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[100k]

It is actually 100% sex appeal. It says so in the art book.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


Yes
it is you can hide behind anything to cover up the fact its not that .
Its clear some on here does not want her to have any sex appeal at all .
Oh look a woman with sex appeal but is a good character thats something
that we need squash and get changed because our stupid lore thing is
messed up .  I do not give a crap abouit lore when it comes to a group
that want to basically enforce their views of  all women should be
covered up when it comes to a game is wrong because this is clearly
showing that there are those who feel all women in games should have no
sex appeal . when in real life women on tv especially when it comes to
the news and tv shows as well as movies have no problem with showing
some skin .  Games should reflect how women dress and act in real life .

It has absolutely nothing to do with thinking
"all women should be covered up" and enforcing a silly view like that on
anyone. IT'S ABOUT HER CHARACTER.

Besides,

She ALREADY had sex appeal man!

She
looked great in armor and her constant teasing and just her attitude in
general had major sex appeal. I think you're just a fan of more skin,
no matter the cost. That cost being character assassination.

  



This
whole issue is over sex appeal and its sad that women in games can be
treated like dog sh*t in games like GTA but in games like ME where there
are strong female characters and show sex appeal is considered
offensive and needs to be erased because some can not handle and deal
with a woman who has sex appeal but is a kick ass character . 

What the **** are you talking about? Have you ever seen this issue before, or are you just new here? (obviously you are)

This is basically about character/lore consistency and rejecting the in-your-face fanserviced oversexualization of a well-established female character, because honestly, this kind of thing happens far too often in entertainment. Often enough to make it annoying, and annyoing enough to make it offensive. Especially when it happens to one of your most beloved sci-fi series of all time (well, so far I really only love half of the Mass Effect series).

In other words, it's about getting sick of creators selling out a character's integrity just to make a few extra sales and a few horny men happy.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 25 novembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[DoNotIngest]

100k wrote...

It is actually 100% sex appeal. It says so in the art book.

It's so she can get all the targets all hot and bothered and raising the flag. It's just SPECTRE tactics, maaan.

[100k]

iakus wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

I'm not going to spoil anything, just gonna say, that scene is not on the Normandy.

Seeing Ash standing next to another female Alliance officer really drives home how unprofessional and silly Ash's costume really is to me.  No it's not really skimpy.  It's not Miranda-bad, or Samara-bad.  But those two set the bar really low anyway.  For an Alliance officer, and second human SPectre, I'd expect something that carries a little more weight, a bit more authority.  

I've ponted out why in other posts:  thigh-high boots.  White pants on a primarilly blue-black outfit.  V-neck.  Skirt-like blouse-jacket.  It's ugly on so many levels.  It's a shame to see it on such a beautiful character.

Well...not to be a jerk or anything, but what the hell do you know about fashion and public perception 200 years from now?

[Captain_Obvious_au]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

*snip*

The problem my good man, is that yet again Bioware seems to be going for 'rule of cool' rather than the more realistic clothing she wore in ME1 and ME2. I mean, go play ME1 again and tell me that you think Ash is the sort of person to run around a combat zone in heels and a boob window.

[Sgt Stryker]

DoNotIngest wrote...

100k wrote...

It is actually 100% sex appeal. It says so in the art book.

It's so she can get all the targets all hot and bothered and raising the flag. It's just SPECTRE tactics, maaan.

Yep, I'm sure that'll come in real useful against the hordes of relentless, remorseless cyber-zombies. 

[Urazz]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

To make a couple of points here:
1. Why would Bioware completely change what Ash wears from ME1 & ME2, to ME3? It doesn't make sense, unless ala Shepard she's changed her class...

2. Are we 100% sure that's her regular combat outfit?

EDIT: just watched the CE unboxing video, seems to be her normal outfit. That's just...moronic beyond belief *sigh*
EDIT2: boob window? Come on, even Miranda is classier than that!

1. She's a spectre now.  She doesn't have to follow Alliance uniform regulations if he doesn't want to now.  She obviously is taking advantage of that.

2. No it's her casual outfit.  It's been stated she wears combat armor.

3.  Boob window?  Come on.  That's no boob window.  Look at Samara if you want to see a Boob window.  Ashley is well covered up without even a hint of cleavage showing through the unzipped part of her suit.

I'll admit the suit could look better but it's not the travesty everyone is saying it is.

[CerberusWarrior]

Urazz wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

To make a couple of points here:
1. Why would Bioware completely change what Ash wears from ME1 & ME2, to ME3? It doesn't make sense, unless ala Shepard she's changed her class...

2. Are we 100% sure that's her regular combat outfit?

EDIT: just watched the CE unboxing video, seems to be her normal outfit. That's just...moronic beyond belief *sigh*
EDIT2: boob window? Come on, even Miranda is classier than that!

1. She's a spectre now.  She doesn't have to follow Alliance uniform regulations if he doesn't want to now.  She obviously is taking advantage of that.

2. No it's her casual outfit.  It's been stated she wears combat armor.

3.  Boob window?  Come on.  That's no boob window.  Look at Samara if you want to see a Boob window.  Ashley is well covered up without even a hint of cleavage showing through the unzipped part of her suit.

I'll admit the suit could look better but it's not the travesty everyone is saying it is.

   




Oh does that mean she can boss Shepard around . 

[CerberusWarrior]

jreezy wrote...

I'll believe the people complaining on this issue when they back up their complaints with solid proof. I doubt they'll have any before March 6th.

   


thats the thing they have none only a flawed issue with sex appeal in games

[Kail Ashton]

Cause she was freaking ugly, durh

[Homey C-Dawg]

Hehe how do you think she got that promotion?

[Sgt Stryker]

jreezy wrote...

I'll believe the people complaining on this issue when they back up their complaints with solid proof. I doubt they'll have any before March 6th.

On the contrary, the ones doing the complaining are bringing up a valid concern, and the burden of proof is on the ones who are telling us not to worry. While Casey Hudson did tweet that Ash would get heavier armor, similar to what Kaidan is wearing, we have yet to actually see this armor. The concept art looked promising, until a higher-res version revealed the now-infamous boob window. Furthermore, as iakus pointed out, there is a screenshot now circulating which shows Shepard and some other male character (Vega?) in their Manly ManArmor for Men ™, Liara in her Shadow Broker light armor, and Ashley in... that... thing.

Implications... unpleasant.

[Inspectre]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Why? Because you're complaining about a character's small pshysical appearance adjustment symbolizing the developers new angle to cater to straight male gamers  

IN A GAME WITH A SPECIES OF HOT ALIEN BABES

Holy hypocritical whiners Batman, it looks like your entire argument is completely invalid.

The point is that they have less to respect about the game.

Also, you appear to be an ignorant person that jumps to conclusions a lot.  Perhaps it is you who needs the real world experience.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 25 novembre 2011 - 06:01 .

[Kail Ashton]

Dragon XIX wrote...

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Why? Because you're complaining about a character's small pshysical appearance adjustment symbolizing the developers new angle to cater to straight male gamers  

IN A GAME WITH A SPECIES OF HOT ALIEN BABES

Holy hypocritical whiners Batman, it looks like your entire argument is completely invalid.

The point is that they have less to respect about the game.

Also, you appear to be an idiot that jumps to conclusions a lot.  You should leave.

lol really? just gonna call people idiots? how plebian, maybe you should take your 5th grade insults out of here before a moderator assists yah with that

Modifié par Kail Ashton, 25 novembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Mclouvins]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I'll believe the people complaining on this issue when they back up their complaints with solid proof. I doubt they'll have any before March 6th.

On the contrary, the ones doing the complaining are bringing up a valid concern, and the burden of proof is on the ones who are telling us not to worry. While Casey Hudson did tweet that Ash would get heavier armor, similar to what Kaidan is wearing, we have yet to actually see this armor. The concept art looked promising, until a higher-res version revealed the now-infamous boob window. Furthermore, as iakus pointed out, there is a screenshot now circulating which shows Shepard and some other male character (Vega?) in their Manly ManArmor for Men ™, Liara in her Shadow Broker light armor, and Ashley in... that... thing.

Implications... unpleasant.

The purple head seems to lean towards that being a placeholder model. Maybe the heavy armor look model isn't quitre done yet.

[CerberusWarrior]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I'll believe the people complaining on this issue when they back up their complaints with solid proof. I doubt they'll have any before March 6th.

On the contrary, the ones doing the complaining are bringing up a valid concern, and the burden of proof is on the ones who are telling us not to worry. While Casey Hudson did tweet that Ash would get heavier armor, similar to what Kaidan is wearing, we have yet to actually see this armor. The concept art looked promising, until a higher-res version revealed the now-infamous boob window. Furthermore, as iakus pointed out, there is a screenshot now circulating which shows Shepard and some other male character (Vega?) in their Manly ManArmor for Men ™, Liara in her Shadow Broker light armor, and Ashley in... that... thing.

Implications... unpleasant.

   



This is crap its easy to hide behind bull sh*t but its clear this a sex appeal issue.  If Bioware changes this then I will admit they are mere slaves to a certain group of anti sex appeal in games 

[Iakus]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

iakus wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

I'm not going to spoil anything, just gonna say, that scene is not on the Normandy.

Seeing Ash standing next to another female Alliance officer really drives home how unprofessional and silly Ash's costume really is to me.  No it's not really skimpy.  It's not Miranda-bad, or Samara-bad.  But those two set the bar really low anyway.  For an Alliance officer, and second human SPectre, I'd expect something that carries a little more weight, a bit more authority.  

I've ponted out why in other posts:  thigh-high boots.  White pants on a primarilly blue-black outfit.  V-neck.  Skirt-like blouse-jacket.  It's ugly on so many levels.  It's a shame to see it on such a beautiful character.

IMO, it wouldn't be so bad if it was a darker color like that of the clothes that girl and Anderson are wearing. It's too bright... making it stick out and look sort of ... cartoonish or something. I think the concept images look so much more professional and fitting for what an officer in the alliance and/or a spectre would wear while not wearing their battle armor. (All this minus the boob window). I especially like the sash or w/e that goes across her chest in those concepts. Looks very professional. Plus her hair is up. I would have preferred that look ... and honestly, it is a sexy look as well. Not sure how Ash isn't sexy without being all tarted up.

Yeah, the black outfit in the concept art, even with the "boob window" was far more professiona lookingl.  Not something i'd want to see her go into combat wearing, but it was far more dignified that what she's wearing in the above screenshot.

Cartoonish, a good descriptor for the outfit.

[InvincibleHero]

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

[CerberusWarrior]

iakus wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

iakus wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

I'm not going to spoil anything, just gonna say, that scene is not on the Normandy.

Seeing Ash standing next to another female Alliance officer really drives home how unprofessional and silly Ash's costume really is to me.  No it's not really skimpy.  It's not Miranda-bad, or Samara-bad.  But those two set the bar really low anyway.  For an Alliance officer, and second human SPectre, I'd expect something that carries a little more weight, a bit more authority.  

I've ponted out why in other posts:  thigh-high boots.  White pants on a primarilly blue-black outfit.  V-neck.  Skirt-like blouse-jacket.  It's ugly on so many levels.  It's a shame to see it on such a beautiful character.

IMO, it wouldn't be so bad if it was a darker color like that of the clothes that girl and Anderson are wearing. It's too bright... making it stick out and look sort of ... cartoonish or something. I think the concept images look so much more professional and fitting for what an officer in the alliance and/or a spectre would wear while not wearing their battle armor. (All this minus the boob window). I especially like the sash or w/e that goes across her chest in those concepts. Looks very professional. Plus her hair is up. I would have preferred that look ... and honestly, it is a sexy look as well. Not sure how Ash isn't sexy without being all tarted up.

Yeah, the black outfit in the concept art, even with the "boob window" was far more professiona lookingl.  Not something i'd want to see her go into combat wearing, but it was far more dignified that what she's wearing in the above screenshot.

Cartoonish, a good descriptor for the outfit.

   




Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

[jessielou]

StowyMcStowstow wrote...

Aw, am I going to have to call the whaaambulance? 

Seriously though, this is ridiculous. If you're shallow enough to be appalled over a simple character redesign then you really need to grow up. Did any of you people complaining about Ashley's new look play Mass Effect 1? I really doubt it based on how much b**ching I'm seeing. Ashley had a great figure, and an ok face. Now she has make-up on and let down her hair... and yeah that's the only difference. If that's really all you care about, then please, don't play Mass Effect 3, go out into the real world and learn how to not be a shallow tool. Then come back and realize that if you gave as much of a damn about her character as your do her looks, you wouldn't be complaining half as much about an aesthetic change that has zero bearing on her character. 
Also, any retard who thinks that Ashley's redesign is catering to "straight male gamers" needs to just go. Away. Perhaps forever. Why? Because you're complaining about a character's small pshysical appearance adjustment symbolizing the developers new angle to cater to straight male gamers  

IN A GAME WITH A SPECIES OF HOT ALIEN BABES

Holy hypocritical whiners Batman, it looks like your entire argument is completely invalid. You know what? They did change her appearance. She looks better. Why is that bad? Why is outlining her figure bad? If you had actually played ME1 recently, you would have noticed that heavy armor actually accentuated her hips more. Granted, armor in general does nothing for a female characters breasts, but hey, I'm not complaining. 

Ashley was the normal human woman in the Mass Effect series. Oh wait, she still is. They just gave her a make-over. This entire thread can be simplified down to this: 

1:Ashley's new look is awful
2:Why?
1:It's too sexy.
2:What the walrus?
1:I like her the way she was.
2:Dude, all that happend was that she put her hair down.
1:Yeah. That's not cool. Her character is ruined.
2:Because of a hair adjustment, a pair of heels, and boobs.
1:Yup.
3:Not only that, but Bioware is sexist because her new uniform is more skintight than the other skintight armor she's had before, which clearly means that bioware is attempting to lure in new gamers by attracting the straight male audience to the new sexiness of the character. Furthermore, Ashley's character isn't allowed to change because I said so.
2:Please GTFO.
3:No I'm right.
1:Yeah. Ashley's new look was not ok'd by me, so now her character is totally messed up. 
2:But her appearance has nothing to do with her character.
1:I don't care. This clearly shows the new direction EA and Bioware are taking every game ever.
2:No it's a character redesign.
3:Your mom's a redesign.
1:Indeed.

You get hugs now 

[DoctorTurkleton]

ugly butt women. lold. back to lurking.

[Iakus]

100k wrote...

Well...not to be a jerk or anything, but what the hell do you know about fashion and public perception 200 years from now?

Nothing.

I do know about my perception in the here and now though.

And it gets tiresome to begin and end every sentance with '"imo" when it should be understood.

IMO of course.

[Inspectre]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

It's a shame that the world is so full of shallow people.

[slimgrin]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Cause she was freaking ugly, durh

Enlightenment from another 13 yr old plebe.

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 novembre 2011 - 06:42 .