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[Iakus]

Urazz wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

jessielou wrote...

 I really should just let this go since it's starting to feel like trying to talk my apt into cleaning itself, but...



This is not an overly revealing outfit.  No, it's not heavy armor but it's also not a catsuit.  I don't think it's anywhere near as skimpy as Miranda's outfit.  I don't think it's even as revealing as light armor in ME1, those things looked like spandex to me.  Maybe she could stand to pull that zipper up a bit, but maybe it's a little warm on the Normandy.

To make a couple of points here:
1. Why would Bioware completely change what Ash wears from ME1 & ME2, to ME3? It doesn't make sense, unless ala Shepard she's changed her class...

2. Are we 100% sure that's her regular combat outfit?

EDIT: just watched the CE unboxing video, seems to be her normal outfit. That's just...moronic beyond belief *sigh*
EDIT2: boob window? Come on, even Miranda is classier than that!

1. She's a spectre now.  She doesn't have to follow Alliance uniform regulations if he doesn't want to now.  She obviously is taking advantage of that.

2. No it's her casual outfit.  It's been stated she wears combat armor.

3.  Boob window?  Come on.  That's no boob window.  Look at Samara if you want to see a Boob window.  Ashley is well covered up without even a hint of cleavage showing through the unzipped part of her suit.

I'll admit the suit could look better but it's not the travesty everyone is saying it is.

1)  That is a uniform she's wearing.  Not a casual outfit.  Note the Spectre logo.  That's right, someone's making her wear that... .thing...on an official basis.  I really hope she has lines complaining about that.

2) As above, that's a uniform.  And while we've been told she gets armor, we are yet to see it.  Even when everyone around her is wearing armor.

3) That's in the black outfit in the concept art.  While it's a far more dignified outfit than the blue one, it doe have what appears to be a "boob window"  And even so, It's a better-looking outfit than what we're getting.  IMO anyway.

[Xeranx]

jreezy wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

jreezy wrote...

You know what's funny? People confusing the outfit she wearing in that scene with Shepard as armor. BSN, you so funny.

I'm thinking you're being heavily sarcastic throughout this post, but just in case you aren't:


And in case that one goes down (from another thread here on the boards):



I'm trying to find the source since that will stay up...well it's more likely to stay up.

Trying to prove something here? It doesn't do much

Doesn't do much...meaning it does something.  Good.

Priestly said that the above picture without the shopped "collecting data" bits was sent to game shops.  It was promotional material.  The blue version of Ashley's outfit has been shown at least twice in promotional videos released by Bioware.  The earlier shot showing Ash next to a female officer with Anderson and Shepard, is from the leaked beta that was found on Xbox's marketplace.  You know, the beta that's set to be released in January with this being late November.

On top of that, Hudson said we'd see an image of Ashley in armor.  Still haven't seen it yet.

Do I think it can't be changed?  Of course it can be.  Do I expect it to be done?  Not with this new "Iconic" looks kick that Bioware's on.  Never mind that Ashley already has an iconic look with Phoenix Armor which has been there since the promotional vids released years ago.  This new "iconic" look change is unneeded.

Keep in mind that all the people calling for Bioware to give Ashley her practicality back are HOPING we're wrong.  Too many people don't seem to get this even if we say it in black and white type.  They plan how they'd laugh at us when it turns out that Ashley has armor.  Joke will be on them because that's exactly what we want.  And many of us don't want it to be some dlc or paid dlc garbage like Miranda had.  We want it to be there as soon as we load up the game because it should never have needed some clamoring for it to happen in the first place.

Again, no matter how we try and use regular type, people don't believe us and make up their own minds.  We'd try color, but if regular type wouldn't work then what hope does some obnoxioius lettering have of working?  

[Sgt Stryker]

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

Oh wow. The fact that you consider ME1 Ashley to be "ugly" and without sex appeal answers a lot of questions I wasn't about to ask.

In any case, I really wouldn't mind it if this was her casual Normandy outfit, similar to Vega's shirt and pants. However, we have yet to see the full armor that Casey Hudson tweeted about. Further, I very strongly hope that the concept art images are NOT representative of that armor. Now, say what you want about placeholders, but didn't people use a similar argument to defend Miranda before ME2 was released and Isabela before DA2 was released? I wasn't around before ME2's release, and I don't pay that much attention to Dragon Age, so I cannot comment on further on those issues.

[CerberusWarrior]

Dragon XIX wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

It's a shame that the world is so full of shallow people.

   



I am not shallow at all . The only ones shallow are those that have a issue with her look in ME 3.  You know what I called this thread out on its bull sh*t excuses about this issue and no one has the guts to accept the truth . The truth is its about sex appel and some on here do not want any female in ME 3 to have any sex appeal at all . This is just as bad as women being treated like utter sh*t in the GTA games . The only difference here is some want a muslim style dress code for women in ME 3 of no skin or sex appeal .  yeah she was butt ugly in Mass Effect 1 and 2 deal with it .  At least in Mass Effect 3 she looks freaking good . . 

[Iakus]

CerberusWarrior wrote...


Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

The fact that you think Ash was ugly in ME1 tells me all I need to know.

[Sgt Stryker]

iakus wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

The fact that you think Ash was ugly in ME1 tells me all I need to know.

*BROFIST*

[Xeranx]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

If we know this, then we know the other stuff as well.  You can't take some and leave the other because it doesn't fit your argument which is silly considering your acceptance of the part in bold.  

Ashley likes poetry.  Ashley doesn't have a sister.  She has three.  So you're already good for your knowledge of Ashley to give us what for. 

We know Ashley prefers thick armor and a big gun.  We know that she's a Marine and considers that aspect to be in her blood.  So what exactly are you talking about?

[InvincibleHero]

iakus wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

The fact that you think Ash was ugly in ME1 tells me all I need to know.

Now hold on there. Attraction is purely opinion. I can think Scarlett Johannson is very beautiful which I do and many agree with that and yet other people don't find her appealing. It is highly subjective and says nothing about the person other than they might look for different traits than you do.

[CerberusWarrior]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

Oh wow. The fact that you consider ME1 Ashley to be "ugly" and without sex appeal answers a lot of questions I wasn't about to ask.

In any case, I really wouldn't mind it if this was her casual Normandy outfit, similar to Vega's shirt and pants. However, we have yet to see the full armor that Casey Hudson tweeted about. Further, I very strongly hope that the concept art images are NOT representative of that armor. Now, say what you want about placeholders, but didn't people use a similar argument to defend Miranda before ME2 was released and Isabela before DA2 was released? I wasn't around before ME2's release, and I don't pay that much attention to Dragon Age, so I cannot comment on further on those issues.

     




Yeah I called her butt ugly because she was . There was no sex appeal nothing that would make my shepard say dam I have to get with her . As far as ME 2 goes yeah some made these same arguments  but one thing is Miranda 's character backed up her outfit and design .  Maybe Ash has a new attitude she dam sure had one in ME 2 . we will not  know unless we see some game videos about her . 

[Iakus]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

It's not about hair.  It's not about makeup.  It's not even about not wearing armor (at least not when she's not in combat)  It's about this outfit.  This uniform/costume.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

Actually, wearing heavy armor, or at least armor, in combast situations is (or was) part of her personality.  The phrase she gives about "nice thick armor" refers to the fact that it protects her in combat.  She's practical.  While her superiors may issue a certain braind of armor to her, she recognizes how useful armor (the heavier the better) can be when people are trying to kill her.  Plus she's an ALliance soldier.  It's 'in her blood.'

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

Look at Ash.  Look at the woman in the Alliance uniform she's standing next to.  Which do you think would be more likely to impress a room full of admirals  with dignity and professionalism?

[InvincibleHero]

Xeranx wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

If we know this, then we know the other stuff as well.  You can't take some and leave the other because it doesn't fit your argument which is silly considering your acceptance of the part in bold.  

Ashley likes poetry.  Ashley doesn't have a sister.  She has three.  So you're already good for your knowledge of Ashley to give us what for. 

We know Ashley prefers thick armor and a big gun.  We know that she's a Marine and considers that aspect to be in her blood.  So what exactly are you talking about?

You're missing the point everything you think is established about Ashley came from BW. BW determines how Ashely behaves and it's that simple. Real life people make more radical changes so it is completely valid for them to do something you consider out of character based on your interpretation of the character.

Guess what you could be entirely wrong or even if right they can establish whatever they want and invalidate anything they want. it might not make for stellar writing but we don't even know that. They could have entirely plausible resons and yet all you got is I think this is how Ash should be. No leg to stand on.

Guess what want I said we know she has a sister is 100% true. The fact she has two others is irrelevant.

Those decisions might befit Alliance soldier Ashely but guess what spectre Ashley has a role change. Her mission priorites might likewise change. Spectres are solo so stealth might be more valued over big guns and clunky armor since they are outnumbered and cannot call upon a platoon of specialized marines to back them up.

You have no dog in this fight other than because I want it my way.

[Iakus]

InvincibleHero wrote...

iakus wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

The fact that you think Ash was ugly in ME1 tells me all I need to know.

Now hold on there. Attraction is purely opinion. I can think Scarlett Johannson is very beautiful which I do and many agree with that and yet other people don't find her appealing. It is highly subjective and says nothing about the person other than they might look for different traits than you do.

True enough.

But it also explains why some seem to think Ash "needed" glamming up at the expense of practicality or even past statements she made.

[Sgt Stryker]

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Yeah I called her butt ugly because she was . There was no sex appeal nothing that would make my shepard say dam I have to get with her . 

I love it when my opponents write rebuttals that damage their own argument and credibility. Makes things much easier for me. Thank you.

As far as ME 2 goes yeah some made these same arguments  but one thing is Miranda 's character backed up her outfit and design .

Really? Her character was a no-nonsense professional who got the job done, no matter what that job might entail. Her appearance was... stripperific. Until I installed AAP2, of course. Then she looked like she could actually hold her own in a fight.

Maybe Ash has a new attitude she dam sure had one in ME 2 . we will not  know unless we see some game videos about her .  

One can hope. Once again, the burden of proof is on Bioware.

[Mclouvins]

What you guys don't realize is that we have seen Ashley's armor. She got upgraded to an element zero power suit she nicknamed "box creature".

[Nashiktal]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...
Oh please lets don't talk about cartoon crap because thats what the reapers are . the outfit in the screen shot is fine. its time she got a update her ugly butt needed one since ME 1 . but hey I guess some on here like ugly butt women with no sex appeal .

Oh wow. The fact that you consider ME1 Ashley to be "ugly" and without sex appeal answers a lot of questions I wasn't about to ask.

In any case, I really wouldn't mind it if this was her casual Normandy outfit, similar to Vega's shirt and pants. However, we have yet to see the full armor that Casey Hudson tweeted about. Further, I very strongly hope that the concept art images are NOT representative of that armor. Now, say what you want about placeholders, but didn't people use a similar argument to defend Miranda before ME2 was released and Isabela before DA2 was released? I wasn't around before ME2's release, and I don't pay that much attention to Dragon Age, so I cannot comment on further on those issues.

     




Yeah I called her butt ugly because she was . There was no sex appeal nothing that would make my shepard say dam I have to get with her . As far as ME 2 goes yeah some made these same arguments  but one thing is Miranda 's character backed up her outfit and design .  Maybe Ash has a new attitude she dam sure had one in ME 2 . we will not  know unless we see some game videos about her . 

I found ashley plenty attractive, much more than liara and most of the other LI's at least. Still, her looks matter little during an intergalactic war of survival.

Also I didn't really find miranda's character to back up her outfit. That part of her characterization lasted about a sentence, the rest was just an excuse to show off her assets and make me wince in pain about wedgies and ridiculous camera shots.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 25 novembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[StephanieBengal]

All of you know that Ashley isn't real right?

[DoctorTurkleton]

i must be blind because i dont see much of a difference between old and new ash. me3 ash's outfit isn't to my liking but i expected as much when i seen miranda and samara.

[Sgt Stryker]

StephanieBengal wrote...

All of you know that Ashley isn't real right?

That thought has occurred to me, yes.

[Iakus]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You're missing the point everything you think is established about Ashley came from BW. BW determines how Ashely behaves and it's that simple. Real life people make more radical changes so it is completely valid for them to do something you consider out of character based on your interpretation of the character.

Guess what you could be entirely wrong or even if right they can establish whatever they want and invalidate anything they want. it might not make for stellar writing but we don't even know that. They could have entirely plausible resons and yet all you got is I think this is how Ash should be. No leg to stand on.

This is a lot like what had people screaming about Dragon Age 2 concerning characters like Anders, Cullen, and Leliana.

The whole Bioware saying  "Continuity's what I say it is!'

Guess what want I said we know she has a sister is 100% true. The fact she has two others is irrelevant.

Those decisions might befit Alliance soldier Ashely but guess what spectre Ashley has a role change. Her mission priorites might likewise change. Spectres are solo so stealth might be more valued over big guns and clunky armor since they are outnumbered and cannot call upon a platoon of specialized marines to back them up.

You have no dog in this fight other than because I want it my way.

:

Armored Spectres we've seen so far:
Nihlus
Shepard (especially soldier Shepard)
Kaidan
Tela Vasir
Saren

examples of as-yet unarmored Spectres.
Ashley.

There is zero reason why Ash's role should significantly change, especially since it would have been in less than one year, as she was still wearing thick armor and carrying a big gun on Horizon.

Modifié par iakus, 25 novembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[InvincibleHero]

@Iakus

Sure you can dsilike a specific appearance, but it in no way invalidates the character or makes her ineffective. BW establishes all that. Armor in ME had stats that meant something and most people swapped out that very weak phoenix set. You changed her appearance (only if you did I know some small amount RP) for your benefit. BW changes her appearance for her benefit and theirs and hopefully the majority of people that will buy ME3. we know none of that since ME3 is not in our hands yet. Facts are thin at this time.


See you admit it could be was because her role has certainly changed. It could also be armor that looks light is as protective as former Atlas armor due to advances, light armor is more preferrable for stealth missions, armor is ineffective against more pwoerful high velocity weapons or whatever BW wants to establish. We don't know the reasons yet people say this is a travesty based only upon what outcome they personally desire. Spectre is outside of Alliance command as aptly illustrated by ME and Shepard. Their orders have no weight unless Shepard chose to act upon them.

I don't know because I cannot read minds. What we do know is attractive women have more pull with men as proven by study after study. So showing skin could indeed lead to more favorable results. I have no doubts Ashley would follow protocol where it is warranted and of maximal benefit to her goals.

[CptData]

StephanieBengal wrote...

All of you know that Ashley isn't real right?

Wrong ...


Close enough

[jeweledleah]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

If we know this, then we know the other stuff as well.  You can't take some and leave the other because it doesn't fit your argument which is silly considering your acceptance of the part in bold.  

Ashley likes poetry.  Ashley doesn't have a sister.  She has three.  So you're already good for your knowledge of Ashley to give us what for. 

We know Ashley prefers thick armor and a big gun.  We know that she's a Marine and considers that aspect to be in her blood.  So what exactly are you talking about?

You're missing the point everything you think is established about Ashley came from BW. BW determines how Ashely behaves and it's that simple. Real life people make more radical changes so it is completely valid for them to do something you consider out of character based on your interpretation of the character.

Guess what you could be entirely wrong or even if right they can establish whatever they want and invalidate anything they want. it might not make for stellar writing but we don't even know that. They could have entirely plausible resons and yet all you got is I think this is how Ash should be. No leg to stand on.

Guess what want I said we know she has a sister is 100% true. The fact she has two others is irrelevant.

Those decisions might befit Alliance soldier Ashely but guess what spectre Ashley has a role change. Her mission priorites might likewise change. Spectres are solo so stealth might be more valued over big guns and clunky armor since they are outnumbered and cannot call upon a platoon of specialized marines to back them up.

You have no dog in this fight other than because I want it my way.

you know, that argument would have worked if not for couple of snags.  Kaidan the spectre and a biotic to boot, rather then a soldier - wears full armor.  Vasir in Shadow broker... wore full armor.  Shepard the wonder space Jesus - wears armor. even Liara has ceramic plating all over her labcoat, and a turtleneck like top that hides voulnurable spots on her chest and throat.

what exactly makes Ashley immune from everything that everyone else apparently isn't?

furthermore - there's character development that grows believably from innitial characterisation.. and then there's "they are becasue I need them to fit the plot, or more like - Miranda is not a full squadmate anymore,we need to fill our hot chick quota.

one of the defining characteristics of Ashley.. was her sensibility.  are you trying to tell us that by becoming a spectre, she lost all traces of it?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 25 novembre 2011 - 07:03 .

[Xeranx]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I love this on one hand people grouse BW characters never evolve, yet when they make changes they decry them as not in character as if they write the character and having the smallest exposure to said character. BW made them they get to write the personality and decide what happens we react to that. That's just the way it works.

A female changing her appearnace certainly has no precedence in daily life. LOL. You see it all the time in every day women and celebs alike.

Another point is people saying heavy armor was part of her personality. I'd have to say a stone cold catch phrase here. as H NO. She was alliance military part of a chain of command and on the lower rungs, she wore what she was ordered to. As a spectre she has the power and autonomy to do her job as she sees fit. That means she can wear whatever she pleases. If everyone could wear what they wanted to work most would take advanatge of it male or female.

We also had a very incomplete glimpse at her personality so saying ME set anything in stone is facetious. About the only facts we know she has a sister and likes poetry and was a soldier and maybe a few other minor things. We do know she dressed to the nines to impress someone before. So how isn't it in character for her to glam up?

If we know this, then we know the other stuff as well.  You can't take some and leave the other because it doesn't fit your argument which is silly considering your acceptance of the part in bold.  

Ashley likes poetry.  Ashley doesn't have a sister.  She has three.  So you're already good for your knowledge of Ashley to give us what for. 

We know Ashley prefers thick armor and a big gun.  We know that she's a Marine and considers that aspect to be in her blood.  So what exactly are you talking about?

You're missing the point everything you think is established about Ashley came from BW. BW determines how Ashely behaves and it's that simple. Real life people make more radical changes so it is completely valid for them to do something you consider out of character based on your interpretation of the character.

Guess what you could be entirely wrong or even if right they can establish whatever they want and invalidate anything they want. it might not make for stellar writing but we don't even know that. They could have entirely plausible resons and yet all you got is I think this is how Ash should be. No leg to stand on.

Guess what want I said we know she has a sister is 100% true. The fact she has two others is irrelevant.

Those decisions might befit Alliance soldier Ashely but guess what spectre Ashley has a role change. Her mission priorites might likewise change. Spectres are solo so stealth might be more valued over big guns and clunky armor since they are outnumbered and cannot call upon a platoon of specialized marines to back them up.

You have no dog in this fight other than because I want it my way.

Me mentioning she has three was clarifying that she doesn't just have 'a' sister because the way you put it could be interepreted that she doesn't have more than one.  In light of that it's completely relevant.  You're the one who mentioned facts and left 2/3 of it out regarding "a few other" things as minor.

And speaking of: You mentioned that besides her love of poetry, that she has a sister, and that she's a soldier that the other stuff was minor.  Or is that wrong considering how you worded it?  

Coming back to your statement about facts, since you brought it up, Ashley could completely hate poetry in ME3 so why mention facts at all if you're only concerned with the ones you cite?  Regarding that I think your last statement suits you more.