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[onelifecrisis]

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Yeah I noticed that too.

[Thompson family]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Now now, be fair Thomson. There are some games/franchises that have in the past suffered distinct drops in SP quality following the introduction of MP. Go google "MP ruined SP" and get a billion trillion results."

And BioWare hasn't learned from other people's mistakes? That's the assumption being made.

Let's get to the real meat of the thing:

I don't think you can say the concerns of the anti-MP crowd are completely without basis. The game isn't out yet, which means you're really not in much of a position to say whether people have "good reason to be offended" by this news. (emphasis added)

And why does this argument not cut both ways?

We have statement after statemet after statement that BioWare has been careful not to preserve the SP experience. If people don't believe them, that's their right, but after the backlash that followed the streamlining of the RPG elements, I think BioWare would be crazy to take risks with SP.

And you have to admit, onelifecrisis, that there is a vocal segment of this forum anxious to complain about anything.

Modifié par Thompson family, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:03 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Talosred wrote...

A old saying from Man in Black makes sense a person is smart, people are dumb.

That sums up why a large number of people get into panic over anything that has mp in it and is how humanity works.

And thanks for the post OP

"A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals and you know it."

Even though that movie was just a comedy, that line is one of my favorite (and imo truest) quotes from a movie ever.

[Vegos]

Is it just me or is this just another veiled hate thread?

...actually, forget it, this is beneath me.

[onelifecrisis]

Thompson family wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Now now, be fair Thomson. There are some games/franchises that have in the past suffered distinct drops in SP quality following the introduction of MP. Go google "MP ruined SP" and get a billion trillion results."

And BioWare hasn't learned from other people's mistakes? That's the assumption being made.

Let's get to the real meat of the thing:

I don't think you can say the concerns of the anti-MP crowd are completely without basis. The game isn't out yet, which means you're really not in much of a position to say whether people have "good reason to be offended" by this news. (emphasis added)

And why does this argument not cut both ways?

We have statement after statemet after statement that BioWare has been careful not to preserve the SP experience. If people don't believe them, that's their right, but after the backlash that followed the streamlining of the RPG elements, I think BioWare would be crazy to take risks with SP.

And you have to admit, onelifecrisis, that there is a vocal segment of this forum anxious to complain about anything.

It does cut both ways. I'm only objecting to you insulting people who are concerned. Personally I'm not going to judge the SP until the game is out. I'm slight concerned by the MP announcement but I'll reserve judgement.


Added in edit:
Surely you will concede that, in general, just because a developer offers assurances that does not mean everyone should be assured.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 28 octobre 2011 - 05:07 .

[Vegos]

And why does this argument not cut both ways?

It does, but a few specific individuals have been getting increasingly obnxoious in "dismissing the claims" anyone else is making.

[GMagnum]

We hit the pavement, dookie bustin all out of my jeans
You hop the fence, so we can get away clean
We hit the dirt, this rottweiler snarlin and smilin
He ripped my pantleg off, a bunch of dookies went flyin

I had to blast, dog brains all in the grass
Mixed with the dookie, yeah man nighty night! Time to smash
Yo we cut through the park, dookies poppin outta my shirt
A hail of bullets from behind, like lead fireworks

Dookie fillin up my sneaks bought to bust, No doubt
Pulled off a Isotoner glove, shook the dookies out
Yo it's a chase, they want us to be chased
Yo duck over here, I gotta ditch some dead dookie weight

[BatmanPWNS]

They just like to say "You don't have to play it" so the Pro-SP fans stop crying, whining and making false threats about cancelling pre-orders.

[BloodyTalon]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Talosred wrote...

A old saying from Man in Black makes sense a person is smart, people are dumb.

That sums up why a large number of people get into panic over anything that has mp in it and is how humanity works.

And thanks for the post OP

"A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals and you know it."

Even though that movie was just a comedy, that line is one of my favorite (and imo truest) quotes from a movie ever.

Thanks for doing the line fully and yup was my favorite line in the movie. Sometimes a commedy has the trustest lines.

[Xeranx]

Magnum, I think we deal enough with your method of speech in text. We don't need those lyrics(?) or the imagery that goes with it. Especially when it's off-topic.

[alex90c]

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

You've just won this entire thread.

[GMagnum]

DATS PRETTY RUDE BRO but ill let u guys discuss da same thing for da millionth time, which will go nowhere and lead up to its inevitable closing

[Homey C-Dawg]

Vegos wrote...

Is it just me or is this just another veiled hate thread?

...actually, forget it, this is beneath me.

It's not really that veiled. I call these "vent threads", for obvious reasons.

It'll probably get closed later today since most of the posts revolve around putting people down.

[Thompson family]

onelifecrisis wrote...

It does cut both ways. I'm only objecting to you insulting people who are concerned. Personally I'm not going to judge the SP until the game is out. I'm slight concerned by the MP announcement but I'll reserve judgement.

Fair enough, onelifecrisis, but I'm also tired of being called a fanboy (not by you, and thanks for that) when I suggest that maybe people are over-reacting.

You don't have to do many of the side missions in ME1. They're optional. You don't even have to do "Lair of the Shadwo Broker" or "Overlord" in ME2. You don't even have to do Legion's loyalty mission in ME2, turning him over to Cerberus. That (I presume) means the Geth will be enemies of Shep in ME3.

BioWare's record is that you can, indeed, ignore large parts of this game. So when they say "MP is optional," I'm very inclined to believe them.

[onelifecrisis]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Is it just me or is this just another veiled hate thread?

...actually, forget it, this is beneath me.

It's not really that veiled. I call these "vent threads", for obvious reasons.

It'll probably get closed later today since most of the posts revolve around putting people down.

Yeah but it'll be fun in the meantime. 

[TheRealJayDee]

dreman9999 wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Because they know their fans......Most  of them hate MP.<_<

You know, I you have to advertise a feature by having to say "you don't have to use it", because you know most your fans don't want it, maybe there's something wrong with including the feature in your game...

[onelifecrisis]

Thompson family wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

It does cut both ways. I'm only objecting to you insulting people who are concerned. Personally I'm not going to judge the SP until the game is out. I'm slight concerned by the MP announcement but I'll reserve judgement.

Fair enough, onelifecrisis, but I'm also tired of being called a fanboy (not by you, and thanks for that) when I suggest that maybe people are over-reacting.

You don't have to do many of the side missions in ME1. They're optional. You don't even have to do "Lair of the Shadwo Broker" or "Overlord" in ME2. You don't even have to do Legion's loyalty mission in ME2, turning him over to Cerberus. That (I presume) means the Geth will be enemies of Shep in ME3.

BioWare's record is that you can, indeed, ignore large parts of this game. So when they say "MP is optional," I'm very inclined to believe them.

For the record, I only made the comment because you're normally reasonable and level-headed. I wouldn't have bothered saying it to someone with a track record of being as ass.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Thompson family wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

It does cut both ways. I'm only objecting to you insulting people who are concerned. Personally I'm not going to judge the SP until the game is out. I'm slight concerned by the MP announcement but I'll reserve judgement.

Fair enough, onelifecrisis, but I'm also tired of being called a fanboy (not by you, and thanks for that) when I suggest that maybe people are over-reacting.

You don't have to do many of the side missions in ME1. They're optional. You don't even have to do "Lair of the Shadwo Broker" or "Overlord" in ME2. You don't even have to do Legion's loyalty mission in ME2, turning him over to Cerberus. That (I presume) means the Geth will be enemies of Shep in ME3.

BioWare's record is that you can, indeed, ignore large parts of this game. So when they say "MP is optional," I'm very inclined to believe them.

To be perfectly blunt, a significant portion of the content in ME2 is optional. You can skip four of seven squadmates altogether, you don't have to do a single loyalty mission, and you don't even have to use any of the upgrades you're given. Then again, this has been a trend with BioWare games recently. Perhaps since the beginning, even.

[AdmiralCheez]

alex90c wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

You've just won this entire thread.

No kidding.

I think all this "don't worry, it's optional" thing is good up to a point, but overdo it and it looks like you're not confident that your product will succeed.

I'm really hoping BW Montreal responds appropriately to all the so-so reviews and gives co-op an overhaul in the four months remaining before it ships.  It's never going to be Gears, but that doesn't mean it can't be awesome.  Up the pacing, add a little more variety in missions, throw in a few deeper story elements, and boom!--successful multiplayer.

[Homey C-Dawg]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Because they know their fans......Most  of them hate MP.<_<

You know, I you have to advertise a feature by having to say "you don't have to use it", because you know most your fans don't want it, maybe there's something wrong with including the feature in your game...

Wider audience, remember?  

[Rune-Chan]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Because they know their fans......Most  of them hate MP.<_<

You know, I you have to advertise a feature by having to say "you don't have to use it", because you know most your fans don't want it, maybe there's something wrong with including the feature in your game...

Indeed.

Now while some people may like the idea of co-op missions, I sincerely doubt it will win over enough fans for it to be worth including. I know that I have practically zero interest in it, because I don't play Mass Effect for that kind of thing, I play it for the story and characters, I don't really need to be a generic avatar shooting mercs with some friends in this series, it's not why I have followed it.

The same goes for a lot of the fans, this seems to suggest that the inclusion of it is to draw in new players, but let's be honest, is that really going to happen? I don't see it happening.

Although the idea of cancelling a pre-order over it is unbelievably childish, I don't like it being in the game, but my Collectors Edition pre-order isn't going anywhere.

[ryoldschool]

Thompson family wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Now now, be fair Thomson. There are some games/franchises that have in the past suffered distinct drops in SP quality following the introduction of MP. Go google "MP ruined SP" and get a billion trillion results."

And BioWare hasn't learned from other people's mistakes? That's the assumption being made.

Let's get to the real meat of the thing:

I don't think you can say the concerns of the anti-MP crowd are completely without basis. The game isn't out yet, which means you're really not in much of a position to say whether people have "good reason to be offended" by this news. (emphasis added)

And why does this argument not cut both ways?

We have statement after statemet after statement that BioWare has been careful not to preserve the SP experience. If people don't believe them, that's their right, but after the backlash that followed the streamlining of the RPG elements, I think BioWare would be crazy to take risks with SP.

And you have to admit, onelifecrisis, that there is a vocal segment of this forum anxious to complain about anything.

The proof is when the game comes out.  If the sp is totally bug-free, then no problem.  But its going to make you wonder if you get a charge bug with the vanguard, or "sky-walking", or the level stops because an enemy you need to kill gets warped into a structure - "Maybe this bug would not be there if they had spent the resources to bullet-proof the sp instead of adding mp".  We won't know until the game is out.  I just hope its as good as ME2, my favorite game.

[dreman9999]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Because they know their fans......Most  of them hate MP.<_<

You know, I you have to advertise a feature by having to say "you don't have to use it", because you know most your fans don't want it, maybe there's something wrong with including the feature in your game...

Maybe the people who hate the feature can just not play it....It is very optional.

[dreman9999]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

It does cut both ways. I'm only objecting to you insulting people who are concerned. Personally I'm not going to judge the SP until the game is out. I'm slight concerned by the MP announcement but I'll reserve judgement.

Fair enough, onelifecrisis, but I'm also tired of being called a fanboy (not by you, and thanks for that) when I suggest that maybe people are over-reacting.

You don't have to do many of the side missions in ME1. They're optional. You don't even have to do "Lair of the Shadwo Broker" or "Overlord" in ME2. You don't even have to do Legion's loyalty mission in ME2, turning him over to Cerberus. That (I presume) means the Geth will be enemies of Shep in ME3.

BioWare's record is that you can, indeed, ignore large parts of this game. So when they say "MP is optional," I'm very inclined to believe them.

To be perfectly blunt, a significant portion of the content in ME2 is optional. You can skip four of seven squadmates altogether, you don't have to do a single loyalty mission, and you don't even have to use any of the upgrades you're given. Then again, this has been a trend with BioWare games recently. Perhaps since the beginning, even.

Only BG1 and most of ME1 is not optional.

[dreman9999]

Machines Are Us wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Liec wrote...

 I find it funny that they're advertising it saying "you don't have to play this!".  

Because they know their fans......Most  of them hate MP.<_<

You know, I you have to advertise a feature by having to say "you don't have to use it", because you know most your fans don't want it, maybe there's something wrong with including the feature in your game...

Indeed.

Now while some people may like the idea of co-op missions, I sincerely doubt it will win over enough fans for it to be worth including. I know that I have practically zero interest in it, because I don't play Mass Effect for that kind of thing, I play it for the story and characters, I don't really need to be a generic avatar shooting mercs with some friends in this series, it's not why I have followed it.

The same goes for a lot of the fans, this seems to suggest that the inclusion of it is to draw in new players, but let's be honest, is that really going to happen? I don't see it happening.

Although the idea of cancelling a pre-order over it is unbelievably childish, I don't like it being in the game, but my Collectors Edition pre-order isn't going anywhere.

But the fact remains...You don't have to play this mode.