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[TheRealJayDee]

Sylvianus wrote...

- You are not alone. They won't burn this outfit and abandon those who love it. They won't change the hairstyle of Ashley, because they know that many liked the new look. Think again about it, you are not alone and bioware knows it.
[b]

Yep, changing characters visually to please those who couldn't care less about the character or how well written he was because he wasn't superficially sexy enough is the logical and right thing to do. No reason caring about the actual fans, who just want the well written character back, with an understandable development and not-ridiculous clothes.

Thing is, if I had enough faith in the writers I wouldn't be as concerned. But I don't, actually, and even if had I would not be completely convinced that the writing actually matches what the visual department designs.


edit: ed regarding my fears about flawed communication between writing and design teams. Nice to know I'm not alone, Sgt Stryker!

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 25 novembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Xeranx]

Xilizhra wrote...

Guess who that is to Shepard's right.

...Garrus?

When I saw it I knew I was thinking left, but because it's facing us...you get it.  
I changed it as soon as I posted it Xili.  You're just too quick. 

[slimgrin]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Character re-design. Happens with every sequel. She looks great imo, but I would like her hair pulled back as that seemed consistent with her personality of a hard-edged, practical soldier.

So why hasn't Shepard been radically re-designed (barring minor aesthetic changes to the N7 armor)? Why hasn't Joker shaved his beard?

Shepard is customizable. Joker's appearance isn't going to be scrutinized as much as Ashley's, or anyone else on our team.

[Ghost-621]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 It's also a little unfair that Ash can't update her look when come March a lot of Shepards will be going back under the knife for their second major facial reconstruction. 

Everyone knows retcons are only okay if the player does it.

Changing my character's face is the ONLY retcon that I find acceptable. jessielou, bioware's butchering of Ashley's character for the piggy masses is NOT acceptable.

So far, we've only seen her appearance, not her character (excluding the leaked script, which I have not read, and will not read). Character and appearance are not necessarily one and the same; just look at Miranda and Samara. Then read about how their characters were written.

Note that I'm not trying to defend Bioware in this regard. I'm merely pointing out that, at least in Miranda's and Samara's cases, their visual design people and their writing team weren't communicating as well as they should have been. This may also be true with Ashley; we'll have to wait and see. Well, those of us who didn't read the story leaks will wait and see.

I haven't read the script either, and don't plan on it, but I might in the coming months, depending on my stance of how I feel the game's direction and whether or not I'll purchase it.

Sadly, though, it does speak volume's about bioware's disregard of Ashleys character, because she clearly states her stance on that very visual matter.

@jessie that was only a photoshop picture

[Ghost-621]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jessielou wrote...

First, I was joking. Second, I don't think she looks different enough to even call it a retcon. I've only really seen pictures so far, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see her in the game but as of right now it just looks to me like she cleaned herself up a bit.

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

Who in whatever games you're referring to in that butchered portmanteau wear "skampy" outfits?
And for all we know (very little), she may have just come to appreciate mobility more.

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

[VengefulTimor]

Maybe what we've seen is just her wearing a service uniform. Maybe like in ME, when onboard the Normandy, characters wear "regular" clothes. When ashore they wear battle armor

[jessielou]

Well, even if it was as a woman I stand by our right to change our minds, hit up a hair dresser, and go with the sexy dress instead of jeans once in a while.

[TheRealJayDee]

slimgrin wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Character re-design. Happens with every sequel. She looks great imo, but I would like her hair pulled back as that seemed consistent with her personality of a hard-edged, practical soldier.

So why hasn't Shepard been radically re-designed (barring minor aesthetic changes to the N7 armor)? Why hasn't Joker shaved his beard?

Shepard is customizable. Joker's appearance isn't going to be scrutinized as much as Ashley's, or anyone else on our team.

So if a character isn't as important or popular it's logical for him to stay the same, but if characters are actually loved it's okay to mess around with them?

[Ghost-621]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

You know, I see people complaining elsewhere that Bioware is pandering to the fans of ME1 over ME2, and how the ME2 squad has been mistreated, and then I go to this thread and read this. Apparently Bioware is simultaneously pandering to both groups while screwing over the other. Quite a feat, that.

Will you provide me a link to a thread where people are complaining about bioware pandering to ME1 fans? I need a good laugh.

[Xilizhra]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jessielou wrote...

First, I was joking. Second, I don't think she looks different enough to even call it a retcon. I've only really seen pictures so far, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see her in the game but as of right now it just looks to me like she cleaned herself up a bit.

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

Who in whatever games you're referring to in that butchered portmanteau wear "skampy" outfits?
And for all we know (very little), she may have just come to appreciate mobility more.

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

[CerberusWarrior]

Bioware created her and they can do with her as they wish either buy the game or not but many of us like her new look and have no issue with it

[Sgt Stryker]

jessielou wrote...

Well, even if it was as a woman I stand by our right to change our minds, hit up a hair dresser, and go with the sexy dress instead of jeans once in a while.

Even if that woman is a soldier fighting on the front lines of all-out galactic war?

[jessielou]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

jessielou wrote...

Well, even if it was as a woman I stand by our right to change our minds, hit up a hair dresser, and go with the sexy dress instead of jeans once in a while.

Even if that woman is a soldier fighting on the front lines of all-out galactic war?

As long as she's getting the job done, sure.

[Ghost-621]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jessielou wrote...

First, I was joking. Second, I don't think she looks different enough to even call it a retcon. I've only really seen pictures so far, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see her in the game but as of right now it just looks to me like she cleaned herself up a bit.

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

Who in whatever games you're referring to in that butchered portmanteau wear "skampy" outfits?
And for all we know (very little), she may have just come to appreciate mobility more.

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

Ugh...ME2 was just...stupid in squadmate combat apparel...wow. Boobies over practicality and lore consistency...yaay bringing in the masses...

That right there in the magazine shot is her "armor." That one where she is wearing a suit similar to Kaidan's is a photoshop.

@Cerberus You haven't played ME1, have you?

[Sgt Stryker]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

Kinetic barriers do not stop slow-moving objects, like recently-ejected bright red-hot thermal clips. This is actually another argument against Samara's and Miranda's outfits. Even Jack's, if her concentration gets broken and she can't sustain a biotic barrier.

[TheRealJayDee]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You know, I see people complaining elsewhere that Bioware is pandering to the fans of ME1 over ME2, and how the ME2 squad has been mistreated, and then I go to this thread and read this. Apparently Bioware is simultaneously pandering to both groups while screwing over the other. Quite a feat, that.

It's perfectly managable screw over both groups, by neglecting the ME2 characters and ruining the ME1 characters while giving them more attention.

And I don't see anyone claiming that the changes in Ash's appearance are an attempt to pander to ME2 players. It's just pandering to superficial people who don't care about the character in general.

[CerberusWarrior]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jessielou wrote...

First, I was joking. Second, I don't think she looks different enough to even call it a retcon. I've only really seen pictures so far, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see her in the game but as of right now it just looks to me like she cleaned herself up a bit.

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

Who in whatever games you're referring to in that butchered portmanteau wear "skampy" outfits?
And for all we know (very little), she may have just come to appreciate mobility more.

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

   

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So what if it is her combat armor you as the player have a choice of what armor to outfit your squad in ME 3 . Only the peole who have a issue with a woman looking good but also being a ass kicker as well dressing some what sexy are pissed about this .

[Sgt Stryker]

jessielou wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

jessielou wrote...

Well, even if it was as a woman I stand by our right to change our minds, hit up a hair dresser, and go with the sexy dress instead of jeans once in a while.

Even if that woman is a soldier fighting on the front lines of all-out galactic war?

As long as she's getting the job done, sure.

That's just it though - she should be more effective at getting the job done in jeans (read: armor, a la ME1) than in a dress (read: her ME3 fetish brigade get-up).

[Ghost-621]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

Kinetic barriers do not stop slow-moving objects, like recently-ejected bright red-hot thermal clips. This is actually another argument against Samara's and Miranda's outfits. Even Jack's, if her concentration gets broken and she can't sustain a biotic barrier.

Thank you.

It's not about Ashley's freedom as a woman, she was very clear on how she felt about it. Therefore, having the sudden 180 from respectable marine to stereotypical boobieslololol sex object.. that's unacceptable to people who actually care about the story, and the characters.

[Ghost-621]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

jessielou wrote...

First, I was joking. Second, I don't think she looks different enough to even call it a retcon. I've only really seen pictures so far, and maybe I'll change my mind when I see her in the game but as of right now it just looks to me like she cleaned herself up a bit.

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

Who in whatever games you're referring to in that butchered portmanteau wear "skampy" outfits?
And for all we know (very little), she may have just come to appreciate mobility more.

Yep. Boob windows are GREAT for combat mobility! Especially when there are searing-hot "ammo" clips flying around! Great observation!

Certainly they don't seem to be much of a hindrance, judging by ME2. I suspect it has something to do with the shields. Either that, or it's not her full combat armor, because I know a couple of different ones have been mentioned.

   


So what if it is her combat armor you as the player have a choice of what armor to outfit your squad in ME 3 . Only the peole who have a issue with a woman looking good but also being a ass kicker as well dressing some what sexy are pissed about this .

Go back to COD, will you? It's obvious you have no interest in the actual story. Just please, stop talking. You make yourself look stupider with every new post.

[Ghost-621]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

It's a retcon because of her stance on light armor/skampy outifts, which she verbally stated in ME1, but obviously that game never existed to the majority of the "fans" here and bioware nowadays...

hooray mass of wafare 3: call of N7...

You know, I see people complaining elsewhere that Bioware is pandering to the fans of ME1 over ME2, and how the ME2 squad has been mistreated, and then I go to this thread and read this. Apparently Bioware is simultaneously pandering to both groups while screwing over the other. Quite a feat, that.

Will you provide me a link to a thread where people are complaining about bioware pandering to ME1 fans? I need a good laugh.

Here: http://social.biowar...ndex/8697133/20
There's some on that page, but you may want to look through the whole thread; plenty of "Those of us who preferred the ME2 squad over the ME1 squad got shafted" comments throughout.

I had to be careful there...minefield of spoilers...but that was absolutely hysterical.

[Sgt Stryker]

While we're on this subject, I demand that Adept MaleShep should be allowed to fight shirtless, wearing nothing but his N7 banana-hammock. After all, he's got his biotics, so he's basically invincible, right? Right?!

Edit: Same goes for Kaidan.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 25 novembre 2011 - 02:06 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

Well, it has been 3 years...