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[Someone With Mass]

Quole wrote...

Why didnt they just make the MP irrelevant to SP? Then less people would be complaining.

When it comes to the story, it already is.

People are just getting their panties in a twist because of the possibility that one who might enjoy that multiplayer mode can get something good out of it.

I can get all those readiness points in MP if I so choose. That apparently undermines the weight of the singleplayer for some unexplained reason.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:38 .

[YouthCultureForever]

sympathyforsaren wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

You may get your wish. I'm paraphrasing what I've read in this thread in the quotations, but don't you think this is all a little nutty?

You sure you're not just reading my sig?   Separate disk or download is best case scenerio for me.

So you agree with the logic of forcing players to do [traditionally optional] side quests and eliminating altogether from the disc an optional game mode? It's crazy talk.

It's also crazy for me to buy into the fact Shepard has any special significance when any old character can do the exact same stuff I'm doing. So wait....Shepard is doing all this all this time, but now at vital moments of the entire trilogy just any old playable character can do the things necessary to somehow defeat the Reapers.

For me, it messes up the roleplaying at its fundamental core.

It's not realistic to believe Shepard is the only entity capable of organizing a resistance. The scope of ME3 and the ME Universive is bigger than Shepard's POV so why not mix in a different perspective or two? And beating the Reapers is definitely going to be a Shepard final boss battle type deal. The MP PC is just helping Shep get there. They didn't hijack the Normandy. Calm down.

[Thompson family]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

But to say it doesn't affect the single-player development teams at all is a lie. It takes away from the resources allocated to the project.

Unless the size of the overall budget grew because the developer thought that adding multiplayer would improve sales.

[Thompson family]

iakus wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I don't see how BW can give enough information to allay the fears expressed on this thread without giving the whole story away.

Questions which, if answered, could ease my fears as to the "optional" status of mp:

Will there be quests which award War Assets as well as purely "optional' ones which do not?

Are quests that award War Assets typically found on or off "the beaten path?"

Will quests with War Assets as rewards be listed as "missions" or as "assignments" or both?

Will there be options for a "single player version" of multiplayer missons?  In other words, will there be alternate missions one can do sp as Shepard not available if you do the multiplayer mission.

Then there's the whole question of soloability/bots in mp, of course.

To my mind, iakus, that's a lot of revealing detail. Hopefully I'm wrong and your post will get the attention of someone at BW.

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

Put it like this: Start the single player, finish it, and done. There's your single player trilogy.

Bonus points if you learn how to ignore things you don't like. Turn the other cheek and all that.

[YouthCultureForever]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

It's just not a good enough reason to not add MP. Uncharted 1 was just a SP game. Uncharted 2 added MP and Uncharted 3 will expand upon 2's MP and still boast an amazing campaign. IGN gave it a perfect score. Why shouldn't Bioware add MP to a game? What legitimate reason is there to absolutely not try it?

[spirosz]

jreezy wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

Put it like this: Start the single player, finish it, and done. There's your single player trilogy.

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

How dare you, iakus - shame on you!

[marshalleck]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

How dare you, iakus - shame on you!

But it's so difficult to not scroll down the main menu and start a new co-op game!

[spirosz]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

It's just not a good enough reason to not add MP. Uncharted 1 was just a SP game. Uncharted 2 added MP and Uncharted 3 will expand upon 2's MP and still boast an amazing campaign. IGN gave it a perfect score. Why shouldn't Bioware add MP to a game? What legitimate reason is there to absolutely not try it?

Yeah, Uncharted is known to most for it's SP experience, but it has the addition of a good MP.  Mass Effect 3 and the whole series is going to be known for it's SP, but now ME3 has a new feature, that's it. It's not like adding this feature harms it's SP status, IMO at least, but we won't know till we play it.  As with Uncharted 2, people were skeptical, but when I played it, it blew me away. Yes, it had MP, but it still had a brilliant SP experience.  

I understand where the fears are coming from, but we can only wait and see, maybe this game won't be what you expected, maybe it will. Bioware also has experience with MP, so I have faith in what they're doing, I might not even enjoy the CO-OP, but the SP looks really great so far. 

[Seboist]

I'm hyped up for the multiplayer and consider the campaign optional.

Modifié par Seboist, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[Iakus]

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

It's just not a good enough reason to not add MP. Uncharted 1 was just a SP game. Uncharted 2 added MP and Uncharted 3 will expand upon 2's MP and still boast an amazing campaign. IGN gave it a perfect score. Why shouldn't Bioware add MP to a game? What legitimate reason is there to absolutely not try it?

Because Mass Effect was touted as a trilogy?  Not just three games with the same name except fro a number at the end, but a single continous story told across three games.  One central story, Shepard's Story.  Not some nameless grunt's.  

I have no problerm with a multiplayer game being made at some point, or even a multiplayer expansion.  But adding multiplayer now, at the end of what was supposedly a trilogy in the truest sense of the word, is jumping the gun, a waste of time meant only to get players all starry eyed about ME3 at the very concept.

You say why shouldn't multiplayer be added?  I say why should it?  


Edit:  and to keep the thread somewhat on topic, I'm still not convinced that players won't be "nudged" into mp by making the sp more difficult or tedious than it need be.

Modifié par iakus, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[spirosz]

Seboist wrote...

I'm hyped up for the multiplayer and consider the campaign optional.

That's the spirit, we need more people like this!

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

jreezy wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

Put it like this: Start the single player, finish it, and done. There's your single player trilogy.

Bonus points if you learn how to ignore things you don't like. Turn the other cheek and all that.

You must really like my posts then :innocent:

[Iakus]

Thompson family wrote...

iakus wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I don't see how BW can give enough information to allay the fears expressed on this thread without giving the whole story away.

Questions which, if answered, could ease my fears as to the "optional" status of mp:

Will there be quests which award War Assets as well as purely "optional' ones which do not?

Are quests that award War Assets typically found on or off "the beaten path?"

Will quests with War Assets as rewards be listed as "missions" or as "assignments" or both?

Will there be options for a "single player version" of multiplayer missons?  In other words, will there be alternate missions one can do sp as Shepard not available if you do the multiplayer mission.

Then there's the whole question of soloability/bots in mp, of course.

To my mind, iakus, that's a lot of revealing detail. Hopefully I'm wrong and your post will get the attention of someone at BW.

Don't see how most of those questions would be spoilers.  None of it deals with storyline or characters, just quest structure, mostly.  

I have little hope of any questions being answered, however.  Tehy seem less concerned about easing concerns than hyping the "awesomeness"

[YouthCultureForever]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

It's just not a good enough reason to not add MP. Uncharted 1 was just a SP game. Uncharted 2 added MP and Uncharted 3 will expand upon 2's MP and still boast an amazing campaign. IGN gave it a perfect score. Why shouldn't Bioware add MP to a game? What legitimate reason is there to absolutely not try it?

Because Mass Effect was touted as a trilogy?  Not just three games with the same name except fro a number at the end, but a single continous story told across three games.  One central story, Shepard's Story.  Not some nameless grunt's.  

I have no problerm with a multiplayer game being made at some point, or even a multiplayer expansion.  But adding multiplayer now, at the end of what was supposedly a trilogy in the truest sense of the word, is jumping the gun, a waste of time meant only to get players all starry eyed about ME3 at the very concept.

You say why shouldn't multiplayer be added?  I say why should it?  


Edit:  and to keep the thread somewhat on topic, I'm still not convinced that players won't be "nudged" into mp by making the sp more difficult or tedious than it need be.

ME3 is still part of a trilogy. That hasn't changed with the addition of MP. The MP PC doesn't hijack the Normandy and start commanding the resistance. They play their role in helping Shepard get to the final battle. That's it.

And like I said in another post, the scope of ME3 and the ME Universe is bigger than Shepard's narrow POV. There are other races involved in this conflict. Why not get a feel for the magnitude of the war?

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:29 .

[Blazenor]

Here the real question:

Will there be anytime during your play through the single player content (from start to finish) that bring up the option to enter multiplayer or will multiplayer be something that is chosen from the start menu only?

Now I personally don't have problem with either one, but I'm sure there are some players that might be a little anal about seeing multiplayer option poping up in the middle of their single player run, if that is the case.

[Someone With Mass]

Blazenor wrote...

Here the real question:

Will there be anytime during your play through the single player content (from start to finish) that bring up the option to enter multiplayer or will multiplayer be something that is chosen from the start menu only?

Now I personally don't have problem with either one, but I'm sure there are some players that might be a little anal about seeing multiplayer option poping up in the middle of their single player run, if that is the case.

No.

The MP "campaign" is separate from the SP one, as it'll be visiting places Shepard won't.

[Xeranx]

Blazenor wrote...

Here the real question:

Will there be anytime during your play through the single player content (from start to finish) that bring up the option to enter multiplayer or will multiplayer be something that is chosen from the start menu only?

Now I personally don't have problem with either one, but I'm sure there are some players that might be a little anal about seeing multiplayer option poping up in the middle of their single player run, if that is the case.

You mean like those hints in DA:O regarding DLC you don't have?  I can see it happening, but I don't think many people will be happy about it.

[Blazenor]

Xeranx wrote...

Blazenor wrote...

Here the real question:

Will there be anytime during your play through the single player content (from start to finish) that bring up the option to enter multiplayer or will multiplayer be something that is chosen from the start menu only?

Now I personally don't have problem with either one, but I'm sure there are some players that might be a little anal about seeing multiplayer option poping up in the middle of their single player run, if that is the case.

You mean like those hints in DA:O regarding DLC you don't have?  I can see it happening, but I don't think many people will be happy about it.

Yes, something like that.  Will it be there to remind you that you could launch the multiplayer.

[sympathyforsaren]

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

iakus wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

The fact that you don't want MP to exist on the same disc as the campaign, it sounds like a bunch of single player purist mumbo jumbo.

Yes.  I am a horrible, horrible person to want a single player trilogy to stay single player.  

It's just not a good enough reason to not add MP. Uncharted 1 was just a SP game. Uncharted 2 added MP and Uncharted 3 will expand upon 2's MP and still boast an amazing campaign. IGN gave it a perfect score. Why shouldn't Bioware add MP to a game? What legitimate reason is there to absolutely not try it?

Because Mass Effect was touted as a trilogy?  Not just three games with the same name except fro a number at the end, but a single continous story told across three games.  One central story, Shepard's Story.  Not some nameless grunt's.  

I have no problerm with a multiplayer game being made at some point, or even a multiplayer expansion.  But adding multiplayer now, at the end of what was supposedly a trilogy in the truest sense of the word, is jumping the gun, a waste of time meant only to get players all starry eyed about ME3 at the very concept.

You say why shouldn't multiplayer be added?  I say why should it?  


Edit:  and to keep the thread somewhat on topic, I'm still not convinced that players won't be "nudged" into mp by making the sp more difficult or tedious than it need be.

What I find odd, iakus, is this notion that you or I need to feel bad for our individual reasons against multiplayer, and we must in some way defend them, with barrages of verbal insults from the supporters. That notion is hilarious, and I'm sure you agree with me.

A large portion of the fanbase is disgusted. BioWare and the gaming media are in full out defense and damage control because its generally known this feature is extremely controversial, with the fan base split.

What a freaking shame it is perceived every friggin game in existence in the cosmos needs a little playpen where people shoot at each other, repeatedly and non-stop, with gunzzzzzz! What a waste of time and money, cause you know like me that A.) Casey Hudson will be using time and effort to integrate things around multiplayer and B.) This is why the game was delayed, at least one reason why.

Then, of course, you know like me we were misguided and deceived into thinking multiplayer was a no. No matter what was said or wasn't.

I cannot believe this abomination.

[sympathyforsaren]

Blazenor wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Blazenor wrote...

Here the real question:

Will there be anytime during your play through the single player content (from start to finish) that bring up the option to enter multiplayer or will multiplayer be something that is chosen from the start menu only?

Now I personally don't have problem with either one, but I'm sure there are some players that might be a little anal about seeing multiplayer option poping up in the middle of their single player run, if that is the case.

You mean like those hints in DA:O regarding DLC you don't have?  I can see it happening, but I don't think many people will be happy about it.

Yes, something like that.  Will it be there to remind you that you could launch the multiplayer.

Ugh....I can imagine something, anything....the word multiplayer or co-op...popping up just once on the user interface and disrupting singleplayer with mere mention of the garbage.

Rest assured something like that will probably be in there. Sometimes, dudebros they are trying to cater to have difficulty understanding what to do if its not obvious as a pink elephant

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...

You mean like those hints in DA:O regarding DLC you don't have?  I can see it happening, but I don't think many people will be happy about it.

I do not want Levi Dryden on the Normandy.