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[Thompson family]

I don't see how BW can give enough information to allay the fears expressed on this thread without giving the whole story away.

[Iakus]

Thompson family wrote...

I don't see how BW can give enough information to allay the fears expressed on this thread without giving the whole story away.

Questions which, if answered, could ease my fears as to the "optional" status of mp:

Will there be quests which award War Assets as well as purely "optional' ones which do not?

Are quests that award War Assets typically found on or off "the beaten path?"

Will quests with War Assets as rewards be listed as "missions" or as "assignments" or both?

Will there be options for a "single player version" of multiplayer missons?  In other words, will there be alternate missions one can do sp as Shepard not available if you do the multiplayer mission.

Then there's the whole question of soloability/bots in mp, of course.

These might be pushing it to ask:

"What percentage of needed War Assets can potentially (ie, best case scenerio) be awarded through MP?"

"Could you elaborate on how "completionist" one must be to earn enough War Assets purely through single player?  More than half the missions?  Three quarters?  90%?

[Someone With Mass]

What the majority of people on this whole forum apparently utterly fails to comprehend before hoping on the whaaambulance is that you need more than readiness to beat the Reapers.

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

What the majority of people on this whole forum apparently utterly fails to comprehend before hoping on the whaaambulance is that you need more than readiness to beat the Reapers.

You also need more than a tech expert to beat the Collectors.

But you still need a tech expert.

[Someone With Mass]

iakus wrote...

You also need more than a tech expert to beat the Collectors.

But you still need a tech expert.

No. You don't. You can get through just fine without the tech expert. Sure, some people will die, but you can beat the Collectors without them.

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

iakus wrote...

You also need more than a tech expert to beat the Collectors.

But you still need a tech expert.

No. You don't. You can get through just fine without the tech expert. Sure, some people will die, but you can beat the Collectors without them.

I misspoke.  You need more than a tech expert to beat the Collectors and get the optimal ending

But you still need the tech expert.

[StarcloudSWG]

"Multiplayer development does not affect single-player development"

This is a blatant lie.

You see, every project has a budget. Everything to do with that project gets charged to that budget. It doesn't matter how many studios are working on the project, it's still all charged to that project's budget.

Now, maybe they increased the budget so they could fit multiplayer in. This is what I hope happened. Or they discovered they had room in the budget to fit the multiplayer mode in.

But to say it doesn't affect the single-player development teams at all is a lie. It takes away from the resources allocated to the project.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, I doubt it could've made a game changing difference if they hadn't decided to include multiplayer.

Not to mention that everyone talks as if they're just twelve dudes in a basement that are living on tucked away bills.

They aren't. They really aren't.

[Blazenor]

Thompson family wrote...

Quole wrote...

exactly. I try to explain that but people dont understand.

I'll repeat:

We don't understand because it has been clearly stated by BioWare (See Bioware TV or any of numerous news articles on the subject) that the OPTIONS ARE to

a.) Play multiplayer, or
b.) Do side missions

if you want to get the "best" ending.

So you don't want to play multiplayer to get the "best" ending. OK. You do whatever side missions are required. How is this worse (or even different) than ME2, where you have to complete all the recuitment missions and do all the loyalty missions to get the "best" ending?

I'm a little late and didn't really go further than this but, I believe you can do some of both and not one or the other. 

[Blazenor]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

"Multiplayer development does not affect single-player development"

This is a blatant lie.

You see, every project has a budget. Everything to do with that project gets charged to that budget. It doesn't matter how many studios are working on the project, it's still all charged to that project's budget.

Now, maybe they increased the budget so they could fit multiplayer in. This is what I hope happened. Or they discovered they had room in the budget to fit the multiplayer mode in.

But to say it doesn't affect the single-player development teams at all is a lie. It takes away from the resources allocated to the project.

This may be true but multiplayer was something they wanted to do since Mass Effect 1 but they didn't put it in until now (at least that what was said) , if you believe them or not.  I wish I could find the link.   Now multiplayer for Mass Effect 3 was in the budget from the start so one did not affect the other because it was planned from the start.

[TheRealJayDee]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

"Multiplayer development does not affect single-player development"

This is a blatant lie.

Since we are talking about an MP with the ubercool special feature of being directly connected to the singleplayer campaign, yeah, most likely.

[YouthCultureForever]

"I want to be forced to play optional side quests that effect the campaign, but I don't want an optional multiplayer mode - that ultimately may or may not effect the campaign - to even exist."

C'mon guys. If you don't want to play MP, don't install it. That's as optional as it gets.

[Iakus]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

"I want to be forced to play optional side quests that effect the campaign, but I don't want an optional multiplayer mode - that ultimately may or may not effect the campaign - to even exist."

C'mon guys. If you don't want to play MP, don't install it. That's as optional as it gets.

I'd be so happy if that turns out to be the case

[sympathyforsaren]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I don't see how BW can give enough information to allay the fears expressed on this thread without giving the whole story away.

Not like they'd tell the truth anyway.

Either that or its so watery from the focus on gunzzzzzz and energy swords that they don't want to show it.

After Dragon Age 2, who knows what they'll do.

[YouthCultureForever]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

"I want to be forced to play optional side quests that effect the campaign, but I don't want an optional multiplayer mode - that ultimately may or may not effect the campaign - to even exist."

C'mon guys. If you don't want to play MP, don't install it. That's as optional as it gets.

I'd be so happy if that turns out to be the case

You may get your wish. I'm paraphrasing what I've read in this thread in the quotations, but don't you think this is all a little nutty?

[Iakus]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

You may get your wish. I'm paraphrasing what I've read in this thread in the quotations, but don't you think this is all a little nutty?

You sure you're not just reading my sig?   Separate disk or download is best case scenerio for me.

[YouthCultureForever]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

You may get your wish. I'm paraphrasing what I've read in this thread in the quotations, but don't you think this is all a little nutty?

You sure you're not just reading my sig?   Separate disk or download is best case scenerio for me.

So you agree with the logic of forcing players to do [traditionally optional] side quests and eliminating altogether from the disc an optional game mode? It's crazy talk.

[Iakus]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

So you agree with the logic of forcing players to do [traditionally optional] side quests and eliminating altogether from the disc an optional game mode? It's crazy talk.

I'm in favor of putting the mp components on a separate disk to be installed or not as the player wishes.

I'm ambivalent about "forcing" players to do side quests, as the definition of what a "side quest" is in Mass Effect seems to be a bit muddled.

For example, were the loyalty missions main or side?  I say main, others disagree.

[sympathyforsaren]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

You may get your wish. I'm paraphrasing what I've read in this thread in the quotations, but don't you think this is all a little nutty?

You sure you're not just reading my sig?   Separate disk or download is best case scenerio for me.

So you agree with the logic of forcing players to do [traditionally optional] side quests and eliminating altogether from the disc an optional game mode? It's crazy talk.

It's also crazy for me to buy into the fact Shepard has any special significance when any old character can do the exact same stuff I'm doing. So wait....Shepard is doing all this all this time, but now at vital moments of the entire trilogy just any old playable character can do the things necessary to somehow defeat the Reapers.

For me, it messes up the roleplaying at its fundamental core.

[YouthCultureForever]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

So you agree with the logic of forcing players to do [traditionally optional] side quests and eliminating altogether from the disc an optional game mode? It's crazy talk.

I'm in favor of putting the mp components on a separate disk to be installed or not as the player wishes.

I'm ambivalent about "forcing" players to do side quests, as the definition of what a "side quest" is in Mass Effect seems to be a bit muddled.

For example, were the loyalty missions main or side?  I say main, others disagree.

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

[Quole]

Why didnt they just make the MP irrelevant to SP? Then less people would be complaining.

[Iakus]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.