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[jackyboy666]

I'm sorry to sound ignorant to this thread but, have they kept Ashleys face the same as ME1+2 but let her hair down in 3? And her armour is different? I wish they wouldnt have changed her face in ME3 it looks way to extremely different. IMO

[Swampthing500]

GodWood wrote...

Swampthing500 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Swampthing500 wrote...
It's no Bioware, it is the skeletal hand of EA insisting that ME3 bring in the mindless FPS crowd.

Oh if only that were true...

http://www.escapistm...to-Wider-Market

"BioWare was taking apart various elements of the Mass Effect experience and adjusting them to give the game a more broad market appeal."

I know it's comforting to blame this all on EA and think deep down the 'true Bioware' exists somewhere, but it doesn't. Bioware sold out.

Bioware was doing it because it is the company making ME3, so of course they handle the actual development and modification. But the actual impetus comes from EA since the article mentioned EA wants the IP to appeal to the largest possible audience.

[CerberusWarrior]

yeah and EA has a right to make it appeal to a wider audience .

[V-rex]

To reiterate my views, I love Ashley. Always have and no matter how Bioware choose to design her, I always will. While I'm hardly of the mindset that Ashley's outfit makes her look like a hooker or various other colorful words people on youtube comment pages have used to describe it, I also can't really say I approve of the redesign. Or in the way it was presented in that concept art picture (Kaidan is shown standing normally holding a weapon while Ashley does a bunch of sexualized center fold poses with no weapon at all. Implying that her presence as a soldier and fighter are now taking a backseat in favor of other 'assets'.)
I certainly can't approve of some of the attitudes of the people defending the design either, especially those among you who dared to call Ashley 'ugly'. Insult my woman and I shall slap you with a glove and demand a duel!

Thing is, I actually don't hate the outfit, I am not pleased with it and I'm not going to leap to it's defence but at the same time I can admit that compared to the outfits of Miranda and Samara it's not as bad and while saying 'it's not as bad' is never a great justification I feel that if Mass Effect really is going to unavoidably leap head first into the 'cool over realism superhero outfit' realm and never return, Ashley's outfit is still slightly less shameful then it could have been.
Not that great in and of itself but still, it could be worse...
(That said I facepalmed myself hard enough to draw blood when I saw what her outfit looks like from behind and again the poses in that concept art really grate on my nerves.)

Maybe it's just because I'm just glad that Ashley's back, or maybe it's because the leaks made me realize that eventually Ashley's looks could be the least of my worries, but ultimatley even though I will wince at the outfit, if this really is the only way I can have Ashley in Mass Effect 3 (even though I sincerely hope this is not the case) then I will force on a smile for old times sake and look forward to the romance scene where, hopefully, Shepard will be able to tear that outfit right off her.

*ahem*

Anyway the fact is that Bioware have flat out admitted that the design was primarily for sex appeal and I guess to quote that one guy on that one Firefly episode:
"Well, I appreciate your honesty. Not, you know... a lot."

But still overt sexualization aside, Ashley's still my girl and while the outfit pains me a little I can push it past me and remain hopeful for armor being confirmed later down the line. Not 'jumping through the sunny meadows and gleaming with starry eyes happy' about it but also not 'filled with incredible murderous cannibalistic rage' about it either, so that's a plus.

I just hope Bioware understands that no matter what aesthetic design they give Ashley, I will still romance her and be happy regardless... but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try.

[V-rex]

CerberusWarrior wrote...


wow typical video game forum crap why am I not surprised .  You just don't like the fact I basically said what people on this thread have no balls to say and that this whole issue  is over sex appeal and nothing else . I do not give a dam if that pisses you off but the truth hurts doesn't it . Oh thats right you can hide behind your stupid lore garbage all you want .  Hollyood seems to have a handle on sex appeal and kick ass female characters in movies and tv shows .

Maybe the issue people have is that the message both the games industry and Hollywood seem to be conveying is that there simply is no place for kick ass female characters unless they have sex appeal.

That there just isn't a place for an ordinary but attractive looking woman in ordinary combat gear (relative to the fictional universe she's in of course) in the lead role of an action game, that instead she must be a super sexy vixen to be considered 'acceptable'.

[CptData]

Good speech V-rex. I second that. Ashley will be my girl, and one of my top 10 all time favs.
Looks is not the only thing defining Ashley. Her character is, from what I got, not changed or twisted - just matured. In a very pleasant way.

[CerberusWarrior]

V-rex wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


wow typical video game forum crap why am I not surprised .  You just don't like the fact I basically said what people on this thread have no balls to say and that this whole issue  is over sex appeal and nothing else . I do not give a dam if that pisses you off but the truth hurts doesn't it . Oh thats right you can hide behind your stupid lore garbage all you want .  Hollyood seems to have a handle on sex appeal and kick ass female characters in movies and tv shows .

Maybe the issue people have is that the message both the games industry and Hollywood seem to be conveying is that there simply is no place for kick ass female characters unless they have sex appeal.

That there just isn't a place for an ordinary but attractive looking woman in ordinary combat gear (relative to the fictional universe she's in of course) in the lead role of an action game, that instead she must be a super sexy vixen to be considered 'acceptable'.

Some on here have a problem with sex appeal in general. No one  would be whining if she was fully clothed all the time in 3 .

[Dexi]

Lol, the level of fanboysm here is beyond any entity's power of measuring.

She's hotter now... I might even romance her in a playthrough... that if she cut the homophobic crap off.

[CerberusWarrior]

Its sad that in 2011 we still have people who hate sexy looking women in games but have no issues with them getting treated like dog crap in games such as GTA

[GodWood]

Dexi wrote...
She's hotter now... I might even romance her in a playthrough... that if she cut the homophobic crap off.

Homophobic?

[CerberusWarrior]

She is better looking in 3 than she was in 1 and 2

[Swampthing500]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

yeah and EA has a right to make it appeal to a wider audience .

Rights do not always equate to "sensible decision"

In this case the result is to hollow out a previously great RPG series.

[Lukertin]

Swampthing500 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

yeah and EA has a right to make it appeal to a wider audience .

Rights do not always equate to "sensible decision"

In this case the result is to hollow out a previously great RPG series.

You're the one being shallow if you think a minor cosmetic change moves mountains and floods cities

[BounceDK]

Who needs Miranda when you got the new and improved plastic-stuffed Ashley?
I for one am not complaining about her new looks because now she is yum.

Modifié par BounceDK, 25 novembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[Swampthing500]

Lukertin wrote...

Swampthing500 wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

yeah and EA has a right to make it appeal to a wider audience .

Rights do not always equate to "sensible decision"

In this case the result is to hollow out a previously great RPG series.

You're the one being shallow if you think a minor cosmetic change moves mountains and floods cities

It's indicative of a wider trend. Multiplayer, action mode, and now Hooker-Ashley. Bioware is dying in terms of being a quality RPG developer.

Modifié par Swampthing500, 25 novembre 2011 - 11:06 .

[jackyboy666]

Nothing against attractive women in games. I just find it hard to explain how a character can change so drastically facially wise. I didnt actually think the Ashely in 1 + 2 was that unattractive. it was just a typical soldier/woman attitude that perhaps seemed a bit 'unwomanly' and unattractive that put me off a little. But that being said, it's Ash, she is a soldier and her looks and personality were unique. Blah

[Someone With Mass]

Swampthing500 wrote...
It's indicative of a wider trend. Multiplayer, action mode, and now Hooker-Ashley. Bioware is dying in terms of being a quality RPG developer.

Beacuse their previous RPGs that were highly praised didn't have any multiplayer at all. Oh wait...

I personally think they're better than most developers out there. 

[Swampthing500]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Swampthing500 wrote...
It's indicative of a wider trend. Multiplayer, action mode, and now Hooker-Ashley. Bioware is dying in terms of being a quality RPG developer.

Beacuse their previous RPGs that were highly praised didn't have any multiplayer at all. Oh wait...

I personally think they're better than most developers out there. 

Multiplayer is an unnecessary addition. ME was like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series: classic single player rpgs with attention focused on gameplay, the lore and the setting.

Now to get the Bro-crowd, multiplater has been shoe-horned in despite previous assurances the contrary. I suspect this was due to rEAper domination.

[Adanu]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

V-rex wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...


wow typical video game forum crap why am I not surprised .  You just don't like the fact I basically said what people on this thread have no balls to say and that this whole issue  is over sex appeal and nothing else . I do not give a dam if that pisses you off but the truth hurts doesn't it . Oh thats right you can hide behind your stupid lore garbage all you want .  Hollyood seems to have a handle on sex appeal and kick ass female characters in movies and tv shows .

Maybe the issue people have is that the message both the games industry and Hollywood seem to be conveying is that there simply is no place for kick ass female characters unless they have sex appeal.

That there just isn't a place for an ordinary but attractive looking woman in ordinary combat gear (relative to the fictional universe she's in of course) in the lead role of an action game, that instead she must be a super sexy vixen to be considered 'acceptable'.

Some on here have a problem with sex appeal in general. No one  would be whining if she was fully clothed all the time in 3 .

Somehow having sex appeal automatically is wron in some peoples eyes because it makes them 'shallow' apparently. This is video games people. If you want reality, go outside.

[Someone With Mass]

Swampthing500 wrote...

Multiplayer is an unnecessary addition. ME was like Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series: classic single player rpgs with attention focused on gameplay, the lore and the setting.

Now to get the Bro-crowd, multiplater has been shoe-horned in despite previous assurances the contrary. I suspect this was due to rEAper domination.

Wow.

Last time I checked, BioWare is focusing on those three things in ME3 (and before you start rambling about how ME2 wasn't, find someone who cares on the ME2 board), and I haven't seen anyone from BioWare directly deny the possibility of multiplayer in ME3.

The confirmed features shows plenty of things that goes well over ME1's economy and item system, and everyone praised and loved that steaming pile of crap, even if it was broken beyond weeping hilarity.

But I digress.

As for Ashley, I like that black suit from the concept art the best. The one in the beta looks like a cheap Miranda imitation.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 25 novembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[CptData]

Dexi wrote...

Lol, the level of fanboysm here is beyond any entity's power of measuring.

She's hotter now... I might even romance her in a playthrough... that if she cut the homophobic crap off.

Homophobic?
Romancing a character because of looks while not getting in touch with that character is ... shallow tbh.

[Swampthing500]

CptData wrote...

Dexi wrote...

Lol, the level of fanboysm here is beyond any entity's power of measuring.

She's hotter now... I might even romance her in a playthrough... that if she cut the homophobic crap off.

Homophobic?
Romancing a character because of looks while not getting in touch with that character is ... shallow tbh.

What I liked about Ashley's character was that she combined femininity with toughness. She was a front-line combatant who liked poetry and had a close relationship with her family, yet she did not fall into the womanly =fanservice category.

Until now.

Modifié par Swampthing500, 25 novembre 2011 - 12:36 .