' operations are criminal in nature.  Cerberus cleared out geth strongholds during the Eden Prime War, they've discredited dangerous alien leaders, they saved the Citadel!

[Ryzaki]

I really hope Shep doesn't become an alliance fanboy in ME3 though. I don't like them or Cerberus. If I get my vigilante Shepard ending I will be pleased. 

Screw the alliance, screw the council, screw Cerberus. I'm taking the Normandy and getting the hell out of there with Garrus kicking pirate ass across the galaxy.

I really hope we can RP how happy Shep is with the alliance, with the seperate characters (you should be able to tell Garrus to kick rocks if you don't like him instead of being forced to be BFFs).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:20 .

[Siansonea]

General User wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

General User wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
It's your funeral pal. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Thanks!  I appreciate the warning.

Siansonea II wrote...In other words, terrorists.

They certainly become terrorists.  Or at least a significant number of them do.  Others become heros.  Or at least a significant number of them do.  Cerberus is known for many things, moderation is not one of them.

Cerberus IS known for many things. And they're all CRIMES. Seriously, you need to lay off the mind-altering substances. 

They're a black-ops group!  What else would you expect!?!

Besides, that's not strictly true, not ALL of Cerberus' operations are criminal in nature.  Cerberus cleared out geth strongholds during the Eden Prime War, they've discredited dangerous alien leaders, they saved the Citadel!

When a "black-ops" group isn't officially recognized by the government, they're not a "black-ops" group. They're criminals. And Cerberus can rescue kittens out of trees every now and then, and that's all fine and good, but that doesn't wipe the slate for all the atrocities they've committed. They KILLED AN ALLIANCE ADMIRAL. They KILLED AND TORTURED ALLIANCE MARINES. They EXPERIMENTED ON SENTIENT CREATURES. They TORTURED AND KILLED HUMAN CHILDREN. Seriously, your attempts at a PR makeover for Cerberus are SO not working. And if THAT'S the crux of your argument for why the VS is "wrong", then you're just grasping at straws. 

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

I really hope Shep doesn't become an alliance fanboy in ME3 though. I don't like them or Cerberus. If I get my vigilante Shepard ending I will be pleased. 

Screw the alliance, screw the council, screw Cerberus. I'm taking the Normandy and getting the hell out of there with Garrus kicking pirate ass across the galaxy.

I really hope we can RP how happy Shep is with the alliance, with the seperate characters (you should be able to tell Garrus to kick rocks if you don't like him instead of being forced to be BFFs).

I want a "eff them all" option for my Soldier too. 

[Xilizhra]

When a "black-ops" group isn't officially recognized by the government, they're not a "black-ops" group. They're criminals. And Cerberus can rescue kittens out of trees every now and then, and that's all fine and good, but that doesn't wipe the slate for all the atrocities they've committed. They KILLED AN ALLIANCE ADMIRAL. They KILLED AND TORTURED ALLIANCE MARINES. They EXPERIMENTED ON SENTIENT CREATURES. They TORTURED AND KILLED HUMAN CHILDREN. Seriously, your attempts at a PR makeover for Cerberus are SO not working. And if THAT'S the crux of your argument for why the VS is "wrong", then you're just grasping at straws.

I thought the point of a black ops group is that it wasn't officially recognized? Personally, I suspect someone in the Alliance is still controlling Cerberus... which is why I no longer trust the Alliance and am quite looking forward to burning out Cerberus' infestation there.
Oh well. We're on the same page so long as you don't have any actual sadistic urges towards Cerberus staff.

[V-rex]

In short, yes I do still trust Ashley after Horizon. Largely because my Shepard is still hopelessly in love with her.
I may be expecting some kind of apology or at least explanation for Horizon and I'd like to see Shepard if not apologize at least be sympathetic to the fact that she spent two years grieving for him and that opening with the line:
'Hey, how you been?'
Wasn't exactly tactful given the circumstances. I just feel that one mistake and one bad reaction shouldn't be enough to condemn someone wholesale, someone who for all we know may actually be more involved in the conflict then it appears. After all, she's a Spectre now, there has to be a reason behind that.

I'm not going to argue that anyone here who was hostile to the VS after Horizon is obviously just a butthurt egotist, I can understand why there would be anger. But from where I and Commander James Shepard are concerned, there isn't a single other woman in the whole galaxy that he'd rather have at his side then Ashley.
Horizon was bad but if she's willing (and going by that demo footage I'd say she is) to try to mend the gap then so is my Shepard.
Honestly it's the end of the trilogy and if people want an option to kick the VS off their ships well as long as I get to have an option where I can keep Ashley on the ship where she always should have been in MY eyes, I can live with that.
Because at least I'll still get MY ideal ending.

Also seriously f*ck the idea of indoctrination. It's a cheap and lazy plot device that would only cheapen the actual tension and drama of the situation. But if they must have it at least give me the option to 'save' Ashley from it rather then being forced to kill her.

Modifié par V-rex, 28 octobre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Aurora313]

I played ME2 first and admittedly, I have no idea why Ashley was yelling at me, or even who she was. Then I spent about two months searching high and hell water to get a copy of ME1 when I finally got through the game I remember the 'Oh! Right! I Get it now! ' feeling I had, then I remembered Horizon and thought.... 'Yep. That's understandably screwed up. Right there.'

[Siansonea]

Xilizhra wrote...

When a "black-ops" group isn't officially recognized by the government, they're not a "black-ops" group. They're criminals. And Cerberus can rescue kittens out of trees every now and then, and that's all fine and good, but that doesn't wipe the slate for all the atrocities they've committed. They KILLED AN ALLIANCE ADMIRAL. They KILLED AND TORTURED ALLIANCE MARINES. They EXPERIMENTED ON SENTIENT CREATURES. They TORTURED AND KILLED HUMAN CHILDREN. Seriously, your attempts at a PR makeover for Cerberus are SO not working. And if THAT'S the crux of your argument for why the VS is "wrong", then you're just grasping at straws.

I thought the point of a black ops group is that it wasn't officially recognized? Personally, I suspect someone in the Alliance is still controlling Cerberus... which is why I no longer trust the Alliance and am quite looking forward to burning out Cerberus' infestation there.
Oh well. We're on the same page so long as you don't have any actual sadistic urges towards Cerberus staff.

Oh no, nothing like that. I have a few pro-Cerberus Shepards, actually. My Vanguard would probably go on a witch hunt against Cerberus, but the other five would be much more chill. 

[ADLegend21]

jreezy wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I never trusted them from the start, because I never knew them as much as I know the characters in ME2, not even after playing ME1.

A "Mass Effect 2 first" player? In this thread? Leave and never return.

hey, I'm a mass effect 2 first and I'd trust almost all the swuaddies from both games with my life.

[Ryzaki]

My sole pro Cerberus Shepard (well fanatically pro Cerberus). Will not be pleased at Cerberus being indoctrinated or being in the alliance. Oh boy he's gonna be pissed .

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My sole pro Cerberus Shepard (well fanatically pro Cerberus). Will not be pleased at Cerberus being indoctrinated or being in the alliance. Oh boy he's gonna be pissed .

You actually believe Cerberus doesn't have agents in the Alliance?

Yeah spies. My Shepard doesn't do spy work. Too damn blunt. 

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

My sole pro Cerberus Shepard (well fanatically pro Cerberus). Will not be pleased at Cerberus being indoctrinated or being in the alliance. Oh boy he's gonna be pissed .

You actually believe Cerberus doesn't have agents in the Alliance?

Yeah spies. My Shepard doesn't do spy work. Too damn blunt. 

Gotcha. Your Shepard must always try to "bludgeon through bureaucracy" I take it.

 

Yup and he can bludgeon pretty hard. 

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...


Yes how dare Shepard try to save people from being dragged off and being experiments. What a stupid thing to do.  As for not questioning his resurrection that was kind of boring but that was probably to hide the mindboggling stupidity that the Lazarus project was to start with. They should've just put him in a damn coma. 

I think the opint was that prior to Horizon, SHepard had zero evidence that the Reapers were involved with the missing colonies at all.  It's was only on TIM's say-so that the Reapers and Collectors were linked.  While saving the colonies would qualify as a good thing, it was still entirely possible that TIM was just stringing Shep along fro some nefarious, non-Reaper purpose.  In which case, the VS would have been absolutely right.

And yeah, coma would have been much better.  Badly injured, needs top of the line surgery and cybernetics to survive.  Much easier to swallow.

Heck a CASIE implant could even explain most of Shepard's recruitment missions:lol:

[Iakus]

General User wrote...
They're a black-ops group!  What else would you expect!?!

Besides, that's not strictly true, not ALL of Cerberus' operations are criminal in nature.  Cerberus cleared out geth strongholds during the Eden Prime War, they've discredited dangerous alien leaders, they saved the Citadel!

"Every predator defends its territory"

[ADLegend21]

me thinks you can trust them.

[Quole]

The VS is clearly indoctrinated. So no I dont. Theres no other way they could have escaped the collectors. Seriously someone speculate with me. No other plot hole has bothered me as much as that.

Modifié par Quole, 28 octobre 2011 - 06:09 .

[Quole]

jreezy wrote...

Quole wrote...

The VS is clearly indoctrinated. So no I dont. Theres no other way they could have escaped the collectors. Seriously someone speculate with me. No other plot hole has bothered me as much as that.

That's been bothering me as well honestly. Lilith was right there with the VS and only she got snatched. Will BioWare try to make something out of it? I hope they do because that should not be an oversight.

Whats really odd is that shepard does not even have the option of asking them how they escaped. Shepard`s intelligence is astounding.

Modifié par Quole, 28 octobre 2011 - 06:28 .

[Quole]

Its actually kind of sad that Shepard is the galaxy`s best hope against the reapers.

Modifié par Quole, 28 octobre 2011 - 06:36 .