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[Elhanan]

Cyberarmy wrote...

İ think you can create 4-5 characters per server, but  i dont know if you can open both Empire and Republic on same PvP server.

For your griefing solution first of all you can roll on a PvE server and never be involved in a PVP situation.

If you really want to roll on a PvP server, roll with your friends, do quests and dungeons with them and when some very high leveled/overpowered enemy start to "grief" you, call for help. PvP servers have usually worldwide channells that ever player can read. Some griefer haters like me WILL come you help and start to griefing them. Then they'll call for help, and we call for more, they call for more etc.etc. then 5th Galactic War had begun
Thats the treat and fun of the PvP servers, unlimited chaos never ending battles. Ultime showdown of the universe.

While PvP servers are filled with griefing pricks/bullies, it also got giefer haters and protectors so if you are going to play this MMO right (with people in gropus ) there wont be any problems.

Those Q_Q inq posters about griefers in forums are usually players who quest alone and the ones that never calls for help.

I hope you have fun playing ToR.

BTW already tried game in a BETA weekend thanks to one of my lucky friends, this game gonna cost us us some months :(s

I was priviliged to beta a couple of weekends, and am happy my Twitchless fingers are able to handle some of the mechanics failrly well. Since then I have planned which classes and general paths I will select; waiting for release is the difficult part now.

As for Griefers, I hope to see some rules and regs on the subject before launch. I am encouraging other players to report violations, take Screenies or vid shots, attach them and let Bioware handle the issue. Reciprocity may seem like a in-game method of dealing with the issue, but it has proven itself not to be a solution. And I find it best to deal with vermin of all sorts quickly before their numbers grow.

See ya in space!

[Fishy]

I played Ultima Online  in 1999
I played DAOC in 2001-2006
I played Age of Conan for 2 month!!!
I played WarHammer online for 3 month (Plus the beta)
I played World of warcraft for 4-5 month .
I played some free UO shard

So yes I played a lot of MMORPG .

I know too well what's griefing and Ninja'ing. I been griefed 1 time really  in DAOC and several time in UO.
In DAOC it's was some guy that just followed me for over an hours LOL . He was STALKING ME!!!!! I never understood why .. In UO .. The Horror. Griefing and ganking everywhere! I remember being griefed  in UO  SO HARDthat I was so pissed that I stopped completely. I lost all my stuff that day. My house and everything.

In DAOC gank group were a pain in the ass if you were in a PUG. Most of them used  hack like radar and third party program also. They  would build the best possible setup and buffed always to the gills .. Also because they used stuff like ventrillo (at the time not many people used voice-chat) and most of them were sleeping in the same frigging dorm that gave them advantage.

OR gank squad of10 Infiltrator dragon fang spammer camping milegates(choke point in the RVR frontier).. Annoying. That was long ago though.
I completely stopped mmorpg when my   daoc mates stopped. I had so much fun back in the day.

Sniffles.

I think DAOC player were really the one starting the gank group thing in mmorpg. IN UO you had PVP but not like Daoc. No game has ever been so good at pvp than daoc. If you were not here in 2001-2004 you can't understand the awesomeness of this game back in the day.

Epic back in the day

This video is so frigging old.

Modifié par Suprez30, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[RPGamer13]

You're talking like there's ways to grief on PvE servers, how is that even possible?

[marshalleck]

Not sure why Elhanan keeps posting in this thread unless it's to troll, he's been told about a hundred times by now that rolling on a PVE server will alleviate every single one of his concerns.

[Elhanan]

Here are a few non-PvP examples of Griefing:

Any methods of reversing another player's progress (such as randomly destroying other player's creations in Minecraft or Terraria)

Written and/or verbal insults, false accusations of cheating/griefing

Stealing other players' items and/or experience (when done for the purpose of harassment, not self-gain)

Spamming

Acting out-of-character in a role-play setting

Luring many monsters or one big one to chase the griefer and then rushing to where others are, for the purpose of getting other people killed by this surprise mass of monsters. The line of monsters in pursuit looks like a train, and hence this is sometimes called "training"

Hope these help!

[marshalleck]

So basically you're redefining "griefing" as any behavior which another player may not like?

Nobody is going to be able to play TOR if Bioware take a hardline approach to stopping your "griefing" then, because every single last player will end up banned with all their characters deleted.

"You're selling this item on the auction house for way too much money and I need it but can't afford it, you're griefing me! Reported!"

"I wanted to join your high level raid guild and get lots of nice items even though I am terribly unprepared for that content myself, and you refuse to carry me through! You're griefing me! Reported!"

"I don't like how your character's armor looks cooler than mine, you're griefing me! Reported!"

Elhanan is the ultimate whining carebear. This is the guy that validates the stereotype of PVE-server-only players being big crying babies.

Modifié par marshalleck, 01 novembre 2011 - 06:16 .

[Elhanan]

Griefing:

1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game.

2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.

3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics.

No redefinition required. Also see Wiki link posted earlier. Thanks!

[xkg]

marshalleck wrote...

Not sure why Elhanan keeps posting in this thread unless it's to troll, he's been told about a hundred times by now that rolling on a PVE server will alleviate every single one of his concerns.

Yeah but seriously it is nothing compared to how hard he is trolling the SWTOR forums.
For example this thread:
http://www.swtor.com...ad.php?t=574864

Someone even made suggestion to ban him. Looks like that thread was deleted but you can still read it  from google cache:

http://webcache.goog...ad.php?t=572561

Modifié par xkg, 01 novembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[marshalleck]

Elhanan wrote...

No redefinition required. Also see Wiki link posted earlier. Thanks!

I don't need a wiki link to see you have no idea what you're talking about. This thread (and the others linked) are proof enough. 

[Elhanan]

Let Bioware and the folks decide which kind of Players they want in their games; examples are seemingly easy to find.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Let Bioware and the folks decide which kind of Players they want in their games; examples are seemingly easy to find.

Are the majority of responses on TOR forums claiming your a troll? 

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...
Are the majority of responses on TOR forums claiming your a troll? 

Not by a long shot. Loghain supporters far outnumber these numbers!

As may have been noticed, the thread asking for my removal was closed quickly. The other thread on Ganking (and discussions on Griefing) has been around a few times; closed for length and re-opened before I started posting and after. My own thread Suggesting for the ban of Griefers was closed, so I continue to vocalize my opposition to Griefing as the subject appears.

Many replies opposing my POV are much like your own; mainly a difference of what is defined as Griefing, Once SWTOR has publically posted what these rules and policies are going to be, the common ground of those crossing boundaries as Griefers will remain.

Then there are the ones that oppose restrictions; seem to believe in total freedom without responsibility. That too shall pass, as the TOS and Rules of Conduct will be used to insure that some rules are in place.

And some actually agree with me, in that there can be game play - be it PvP or not - that should be Grief Free.

As for Griefers themselves; not too concerned about them, and plan to let Bioware handle their accounts. I am responsible for my own actions, and plan to report Griefer violations when seen, and encourage others to do the same.

It should not be too difficult to look at the threads themselves to notice the posters for the type of Players they represent, and hopefully Bioware and the folks are able to choose which ones they want as past of the community.

Modifié par Elhanan, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[BadgerladDK]

Hehe... As someone fast approaching 6 years in Eve without my accounts ever going inactive, I'm bemused as well as amused by this talk of "flagging for pvp" and "pve servers"... So cute.

[Han Shot First]

Ganking is totally legitimate in my opinion, so long as it makes sense within the game's lore. Sure it might suck for the solo player who gets jumped and killed by three members of the opposing faction, but if the people who killed him are in a faction that his faction is at war with, it makes sense. In SWTOR for example would it make much sense for 3 Sith to allow a solo Jedi to pass by unharmed, simply because he's outnumbered?

[Elhanan]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ganking is totally legitimate in my opinion, so long as it makes sense within the game's lore. Sure it might suck for the solo player who gets jumped and killed by three members of the opposing faction, but if the people who killed him are in a faction that his faction is at war with, it makes sense. In SWTOR for example would it make much sense for 3 Sith to allow a solo Jedi to pass by unharmed, simply because he's outnumbered?

Nope, but 3-1 odds should not gain a reward either, IMO. And stalking the Jedi to continually kill the would be victim repeatedly seems to be Griefing; my focus here and working on getting it removed.

Ganking is legit, and will occur in SWTOR. Hopefully, Griefing will not be tolerated.

[Cyberarmy]

Larg_Kellein wrote...

Hehe... As someone fast approaching 6 years in Eve without my accounts ever going inactive, I'm bemused as well as amused by this talk of "flagging for pvp" and "pve servers"... So cute.

I remember the day that my escape pod got attacked and i havent been cloned myself for a long time.

Good and fun times!

[Elhanan]

Corpse camping is seemingly removed from the game, as there are at least two methods of Raising yourself implemented; still waiting on official word of site camping and other rules concerning Griefing.

And the current news is that there will be four server types: PvE, PvP, RP/ PvE, and RP/ PvP. Personally I am choosing PvE, as I plan to play mostly for story and solo content. Hopefully all will be Grief Free at launch, so those getting in early on Dec 15th will not create too much noise.

[Lukertin]

Griefing is part of the game. Higher levels griefing low level players is lame but doing it to players of equal level is an enjoyable aspect of the game. Go away.

[Elhanan]

Lukertin wrote...

Griefing is part of the game. Higher levels griefing low level players is lame but doing it to players of equal level is an enjoyable aspect of the game. Go away.

Polite, ain't we? I shall decline your kind offer, and point you to the definitions posted in and around the OP.

Have a safe trip!

[Lukertin]

Elhanan wrote...
Polite, ain't we? I shall decline your kind offer, and point you to the definitions posted in and around the OP.

No.

[Elhanan]

Lukertin wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
Polite, ain't we? I shall decline your kind offer, and point you to the definitions posted in and around the OP.

No.

Since the only question was on the nature of manners, I might agree....