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[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

The point is this. With us, not doing anything but die is extremely inconvenient. The ME3 and it mp. Not playing it just leaves us with the sp game, which causes no inconvenience to use.

Why do you always stick those pretentious smileys at the end of your posts?

Also, I have no idea why you had to derail, where were we talking about convenience? Yes, MP is apparently a "convenience mode", but that kind of means only doing SP is less convenient than doing both...

....oh my. So much for it being just as convenient as doing both...

Also, the FAQ doesn't state what would constitute 100% of the GR. All SP side missions? All that PLUS all the potential MP missions?

I also got the info from the xbox magazine interview.
Also, we don't know how had it is to do the side mission. It can be as inconvenient as walk to the fridge.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

True, but you have the option to choose wich playthrough you can place the gr point from the mp to and what ammount.

AGAIN, you're just making things up because you think "it would be dumb" if they developed in any other way.

There's been no confirmation of your claim, stop stating it as fact!

That was comfurmed. I was even corrected on this. You were there.

[onelifecrisis]

dreman9999 wrote...

Blazenor wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How do you even know that? Their is nothing stated so far that indicates that getting GR points in the sp is harder than the mp.

Nobody can know, but the best ending in ME2 required grind (that almost nobody liked) so it's not an unreasonable assumption/concern.

There is no grinding in ME2, where in the game did you have to grind?

Um...... Planet scanning.

Exactly. If planet scanning isn't grinding then I don't know what is.

[Wannabe_Overlord]

Very optional, huh? They could have spent those resources more wisely on the Campaign than a gimmick that will not draw the CoD crowd at all.

[Blazenor]

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Blazenor wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How do you even know that? Their is nothing stated so far that indicates that getting GR points in the sp is harder than the mp.

Nobody can know, but the best ending in ME2 required grind (that almost nobody liked) so it's not an unreasonable assumption/concern.

There is no grinding in ME2, where in the game did you have to grind?

Um...... Planet scanning.

Exactly. If planet scanning isn't grinding then I don't know what is.

That's funny because I did very little planet grinding, but then again I used import characters from ME1.

[dreman9999]

voteDC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

This MP is controversial? Do people have a hard time realizing they don't have to play it?

Oh my god, do people havea hard time understanding it's optional.

And yet so many people miss the point of why many other people are miffed.

To me the player should have to live or die by the decisions they make as Shepard. However they have now been given the option of undoing those choices.

No, they don't. Your jumping the gun it you think that. GR does not override you choices and loyalty like how upgrading the normandy does not override your choices and loyalty. Even if they get 100% gr, ifyou make dumb choices, bad things happen.
Also, you issue is not mp but GR. If they cut mp, you would still have th build GR anyway with the sp.

[Vegos]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

True, but you have the option to choose wich playthrough you can place the gr point from the mp to and what ammount.

AGAIN, you're just making things up because you think "it would be dumb" if they developed in any other way.

There's been no confirmation of your claim, stop stating it as fact!

That was comfurmed. I was even corrected on this. You were there.

The "confirmation" was much less specific and much more vague. Again, you just tailored it to fit your needs. That's what annoys me about you. But let's just say I don't want to make this personal.

[111987]

voteDC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

This MP is controversial? Do people have a hard time realizing they don't have to play it?

Oh my god, do people havea hard time understanding it's optional.

And yet so many people miss the point of why many other people are miffed.

To me the player should have to live or die by the decisions they make as Shepard. However they have now been given the option of undoing those choices.

For instance should a player whose choices as Shepard would lead to the worst possible ending really have an option to undo those choices and get the best possible ending by playing a little multi-player?

It is not the multi-player itself I draw issue with, after all it is essentially a Horde mode and I love playing that in Gears 2 and 3. My issue is with Bioware on why they created a mode which has as its main point the option to let you erase the concequences of Shepard's choices.

Personally I don't think it is wrong to question Bioware on that.

Who said you could make-up for all of Shepard's choices through multiplayer? All we know is that multiplayer can enhance galactic readiness. We don't know how significant this enhancement is. What if it's only a 10% enhancement, for example?

BioWare has repeatedly said the most important thing in determining the outcome of the war is Shepard's choices.

[Vegos]

Who said you could make-up for all of Shepard's choices through multiplayer?

Making up for ONE is too much.

[dreman9999]

Blazenor wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Blazenor wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How do you even know that? Their is nothing stated so far that indicates that getting GR points in the sp is harder than the mp.

Nobody can know, but the best ending in ME2 required grind (that almost nobody liked) so it's not an unreasonable assumption/concern.

There is no grinding in ME2, where in the game did you have to grind?

Um...... Planet scanning.

Exactly. If planet scanning isn't grinding then I don't know what is.

That's funny because I did very little planet grinding, but then again I used import characters from ME1.

It''s more of the fact that you didn't upgrade everything then not did alot of grinding. You jusnt need 3 upgrade to get the best ending, gun ,armor, powers and the other ship upgrades are optional.

[Blazenor]

111987 wrote...

voteDC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

This MP is controversial? Do people have a hard time realizing they don't have to play it?

Oh my god, do people havea hard time understanding it's optional.

And yet so many people miss the point of why many other people are miffed.

To me the player should have to live or die by the decisions they make as Shepard. However they have now been given the option of undoing those choices.

For instance should a player whose choices as Shepard would lead to the worst possible ending really have an option to undo those choices and get the best possible ending by playing a little multi-player?

It is not the multi-player itself I draw issue with, after all it is essentially a Horde mode and I love playing that in Gears 2 and 3. My issue is with Bioware on why they created a mode which has as its main point the option to let you erase the concequences of Shepard's choices.

Personally I don't think it is wrong to question Bioware on that.

Who said you could make-up for all of Shepard's choices through multiplayer? All we know is that multiplayer can enhance galactic readiness. We don't know how significant this enhancement is. What if it's only a 10% enhancement, for example?

BioWare has repeatedly said the most important thing in determining the outcome of the war is Shepard's choices.

Agree, the GR has more than one part and we don't know all the parts.

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Who said you could make-up for all of Shepard's choices through multiplayer?

Making up for ONE is too much.

You don't make up for any. Mp just add GR points. Gr point is what increses your armada. And you can get GR point from the sp. In short, if you cut the sp you still have to build the GRpoint that you think will override your choices in the sp by doing sp side missions.

[Kasai666]

Geth_Prime wrote...

You would not believe how many idiots I've seen complaining that they don't want to play the multiplayer mode and therefore aren't buying ME3.

It is hard not to lose faith in humanity.

I already have. 

[slimgrin]

Damage control has begun.

[tj987654321]

I took this from my Mass Effect 3 Demo FAQ Posting

Why shouldn't BF3 purchasers get early access to the multiplayer demo? It is only there to garner interest for the Mass Effect series. I think this is a wise move on EA's behalf, because it shows that they know how to properly market a game. By giving BF3 purchasers an "prestigious" bonus of early multiplayer ME 3 access, there is a far greater chance that they will get into the series.

Also, while they haven't been announced yet, there are other alternatives to gain early access without having to purchase something. This gives fans such as us to participate in the multiplayer demo too. So I do not see why there are so many complaints about EA being disloyal to its fans. If you are a true fan of the Mass Effect series; while you may be interested in the new co-op feature; you are really here to enjoy a fulling single player experience. On the other hand, if you are a Battlefield fan and a newcomer to ME, you would most likely be far more interested in the new multiplayer aspects of Mass Effect 3 than the singleplayer aspects. However, as these types of fans play the multiplayer demo, they may become even more interested in the singleplayer storyline.

In short, if BioWare and EA execute this marketing strategy perfectly, Mass Effect 3 is going to have a hell of a lot more players! (I am not demeaning the popularity of the Mass Effect series; I am just saying that this game can stand to gain an even bigger fan base with the inclusion of multiplayer.)

Oh, and for the minotity of fans here that believe that ME 3 will be less popular due to multiplayer, ask yourself this question: "If at restarant, you planned on purchasing a hamburger; would you still buy the same hamburger if it came with a free drink due to a promotion?

[dreman9999]

Blazenor wrote...

111987 wrote...

voteDC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

This MP is controversial? Do people have a hard time realizing they don't have to play it?

Oh my god, do people havea hard time understanding it's optional.

And yet so many people miss the point of why many other people are miffed.

To me the player should have to live or die by the decisions they make as Shepard. However they have now been given the option of undoing those choices.

For instance should a player whose choices as Shepard would lead to the worst possible ending really have an option to undo those choices and get the best possible ending by playing a little multi-player?

It is not the multi-player itself I draw issue with, after all it is essentially a Horde mode and I love playing that in Gears 2 and 3. My issue is with Bioware on why they created a mode which has as its main point the option to let you erase the concequences of Shepard's choices.

Personally I don't think it is wrong to question Bioware on that.

Who said you could make-up for all of Shepard's choices through multiplayer? All we know is that multiplayer can enhance galactic readiness. We don't know how significant this enhancement is. What if it's only a 10% enhancement, for example?

BioWare has repeatedly said the most important thing in determining the outcome of the war is Shepard's choices.

Agree, the GR has more than one part and we don't know all the parts.

Yes we do.
The Armada, race loyalty, squade loyalty, your past choices, your current choices, who lived and died, who lives and dies, how you upgraded the ship, and how will you upgrade your ship.
The detail of it we don't know.

[Cutlass Jack]

slimgrin wrote...

Damage control has begun.

If by damage control, you mean repeating exactly what they said when they announced it, then yes.

[Vegos]

Oh, and for the minotity of fans here that believe that ME 3 will be less popular due to multiplayer, ask yourself this question: "If at restarant, you planned on purchasing a hamburger; would you still buy the same hamburger if it came with a free drink due to a promotion?

If it was a drink I do not like I'd say "Lose the drink and charge me the drink's worth less".

[dreman9999]

Wannabe_Overlord wrote...

Very optional, huh? They could have spent those resources more wisely on the Campaign than a gimmick that will not draw the CoD crowd at all.

But they are focused on the sp. Throwing more money at the progect won't make the game better.

[AtreiyaN7]

Vegos wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

This MP is controversial? Do people have a hard time realizing they don't have to play it?

They do seem to have a surprisingly difficult time coming to grips with the whole "it's optional and not necessary for success in the single-player campaign" concept.

As I said, the only mandatory thing in a human's life is to die. EVERYTHING ELSE is optional.

Why do we feel compelled to do other stuff then?

Do you actually have some kind of point/argument? Because what you're saying has zero relation to MP being optional and people who respond to it as if they're going to be forced to drink the entire world's supply of Ipecac.

Three of the main "arguments" from rabidly anti-MP people seem (or seemed) to involve the belief that they'll somehow be at a disadvantage in their single-player campaign if they don't play co-op, that they'll be forced to play online with horrible, horrible foul-mouthed shooter fans (not true - refer to stickied hands-on previews thread), or that they'll somehow be losing out on major content (not true - refer to stickied hands-on previews thread).

At this point, with much more information revealed, there are still have people kicking and screaming about it, and it seems just a smidge irrational. As to why "we feel compelled to do other stuff," there are plenty of reasons: for money, love, gratification/pleasure, obsession/compulsion, jealousy, a thirst for knowledge, success, etc. Does that cover just about everything for you? Motivation doesn't change the fact that no one is forced into playing co-op, short of having some kind of obsessive-compulsive need to do everything possible in a game (but that isn't BioWare's problem, really).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 28 octobre 2011 - 06:50 .

[dreman9999]

Vegos wrote...

Oh, and for the minotity of fans here that believe that ME 3 will be less popular due to multiplayer, ask yourself this question: "If at restarant, you planned on purchasing a hamburger; would you still buy the same hamburger if it came with a free drink due to a promotion?

If it was a drink I do not like I'd say "Lose the drink and charge me the drink's worth less".

But the drink is free. You can just not drink it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Aside from the initial reactions from some people. I have not really seen that line thrown around a lot.

Aside from the "I cancelled my pre-order because I'm butthurt over the multiplayer" threads.

Oh, yeah, because being opposed to MP in ME3 means you're "butthurt".  [/sarcasm]


Whatever.

[Vegos]

Do you actually have some kind of point/argument?

Yes.

"Quit it with the 'it's optional' card already, it's redundant."

[Vegos]

dreman9999 wrote...

Vegos wrote...

Oh, and for the minotity of fans here that believe that ME 3 will be less popular due to multiplayer, ask yourself this question: "If at restarant, you planned on purchasing a hamburger; would you still buy the same hamburger if it came with a free drink due to a promotion?

If it was a drink I do not like I'd say "Lose the drink and charge me the drink's worth less".

But the drink is free. You can just not drink it.

I still don't want it, and if they can afford to hand it out for free, they can afford to reduce the price of the rest of my purchae by the drink's value, and hand my drink out for free to someone else.

[AtreiyaN7]

Vegos wrote...

Do you actually have some kind of point/argument?

Yes.

"Quit it with the 'it's optional' card already, it's redundant."

Actually, you don't have a point, you haven't had a point, and you don't seem all that capable of successfully making a point, so I think we're done.