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[tobynator89]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

To anyone interested, MovieBob did an excellent video on this recently:
http://www.escapistm...19-Gender-Games

tobynator89 wrote...

being a soldier is to be masculine in your everyday behaviour. plain and simple. Having served with female soldiers I know this all too well. They either man up or tend to become useless community bicycles. Sad but true. Ask any soldier today and you will hear the same tale.

Our squad MG was an example (and the only one I know of) that had what it took to truly be an infantryman. The strength, the speed, and the sheer endurance that being a soldier requires. And boy, at the end of it she was as no-nonsense efficency, boisterous tough guy as the rest of us.

A fair point I suppose, though I would point out that this is a fantasy videogame.

I personally am certain that when viewed from behind, this female still walked differently. It's just a part of nature.

 We're not talking movement, we're talking behaviour.

[onelifecrisis]

D.Kain wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

A fair point I suppose, though I would point out that this is a fantasy videogame.

Well then let everybody have wings and fly, who cares about walking..

I think you're rather missing the point of what I was saying.
Take paragon Shepard for example. S/he does a lot of things that would likely lead to failure IRL. But some people like playing paragon because they like the fantasy that a hero can be heroic and still beat the odds. Similarly, I think some people like the idea that Femshep can be feminine (not necessarily in an exaggerated way) and still kick ass / have a complex character / etc.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I personally am certain that when viewed from behind, this female still walked differently. It's just a part of nature.

I totally agree, but I had quite the debate on that already and it's one of those arguments where people (well some people anyway) are so determined to belive what they want to believe that nothing will sway them. They insist that the shape of the pelvis has nothing to do with how people walk, despite the overwheling evidence to the contrary.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:50 .

[D.Kain]

tobynator89 wrote...

But what sort of point is that? Surely it's important for a story focused game to have good realistic characterization including taking backgrounds into account? It's not as if we're mixing highschool and military like in FFVIII?

Yes I agree the story is important. It is about Sheaprd being in the military. Where a mage from a circle in DA for example could be feminine and flamboyant both female and male.

[onelifecrisis]

tobynator89 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

To anyone interested, MovieBob did an excellent video on this recently:
http://www.escapistm...19-Gender-Games

tobynator89 wrote...

being a soldier is to be masculine in your everyday behaviour. plain and simple. Having served with female soldiers I know this all too well. They either man up or tend to become useless community bicycles. Sad but true. Ask any soldier today and you will hear the same tale.

Our squad MG was an example (and the only one I know of) that had what it took to truly be an infantryman. The strength, the speed, and the sheer endurance that being a soldier requires. And boy, at the end of it she was as no-nonsense efficency, boisterous tough guy as the rest of us.

A fair point I suppose, though I would point out that this is a fantasy videogame.

I personally am certain that when viewed from behind, this female still walked differently. It's just a part of nature.

 We're not talking movement, we're talking behaviour.

Er... did you even read the OP?

[onelifecrisis]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

TROLL SPOTTED.

Agreed. OP obviously trolling and obviously not a FemShep fan.

Oh god, not the "you're not a real fan" argument.

"I love you, but I hate everything that you are!" Doesn't really work on fictional characters.

It's like saying "I love pizza, except I think the bread should be only 1/10th the size, a lot thinner, and actually flatbread; and the topping should be made seperately with less or no cheese and sprinkled onto the bread in the end." Well then go have some tacos, pizza obviously ain't for you.

So if the walking/sitting animations change there's nothing left huh? I guess BW should fire Hale, and all of their facial animation staff as well, since they're apparently adding nothing to the character.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[D.Kain]

 Hey, I just remembered a game that had perfect unisex walking animation - Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.
Check out how how she walks. And the male animation was the same. 

[tobynator89]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

 We're not talking movement, we're talking behaviour.

Were you a friend of this girl? You can't really say how she acted all the time unless you were, she wouldn't have opened up around you.

When you're stuck on a military base known as mordor by the local populace 3 hours from... well anywhere. You either socialize or go nuts.

She was my squadmate and I consider her a friend (you pretty much have to become friends with your squad). We basically lived In the same corridor for a year working together basically every day. She cut her hair short, wore no makeup, jewelry or feminine wear when she was in civilian clothes at all. 

Modifié par tobynator89, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:59 .

[tobynator89]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

 We're not talking movement, we're talking behaviour.

Were you a friend of this girl? You can't really say how she acted all the time unless you were, she wouldn't have opened up around you.

When you're stuck on a military base known as mordor by the local populace 3 hours from... well anywhere. You either socialize or go nuts.

She was my squadmate and I consider her a friend (you pretty much have to become friends with your squad). We basically lived In the same corridor for a year working together basically every day. She cut her hair short, wore no makeup, jewelry or feminine wear when she was in civilian clothes at all. 

Please don't take this wrong, but was she a lesbian? That might have affected her behavior.

I assure you she was not. Trust me on this one.

[onelifecrisis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Please don't take this wrong, but was she a lesbian? That might have affected her behavior.

You, sir, have balls.

*grabs popcorn*

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Please don't take this wrong, but was she a lesbian? That might have affected her behavior.

THIS is wrong. Lesbian/Gay and Feminine/Masculine are two different worlds.

[JeffZero]

Nononono.

[Ghost Lightning]

I think femshep should walk a little less man like. Other than that I don't really care much cause I usu play manshep. But seriously, dem animations need to change.

[Ghost Lightning]

onelifecrisis wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Please don't take this wrong, but was she a lesbian? That might have affected her behavior.

You, sir, have balls.

*grabs popcorn*

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

lol, that sounds like experience...

Okay, but did she really act EXACTLY like the guys? Like totally the same?

You seem to have an issue with manly/unfeminine women.

You wouldn't like me in real life.

[GMagnum]

um wtf is dis thread even talking about anymore

im p. sure theres no time to act girly considering da galaxy is bout to be destroyed

[JeffZero]

GMagnum wrote...

um wtf is dis thread even talking about anymore

im p. sure theres no time to act girly considering da galaxy is bout to be destroyed

You tell 'em man.

[D.Kain]

I think that Shepard is still a pre-set character. People should understand that he/she is not completely under their control and that it is in Bioware hands.

[tobynator89]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

I assure you she was not. Trust me on this one.

lol, that sounds like experience...

Okay, but did she really act EXACTLY like the guys? Like totally the same?

Attitude wise yes, I'd say so. Exactly? no. Although "like the guys" is a pretty broad statement in such diverse bunch. She didn't oil herself up in front of a mirror regularly like some of the guys i knew did and neither did she collect WH40k like some other people did.

Here is a video of our platoon in case you have doubts.

www.youtube.com/watch