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naughty99 wrote...

chrisuuuu wrote...

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IIRC, Wii is the most successful video game console ever released with something like 88 million units sold since launch.

They are not likely to go bankrupt anytime soon.


The Wii is not., it's actually the PS2 which sold around 150 million units. The PSX also has sold more than the Wii.


I stand corrected. In any case, 88 million units retailing at $100-200 plus all those Wii-Mote, Wii-Fit, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, etc., accessories adds up to a lot of revenue.

19 out of the top 20 most successful games of all time have been Nintendo titles


Those are amazing figures. I guess you can think of it as a company accruing say 100 billion since a systems launch and for half a year lost 1 billion. It's not going anywhere. We shall see how the WII U does. I def would like to see some new IP introduced this coming generation.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:51 .


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The wii was the most sucessful video game console ever released, indeed.

It was innovative, original, etc at the time, that's why they had those results. They can't count anymore on that.

The more the years pass, the more sales are collapsing, and now they are suffering this year . The curve after 2008 is ruthless. Nintendo has failed to capitalize on those results wit hsolid contents, a solid support over time ( video games of quality ) , while, enthusiasm had cooled, especially in the united states, the weaknesses of this platform was more and more noticeable, strategy increasingly faltering.

- Lack of solid content ( too childish games ). Too many famous games ignored, while released on pc, ps3, xbox360

- Graphics pathetic. They couldn't make a great zelda with beautiful graphics, twilight princess on WII had the same graphics than that of gamecube. Skyword couldn't have better graphics too, that's why they chose this design.

- Problems of inaccuracies with the movements. Many players were frustrated.

- No dvd infrastructure ( ps3 ), no internet, no multiplayer like on ps3 and xbox 360. A great weakness.

- The kinect the xbox and ps3 launches new trick on the load and reduces the originality of the Wii which loses its specificity. No interest to choose it, if in other platforms I can have movements, and with better graphics and more power, better games.

Clearly, Nintendo rested on its laurels. It currently lacks innovation for the games, always the same faces, the same producers of games since the 80's who still believe that Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, will suffice, but the time have changed. New generations are coming, it is urgent to re-mark the spirits. with new games, new creativity, intelligent tracks. They won't be so happy with simply Mario, Donley Kong, the same recipe, etc.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 octobre 2011 - 01:42 .


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Nintendo made a killing with Wii. They are fine. This mistake hurts them, and if it keeps happening, of course they will suffer.

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I'm glad they made a mistake, they can learn from it. Next time be careful with price point, and back up said price point with launch titles.

In any case I can't wait to see what the industry as a whole will be bringing us.

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You don't need stunning graphics to dominate or gain sales. Look at iOS titles that have literally exploded from nowhere. Most of the best selling games on iOS or Android do not touch the great ones on PSP or DS or consoles. Do not tell me that Angry Birds or Cut the Rope is revolutionary or breathtakingly beautiful cuz it aint. But titles like these are the future. In fact, in this day and age, convenience will be the winning strategy.

So many wrote Nintendo off after what happened with the Gamecube and they smashed it this generation. People don't have 50 to 100 hours to dedicate to finishing a quest. We are facing quarters of stagnant growth for the forseeable future and our purchases reflect that. I'm trying to hustle my butt off in college so I can hopefully land a nice gig so while I would love to play Skyword Sword, my life restricts me to easy pick up and play iOS titles and maybe a little bit of Infinity Blade (which has very low learning curve. Many of these iOS titles can be had for like a buck or two, which is sweet for someone mindful of their wallet. 

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:04 .


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I don't play Nintendo games for cutting edge graphics. Mario and Zelda are timeless fun. If I'm disappointed with anyone it's Microsoft and Sony. They are wasting time with Kinect and Move rather than focusing on next generation consoles. They are holding developers back with hardware limitations.

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survival of the fittest...if they dont shape up, well...they can always sell more Mario games.

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Or they can just pull a Sega an ditch the console scene altogether. No one will miss the consoles too much as long as Nintendo continues to turn out top-quality titles.

Modifié par greengoron89, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:11 .


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chrisuuuu wrote...

You don't need stunning graphics to dominate or gain sales. Look at iOS titles that have literally exploded from nowhere. Most of the best selling games on iOS or Android do not touch the great ones on PSP or DS or consoles. Do not tell me that Angry Birds or Cut the Rope is revolutionary or breathtakingly beautiful cuz it aint. In fact, in this day and age, convenience will be the winning strategy.

So many wrote Nintendo off after what happened with the Gamecube and they smashed it this generation. People don't have 50 to 100 hours to dedicate to finishing a quest. We are facing quarters of stagnant growth for the forseeable future and our purchases reflect that. I'm trying to hustle my butt off in college so I can hopefully land a nice gig so while I would love to play Skyword Sword, my life restricts me to easy pick up and play iOS titles and maybe a little bit of Infinity Blade (which has very low learning curve. Many of these iOS titles can be had for like a buck or two, which is sweet for someone mindful of their wallet. 


I totally agree, but too far for a next generation console game like the wii. Two issues :

one : Many games can't be played on wii because of this weakness. The graphics of the Wii have not evolved since the gamecube. Which is huge.

two : You must have a solid content to counteract this weakness, what nintendo with Myamoto doesn't like much, these times, he prefers that the priorities are to make a game " fun "first on the wii. Not too complicate, with not too much features. Well, in the past, now I don't know for the future.

And it seems that Nintendo has made ​​the same point now on this weakness. Since the priority of their new console was to increase the overall strength and especially their graphics console compared to the xbox360 and ps3.

They release this console, the Wii U a long time before their conccurents.

 And what was the first thing they did ? It was to show what their new console in terms of graphic power was able to.
. Obviously with their game the most famous :  Zelda.



They also had a message for their traditionnal and hardcore fans disappointed by the Wii. Do not let us down, we have understood, we have heard, we have some surprises for you.

So the graphics do not determine everything, I agree,  but totally ignoring them like what was made is a real suicide, in light of market developments.

I think for example, skyword, will be a huge sucess, but especially because there is a solid content behind expected. they said it was their largest investment, over all the zelda ever created.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 octobre 2011 - 02:32 .


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greengoron89 wrote...

Or they can just pull a Sega an ditch the console scene altogether. No one will miss the consoles too much as long as Nintendo continues to turn out top-quality titles.


I don't think they'll pull a Sega. Nintendo's too proud of its own consoles and work to go and make games with Microsoft and Sony.
If that happens someday, I'd fully expect to see Master Chief on the next Smash Bros or Kratos on Mario Kart.

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greengoron89 wrote...

Or they can just pull a Sega an ditch the console scene altogether. No one will miss the consoles too much as long as Nintendo continues to turn out top-quality titles.


I hope that never happens. Nintendo is the only one of the three console makers that do experiment. While some console/handhelds are either a hit or miss they do experiment. The Wii, Gameboy, Virtual Boy, DS etc. Microsoft and Sony are pretty much the same console wise.

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Perhaps, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't bored with their incessant need to "innovate" everything. Most of their stuff now is getting a bit too abstract for my tastes - even the Wii itself is a bit much for me. I wouldn't even be getting one if not for Skyward Sword - in fact, I'd probably have put Nintendo behind me a long time ago if not for the promise of new Zelda games.

I'll give Nintendo credit, though - they're fiercely independent, passionate about what they do, and they don't give up easily. Few other companies can compare. I just wish they'd cool it with their obsessive pursuit to change everything.

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Ringo12 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Or they can just pull a Sega an ditch the console scene altogether. No one will miss the consoles too much as long as Nintendo continues to turn out top-quality titles.


I hope that never happens. Nintendo is the only one of the three console makers that do experiment. While some console/handhelds are either a hit or miss they do experiment. The Wii, Gameboy, Virtual Boy, DS etc. Microsoft and Sony are pretty much the same console wise.


They don't seem to be experimenting much with graphics.

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slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Or they can just pull a Sega an ditch the console scene altogether. No one will miss the consoles too much as long as Nintendo continues to turn out top-quality titles.


I hope that never happens. Nintendo is the only one of the three console makers that do experiment. While some console/handhelds are either a hit or miss they do experiment. The Wii, Gameboy, Virtual Boy, DS etc. Microsoft and Sony are pretty much the same console wise.


They don't seem to be experimenting much with graphics.

But graphics don't make a game great. Yes it makes it looks awesome (after all we both love Witcher 2) but look at Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime 3 or Super Mario Galaxy 2 gorgeous games. Ofcourse I wouldn't mind some HD games but I'm not much of a graphics ****. The Wii U looks to be fixiing that and if it can actually play games at 1080p that would be something. Hardcore games especially not Table Tennis like on the 360 which is probably one of the few console games that run at 1080 I believe.

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Well, good.

Let's hope it's the beginning of the end for 'em.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Well, good.

Let's hope it's the beginning of the end for 'em.

This.

Nintendo has become a blight on the game's industry.

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They've been dying for years, they should just call it a day imo.

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This is what happens when you make non-committal casuals your target market.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:29 .


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I don't see nintendo getting out of the market, more so as well its the only one that aimes for the market it has.

Ninteno has always been and always will be the place to go for E rated titles, kid friendlyness, and for less than hardcore games. And it always has been innovative.

Some parents just won't buy a 360 or PS3 for there kids given the content on both, 360 tends to be aimed purely at the adult post teenage male, And purely the North American/European Market, look at how few Japanese titles it has for example. While Sony is still Japan heavy, hard core, and RPG for the most.

So its not like the Wii's market will vanish and Nintendo always has been slow and steedy with sells. Plus its phenominal product quality is still there. Another thing we are forgetting is how some bemoan nintenos "Putting the same games out" (sony as well) keep in mind the cultural views of its home market. Most Japanese still listen to the same music and stories and uphold the traditions of ages past. Those who show up as "Otaku's" or into rap, rock, etc are referd to in mainstream Japanese Society as "delinquent youths" among more racially charged titles and face wide spread stigmata. You don't see this publically however for the most given the tradition of saviing face.

Also the Chinese, and Pan Asian Market is gaining steam and growing steedly, now from a money making point of view what they are doing (Sony and Nintendo) makes sense.. On how they arn't changing, they can soon sell to a much larger and less demanding market, in fact if you look globally, the X box tends to be well used in Europe, and North America. Sony is Asia and Africa heavy, as is Nintendo, with both having a small market in Europe, and a shrinking one in North America. And the Asian and African Market Microsoft has yet to have any luck in.

South America tends to be ignored funny enough. But for the first time ever "Asia" market isn't just Japan and Korea anymore, its China, India, Vietnam, Malayasia, even Iran, etc. And given recent current events I think the leaders there would prefer consoles as a means to distract the masses versus PC's given the trouble they have caused. In China blogging services may be pulled ot at least will be monitored 24/7 and now with its trade clout swinging heavily from the US to Russia, South East Asia, and Africa it may be free to deal with this situation in a more .."traditional manner", and South Korea even has all who use the net in the country registerd with there social ID's for enforcement.

America is also pondering such changes. Europe is as Europe always is.

But we make the assumption that our market is the only one and we are "Owed" something. Soon the world may look like nothing how we remember it or see it, and the rest of the world due to western defualts in North America and Europe have allowed the thrid and 2nd world to catch up, in fact for the first time in ages in the US, Canada, and Western Europe, slum towns are in Cities, illiteracy is back. And our vaunted military might is a ghost of its former self.

So with less difficult markets who are on the rise "even if its only as ours are falling" why should they change anything if a bigger base is happy? In fact It would not surprise me if by 2017 we have Atari back in the console game, and a Chinese company as well. Given Japans failures of social changes from iindustrialization, versus population collapse they won't be able to hold the edge they do now. The future is funny like that.

One day your top of the world, a few years later your trying to hold it all together.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:23 .


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good point above. Whoever taps into the growing Chinese market will win. With the rise of the Chinese middle class, which is the LARGEST IN HUMAN HISTORY, whoever can gain a foothold onto that gaming market will reap unimaginable benefits.

Nintendo should be aiming squarely for China this upcoming generation. You have over a billion people and with a 9-10 percent GDP growth rate, that's a lot of moolah

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The only Concern there is that the Chinese over the toddler event are for the most turning against capitilism now and the government is investing heavily in promoting Chinese Culture, national pride, and morals. (Coupled with containing if not crushing the blogsphear nvm the looming solar events of 2013) So unless it keeps to a low end market I doubt you'll see a dramaic rise in consumerisim, maybe a regression. However this won't hurt Chinese economic growth as they have moved away from the American Market and more toward the regions around it. So long as Europe plays and the US plays hard ball with every "Tyrant" or government that doesn't bow to its whishes (such as Russia, most of the mid east, africa and south east asia) those trade pacts will be the new life line, simular to how Canada and the UK share favored Trade Status with America.

Then with other events the future right now is rather unpredictable to an extent. But if anyone does well in China, it will be a home grown company in resurgant Chinese Nationalism. Reguardless I don't see western titles doing well or even adult titles unless its something keeping in line with new party and national policy.

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chrisuuuu wrote...

good point above. Whoever taps into the growing Chinese market will win. With the rise of the Chinese middle class, which is the LARGEST IN HUMAN HISTORY, whoever can gain a foothold onto that gaming market will reap unimaginable benefits.

Nintendo should be aiming squarely for China this upcoming generation. You have over a billion people and with a 9-10 percent GDP growth rate, that's a lot of moolah


Despite the massive population and booming economy, China has always been a relatively small market for retail media, such as DVDs, CDs and games. Media piracy is too ingrained in the consumer culture.

 

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All good points but the homegrown game market is either nonexistent or pretty bad I'm sure. The growing middle class I'm sure wants the trappings of luxury. I read about tons of high end fashion brands like Louis Vuitton and Prada launching huge asian flagship stores in Shanghai and elsewhere in the mainland. And what about all the Apple stores opening up in China? I think right now GM is the #1 selling car brand in China and GM's sales in China have helped the company stay afloat during the last couple of years.

When the middle class starts to want and demand more, the government will have to kowtow. But yeah I don't know how they will deal with piracy. That's a tough one

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GodWood wrote...

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Well, good.

Let's hope it's the beginning of the end for 'em.

This.

Nintendo has become a blight on the game's industry.


And Microsoft and Sony are what?

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I honestly haven't been interested in Nintendo's products since the Super Nintendo. I bought a N64 but only for Ocarina of Time and it really wasn't worth it to me. They stuck to cartridge systems for so long they missed out on all the advantages of CD and DVD technology for years. Nintendo has been innovative in some ways, but has lagged behind in others. Luckily they collected a huge amount of money from the NES, SNES and Gameboy in the 80s and 90s.

The Wii is/was a great idea, but even I noticed in my teenage years that Nintendo was losing developer support due to their sticking to cartridge game formats and lagged behind in graphics with the N64. Sure they had their own franchises with Zelda, Metroid, Mario and Starfox but those only go so far. They kind of ignored certain types of players with the N64, skipping out on certain genres and only having a couple of titles in those areas. It seemed to me like they focused on kids games or sports games mostly. Being an action, roleplaying, fighting game and racing game fan, Nintendo just has missed me completely for years. Even though the motion controls for the Wii are interesting to me, the control is sometimes awkward and the depth of gameplay is shallow for over half the games I've tried. Plus, it's hard to port games to the Wii due to their special control scheme and limitations on graphics. I was thinking about buying a 3DS this Summer but never did, there just is so little developer support for it that I might as well wait for the Sony Vita.

I would love to see Nintendo "conform" somewhat to the standards of Sony and Microsoft's hardware on the next generation of systems so it would be easier for developers to port titles to all three consoles...yet I also hope Nintendo can innovate and push in their own dependant directions. It's a fine line to walk but I have no say in it of course so I don't let it keep me up at nights.