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[Gervaise]

I know I have defended the Arishok's armour (or lack of it) in another post on the basis that the armour he uses is appropriate to the fighting style he seems to follow.  However, was reading about the original Qunari invasion again today and was struck by the reference to their shining steel armour and the implication seemed to be that it was superior make to what the rest of Thedas used at least at that time.   So what happened to it? 

I can see why generally the Arishok and his men might not be dressed up in their armor but surely they would have brought it with them (or did it go down with their ship?)  Normally they would have brought a blacksmith with them to do running repairs, so unless he drowned too, you'd think after three years he would have been able to knock together a suitable replacement from available materials at least for the Arishok.    Don't get me wrong, I still think they look awesome as they are but I'm just intrieged as to what real Qunari armour looks like since it obviously made a big impression on historians.

[esper]

I want to see how qunari amour looks too, but giving the fact that they had to swin into shore during a storm is it very reasonable to shed anything metal. As for an armourer. It was a fetch mission they was on, I doubt they brought a blacksmith for that.

[Gervaise]

If they weren't expecting trouble, why send the Arishok himself, his honour guard and a big enough contingent of soldiers that he could imagine he could conquer the city? It is a long voyage from Par Vollen and the sea can be very unpredictable at the best of times, partcularly when you are in an unfamilier stretch of water. When you are that far from home base it is always wise to have back up facilities and personnel, just in case you should end up having to march through hostile territory. Also are all the Tal'Vashoth we meet deserters from his group? The ones on the Wounded Coast probably were but what about those accompanying Salit? You'd think at least some of them might have taken their armor with them when they left.
Still I suppose we'll have to wait for a proper invasion before we see the Qunari in all their glory.

[KJandrew]

Yeah i could accept the fact that the Arishok and his men didn't have armour as that kind of stuff tends to get thrown pretty quickly if the ship is sinking but when we have people like Salit and those other Tal-Vasoth in the mountains going bare chested it just kind of grates me slightly

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Maybe that faction of Tal'Vashoth abandoned their armor because it reminded them of the Qun?

[ReallyRue]

Gervaise wrote...

If they weren't expecting trouble, why send the Arishok himself, his honour guard and a big enough contingent of soldiers that he could imagine he could conquer the city? It is a long voyage from Par Vollen and the sea can be very unpredictable at the best of times, partcularly when you are in an unfamilier stretch of water. When you are that far from home base it is always wise to have back up facilities and personnel, just in case you should end up having to march through hostile territory. Also are all the Tal'Vashoth we meet deserters from his group? The ones on the Wounded Coast probably were but what about those accompanying Salit? You'd think at least some of them might have taken their armor with them when they left.
Still I suppose we'll have to wait for a proper invasion before we see the Qunari in all their glory.

Well, it was pretty much their Bible that they wanted him to retrieve. I imagine it would have been dishonourable or something to just send someone low-ranking.

[esper]

KJandrew wrote...

Yeah i could accept the fact that the Arishok and his men didn't have armour as that kind of stuff tends to get thrown pretty quickly if the ship is sinking but when we have people like Salit and those other Tal-Vasoth in the mountains going bare chested it just kind of grates me slightly

You are right about Salit. Perhaps Qunaries just decided to drop armor making after the last war because... the qun says so

[Heimdall]

I'm pretty sure it's a retcon and I don't expect to see anymore armored Qunari any time soon.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That is also possible. But I'd prefer to think they just didn't bring them until we're specifically informed otherwise.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 27 octobre 2011 - 11:14 .

[Heimdall]

Fair enough, I think it was just part of the new art style though.

[tmp7704]

When people complained before DA2 was launched that qunari without armour are stupid looking and how dumb the whole fighting naked thing would be, Mr.Laidlaw replied with remark heavy metal like that would make it difficult to swim in, instead of "It's new art style, deal with it". So it's possible they're still reserving the possibility of qunari showing up more heavily armoured down the road.

The Tal-Vashoth and such also lacking armour may make sense if these kossith come originally from the compound in Kirkwall. Don't know if the same can apply to the DLC guys, tho.

[JJDrakken]

It's because the writers never really thought it full through, they just throw **** out there & forget what they wrote. Let's be honest, half time, nothing makes any sense or have any connection. Rectcon seems to be the fanfare these days, to make it easier on them.


JJ

[TEWR]

Gervaise wrote...

I know I have defended the Arishok's armour (or lack of it) in another post on the basis that the armour he uses is appropriate to the fighting style he seems to follow.  However, was reading about the original Qunari invasion again today and was struck by the reference to their shining steel armour and the implication seemed to be that it was superior make to what the rest of Thedas used at least at that time.   So what happened to it? 

I can see why generally the Arishok and his men might not be dressed up in their armor but surely they would have brought it with them (or did it go down with their ship?)  Normally they would have brought a blacksmith with them to do running repairs, so unless he drowned too, you'd think after three years he would have been able to knock together a suitable replacement from available materials at least for the Arishok.    Don't get me wrong, I still think they look awesome as they are but I'm just intrieged as to what real Qunari armour looks like since it obviously made a big impression on historians.

Armor doesn't float and they were shipwrecked. They probably abandoned it when their ship got caught in the storm.

[TEWR]

tmp7704 wrote...

When people complained before DA2 was launched that qunari without armour are stupid looking and how dumb the whole fighting naked thing would be, Mr.Laidlaw replied with remark heavy metal like that would make it difficult to swim in, instead of "It's new art style, deal with it". So it's possible they're still reserving the possibility of qunari showing up more heavily armoured down the road.

The Tal-Vashoth and such also lacking armour may make sense if these kossith come originally from the compound in Kirkwall. Don't know if the same can apply to the DLC guys, tho.

Yea the Tal-Vashoth were defectors from the Arishok's detachment. Well, all of them except for MotA. But wasn't the Tal-Vashoth commander that Tallis interrogates a bit more heavily armored?

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Yea the Tal-Vashoth were defectors from the Arishok's detachment. Well, all of them except for MotA. But wasn't the Tal-Vashoth commander that Tallis interrogates a bit more heavily armored?

The Tal-Vashoth guy gets custom model that's not exactly like armour but some sort of protective clothing nonetheless, yeah.

Wish it didn't so slavishly follow the DA2 colour scheme though. At some point one has it up to here with the shades of black/red/off-white(/yellow)

Modifié par tmp7704, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:03 .

[Gervaise]

Well I suppose there may also be another answer - since Par Vollen is an island, as is Seheron, may be they have run out of the raw materials to make the armour. The original stuff perhaps was brought with them from wherever they originated. So until they find/conquer a new source, their best equipment is held in reserve - thinking about it again I realise they were meant to be working to the peace treaty and so breaking out their shiny armour might be viewed by the rest of Thedas as a violation of this. In that case, the Arishok and his company were wearing their offcial gear for non hostile situations - makes you think doesn't it! If we do ever see a full battle ready squad of Qunari, I hope that at least the elite soldiers will have the proper gear, for variety if nothing else.

[Arthur Cousland]

You'd think that after being stranded in the Free Marches for over 3 years, the Arishok and co. would have found some replacement armor, if they weren't too proud to wear it.

That body paint must have some special kind of armor boosting effect, or the Kossith are so badass that they don't need armor, much like the Spartans in 300.

[Aradace]

For the record, the Qunari arent a race....it's essentially a "religion". The actual race you're referring to is the Kossith. Just sayin'

[Zanallen]

Well, the kossith in Kirkwall were shipwrecked and stranded. Their armor was most likely lost to the sea. Their large size would make it unlikely that they could hobble together any armor they found in Kirkwall and I doubt they had much in the way of funds to have armor crafted for them. Plus, I don't think the Viscount would have allowed a foreign army to re-equip themselves from the foundries of Kirkwall. They could have smuggled armor, but that would incur an ever greater cost.

Edit: The kossith in MotA were not originally soldiers, right? They were of the priesthood, right? At least, their leader was. Maybe only members of the actual military have access to armor? It would make sense, given Qunari society.

Modifié par Zanallen, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:41 .

[Wulfram]

You could also ask why they all use spears yet we have a quest to find Qunari swords in Act 3

[KJandrew]

Wulfram wrote...

You could also ask why they all use spears yet we have a quest to find Qunari swords in Act 3

Stens and Arvaards use swords

[SkittlesKat96]

Maybe it looks the armor those generic enemy Qunari Mercs in DA:O wore?

I doubt it since all it was was a bigger version of a piece of generic heavy plate armor the game already had...but it might look similar to that.

It might look like a much more massive version of Loghain's armor but with horns on the helmet and maybe paintings or different linings/carvings on it

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:30 .