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[Yakko77]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

who would know wrote...

Thank you.

Ah. A call to a good 'ol game of Asswars?



Challenge accepted.

I thought Tali was all about "dem hips".  LOL!!!

As for Ashleys new look, I'm not overly concerned about her altered facial structure and in fact I like it as she looks a bit more feminine now and her armor seems protective and covering while in good video game sense is still form fitting and just sexy enough to please a mostly male audience.

[Sylvianus]

Because Ashley was badass in M1 and M2 with her white and rose armor ? ...

The first time I've seen her on Eden Prime in Mass effect 1, I didn't think at all she was badass in this armor.. I was interested in her, once I discussed with her.

This armor white and pink was ridiculous, or at the very least, everything but impressive ...

I was glad to put on her something else. Ashley was badass because of her personality, not because of her random uniform on the normandy too, exactly the same generic dress for all human female and male ont the normandy.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 novembre 2011 - 06:36 .

[Harmless Citizen]

"A bit more feminine"?



>_>

[Iakus]

CptData wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I don't know cpt, if batman started wearing bright yellow colors and boxers for arkham city,, and that is the only thing we have been seeing him wear, (outside his pink shirtless outfit offered in preorder) then of course people will be upset. Even if he the fans were told that he would wear his normal black suit while on missions it seems like a radical change for batman as a character to do.

The tweet about Ashley having armor (the one that finally clarifies that what we have seen is only "casual wear" that she can bring into combat apparently, does that mean shep can bring tuxedo into combat?) is very recent and even then it still does not show us what she looks like in armor.

I have more faith now of course, but it wont sway those who hate the new look, and coupled with the fact these changes happen after ashley's writer had left... Well people are legitimately worried.

I can hear you - and I concur.

But Ashley is not Batman. Batman -is- defined by his dark costume. Although his outfit had to undergo several reviews - if you would take a Batman fan of the original series to today, he wouldn't like that new outfit. Because it comes out of nowhere. Transition missing.

Ashley's new look comes out of nowhere. There's no transition between ME-Ashley and ME3-Ashley - she simply got another look, that, according to a lot of fans, changed her character as well. I'm okay with first part - it could have helped to show some kind of transition from one look to another.
Also Ashley's character is -not- defined by her appearance. She's still a tough soldier - but one that's off duty. She's also no longer in regular chain of command (Spectre) and therefore is not restricted to regulations about uniform and hair. Mayb Ashley always wanted to have her hair open but since she always was in duty on the Normandy SR1, she never was allowed to have her hair open.

We simply don't know. Maybe Shepard can ask Ashley at some point why see changed her style. I hope BW will give us that chance, and I'll ask her. If it makes sense, I'm perfectly fine with that. If it's totally OOC, I don't know how much it will change my opinion of Ashley - especially if Ash still acts like I'm used to.
ME3 isn't here now. I'm looking forward and hope Ashley will be the very same Ashley I loved as a character in ME. If yes, everything will be fine ..

Ah but Boware is now on an "iconic look" kick.  Appearance does reflect character now.  Or at least, is meant to.  It does not by itselof define the character, but is a large part of showing us who and what the character is.

 How does that outfit reflect "powerful representitive of the Council, respected and feared throughout Citadel space"?  Can you imagine her addressing admirals in that outfit?  Ambassadors?  Can you see her interrogating criminals?  Questioning businessmen?  Delivering reports to the Council?  Ambassador Udina looks more dignified!

Maybe there is a reason why she's dressed like that.  but it better be addressed early and Ash better be extremely unhappy about it.  IMO Bioware was foolish to let this sit this long.  After the catsuits they put female squadmates in for MAss Effect 2, it's not unreasonable to be worried about the most pragmatic female character in ME3, especially afrer the footage we've seen.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

tmp7704 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

completely different eyebrows, different eye shape, and slight tweaks to the facial structure.

The facial structure looks pretty much intact to me. Regarding the eyebrow and eye shape, given how they're quite different on the alternative outfit screenshot, i'd be inclined to think that what is shown on the picture in the thread here is a beta glitch -- it's not like Ashley couldn't look quite different in the previous games, too, when things bugged out:

http://t2.gstatic.co...RM-Gv2U6hf6ngZY

Ignore her being cross-eyed for a second and note the eye shape.

You may be right about the eyes.... b/c in the following pic... they look like the ME2 version from that comparison screenshot... but the eyebrows are different and are also adjusted according in this pic. I think it looks much more like her in the far right pic:



Also, I think they eyebrows actually say a lot about her character, but maybe that's just me. The one eyebrow gives her that tougher look, while the other gives her a more feminine look. 

[tmp7704]

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Ashley was badass in M1 and M2 with her white and rose armor ? ...

Phoenix armour looks best on Wrex, anyway.

[Iakus]

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Ashley was badass in M1 and M2 with her white and rose armor ? ...

The first time I've seen her on Eden Prime in Mass effect 1, I didn't think at all she was badass in this armor.. I was interested in her, once I discussed with her.

This armor white and pink was ridiculous, or at the very least, everything but impressive ...

I was glad to put on her something else. Ashley was badass because of her personality, not because of her random uniform on the normandy too, exactly the same generic dress for all human female and male ont the normandy.

And we were able to put her in something different as soon as she joined the party.  She never had to wear white and pink again if you didn't want her to. (Well, save for the cutscenes on Virmire)

Could we do that for Samara?  No.  recolors only

Can we do that for Ash in ME3?

Somehow, I doubt it.  

[DoNotIngest]

Yakko77 wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Merchant2006 wrote...

who would know wrote...

Thank you.

Ah. A call to a good 'ol game of Asswars?



Challenge accepted.

I thought Tali was all about "dem hips".  LOL!!!

Funnily enough, in this case dem hips seem to lead to dat azz.



But it doesn't work the other way around.



Dat be mah hella gud secret wepon tbh

[tmp7704]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

but the eyebrows are different and are also adjusted according in this pic. I think it looks much more like her in the far right pic:

However if you look at the picture i posted, it becomes quite apparent Ashley's eyebrows were similarly light in tone originally... so it could be argued they aren't as much "changing her" but going back to the original look, in that regard? If the shots in these comparison pics weren't colour-adjusted/otherwise retouched to begin with, which would also affect the comparisons, obv. 

(i'm not sure whether the layout has changed, between the possible beta bugs and how the new haircut covers most of one of them, which does affect character's appearance because her brows are quite assymetrical)

Modifié par tmp7704, 27 novembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[CptData]

iakus wrote...

Ah but Boware is now on an "iconic look" kick.  Appearance does reflect character now.  Or at least, is meant to.  It does not by itselof define the character, but is a large part of showing us who and what the character is.

Must say, these words come with a lot of truth. I'm not a fan of "iconic" characters. Actually, I'm more a fan of characters you can't put in a category until fully explored and even then they still should be able to surprise you. That's Ashley in Mass Effect. You can peg Ash as "tough soldier" or "racist & zealot" or whatever you want with the first lines of talk, but if you explore her, you'll find out not everything you tought of her first does apply on her character.

 How does that outfit reflect "powerful representitive of the Council, respected and feared throughout Citadel space"?  Can you imagine her addressing admirals in that outfit?  Ambassadors?  Can you see her interrogating criminals?  Questioning businessmen?  Delivering reports to the Council?  Ambassador Udina looks more dignified!

I wonder if Ashley had picked her outfit by herself or if it got issued to her. If Ash picked it on her own I believe (or pretend, pick one) she had a good reason for that. Maybe she simply wanted to show a bit more. It's not fully "Ashley" as we know her, but also not totally impossible - Ash is a woman after all, and she's extremely confident about her body & sexuality. Maybe she simply wanted to show her feminine side. We never saw Ash in civil attire, I bet she's used to wear more ... feminine stuff.

Maybe there is a reason why she's dressed like that.  but it better be addressed early and Ash better be extremely unhappy about it.  IMO Bioware was foolish to let this sit this long.  After the catsuits they put female squadmates in for MAss Effect 2, it's not unreasonable to be worried about the most pragmatic female character in ME3, especially afrer the footage we've seen.

I don't think Ash is "unhappy" with her official dress - and if Ash confesses she want her old uniform back, I hope the player can pick that old uniform for her off duty dress. Besides that, I'm okay with her new appearance, especially since she won't wear it in battle but get her own armor. I hope it'll be a modified Phoenix armor, since that's her "iconic armor".

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

tmp7704 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

but the eyebrows are different and are also adjusted according in this pic. I think it looks much more like her in the far right pic:

However if you look at the picture i posted, it becomes quite apparent Ashley's eyebrows were similarly light in tone originally... so it could be argued they aren't as much "changing her" but going back to the original look, in that regard? If the shots in these comparison pics weren't colour-adjusted/otherwise retouched to begin with, which would also affect the comparisons, obv. 

(i'm not sure whether the layout has changed, between the possible beta bugs and how the new haircut covers most of one of them, which does affect character's appearance because her brows are quite assymetrical)

I'm not sure what you're saying here...

in the picture I posted... the ME1 Ash has very dark eyebrows and they are angular. In the pic you posted, they look lighter, but are still angular (look a little flat due to the expression she's making)... and in the ME3 pictures her eyebrows aren't dark and have no angular look to them and she was even making an expression in the ME3 pic. They changed her eyebrows. 

[Sylvianus]

iakus wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Because Ashley was badass in M1 and M2 with her white and rose armor ? ...

The first time I've seen her on Eden Prime in Mass effect 1, I didn't think at all she was badass in this armor.. I was interested in her, once I discussed with her.

This armor white and pink was ridiculous, or at the very least, everything but impressive ...

I was glad to put on her something else. Ashley was badass because of her personality, not because of her random uniform on the normandy too, exactly the same generic dress for all human female and male ont the normandy.

And we were able to put her in something different as soon as she joined the party.  She never had to wear white and pink again if you didn't want her to. (Well, save for the cutscenes on Virmire)

Can we do that for Ash in ME3?

Somehow, I doubt it.  

And that's where we disagree, because I want myself a full armor for Ashley too. You doubt we will be able to change, I am confident, we'll see who is right. The only thing I hate, is when you ask for removing something, even if Bioware promise you what you need to remain alive.

@ TPM. lol. I won't argue about It. Wrex FTW with this armor.

[CptData]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I'm not sure what you're saying here...

in the picture I posted... the ME1 Ash has very dark eyebrows and they are angular. In the pic you posted, they look lighter, but are still angular (look a little flat due to the expression she's making)... and in the ME3 pictures her eyebrows aren't dark and have no angular look to them and she was even making an expression in the ME3 pic. They changed her eyebrows. 

At least there's a chance BW staff will adjust Ashley's face last minute. I think her angular eyebrows are sexy (and give her an interesting touch). It's just a texture that needs to be replaced - not much work. However, I don't think BW will doing it except they already did it because of feedback of leaked beta.

[tmp7704]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I'm not sure what you're saying here...

I'm saying that tone-wise the eyebrows of ME3 Ashley look to me about the same they look on the ME1 Ashley shots i found. Like on the one here:



As such, it makes me wonder if the "darker, thicker" eyebrows in these comparison pictures aren't result of colour adjustments done to the screenshot by the person who took it, to improve the appearance, or just a matter of lighting used in the scene.

The shape does appear different, but at the moment it's difficult for me to say exactly what shape ME3 Ashley was given -- because we don't know whether the beta build used as the base for this thread renders her face all proper.

[DoNotIngest]

^Is it just me, or is there no picture in which ME1/ME2 Ashley doesn't look a tad derpy?



<--- Doesn't like ME3 Ashley.

[Sylvianus]

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else ( in any case not a generic dress )showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:08 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

"more mature" ... that outfit they gave her certainly doesn't scream "more mature" to me...

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[string3r]

I don't know. Why does Shepard have a beard?

[Sylvianus]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

"more mature" ... that outfit they gave her certainly doesn't scream "more mature" to me...

And that's your opinion and that's fine. And I can understand your opinion,  that's why I am for several outfits. Choose what fits the most for Ashley according to you. That's what customization is calling for.

Talk about BOOBS, mini skirt if you want. But,  When I read that, it means nothing to me, it means some are not interested in debate, only engaged in a trolling,  because they do not like it. ( no offense, just my opinion ) I'm not ready to agree with that kind of arguments.

Because, when I am looking at this outfit, it's funny but it reveals absolutely nothing. I don't see the mini skirt, I don't see the boobs.  It is conservative. Or at least, show me where are the naked parts. This outfit can take the role of diplomacy dress for a spectre. Especially that  it is protected in some parts. This is perfect for a diplomatic mission with officers or other. Not an armor, not too aggressive , but something that can protect her. Perfect.

You don't see the same, no problem, I hope you 'll find what you seek. But  try to remember  that your opinion is only your opinion, not universal thruth. This outfit is fine for me. Now I wait too see the other outfits.

Some Ashley's fans don't like it, some do. And they care all about Ashley.

What I don't want ? Something generic for Ashley, that shows she is the same random soldier .

I hope the same for the armor.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:28 .

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Sylvianus wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

"more mature" ... that outfit they gave her certainly doesn't scream "more mature" to me...

And that's your opinion and that's fine. And I can understand your opinion,  that's why I am for several outfits. Choose what fits the most for Ashley according to you. That's what customization is calling for.

Talk about BOOBS, mini skirt if you want. But,  When I read that, it means nothing to me, it means some are not interested in debate, only engaged in a trolling,  because they do not like it. ( no offense, just my opinion ) I'm not ready to agree with that kind of arguments.

Because, when I am looking at this outfit, it's funny but it reveals absolutely nothing. I don't see the mini skirt, I don't see the boobs.  It is conservative. Or at least, show me where are the naked parts. This outfit can take the role of diplomacy dress for a spectre. Especially that  it is protected in some parts. This is perfect for a diplomatic mission with officers or other. Not an armor, not too aggressive , but something that can protect her. Perfect.

You don't see the same, no problem, I hope you 'll find what you seek. But  try to remember  that your opinion is only your opinion, not universal thruth. This outfit is fine for me. Now I wait too see the other outfits.

Some Ashley's fans don't like it, some do. And they care all about Ashley.

What I don't want ? Something generic for Ashley, that shows she is the same random soldier .

I hope the same for the armor.

I'm all for something that sets her apart from "random soldiers" ... but it doesn't need to look too out of place. Like her current outfit does and it definitely needs to look more professional. 

A good example for armor would be something like Tela Vasir's armor... looks unique without being out of place and it looks like something a spectre would wear. Or for casual outfits... something like what shepard is wearing in the demo. Ashley's outfit just doesn't fit with anything IMO.

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:35 .

[Sylvianus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

"more mature" ... you wouldn't know it from that outfit they gave her.

Well, Samara was pretty mature, and just look at her outfit. Not that it really suited her either...

It didn't fit her ? I don't know, it's pretty much respect the lore to me, she is an asari. And Asari  aren't afraid about their sexuality. It is something that is natural, that they do not think, unlike humans. So being mature or not, has nothing to do with her armor a bit opened.

Did I think that Samara wasn't mature because of this " detail " ? Hell no, what a joke.

M2 did make some mistake, I always said they should at least give one pratical armor ( I don't complain about samara ) to all people. First because it's better, and especially because, everyone will be fine.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:38 .

[Sylvianus]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I don't care the iconic look of Ashley. What I need, a pratical armor, a diplomatic outfit of something else showing that Ashley isn't anymore a random soldier, and also not only a soldier who is only able to kick ass, hasn't intelligence skills.

She's a spectre now, more than a random soldier. Bioware said she will be more mature, I hope it's true.

"more mature" ... that outfit they gave her certainly doesn't scream "more mature" to me...

And that's your opinion and that's fine. And I can understand your opinion,  that's why I am for several outfits. Choose what fits the most for Ashley according to you. That's what customization is calling for.

Talk about BOOBS, mini skirt if you want. But,  When I read that, it means nothing to me, it means some are not interested in debate, only engaged in a trolling,  because they do not like it. ( no offense, just my opinion ) I'm not ready to agree with that kind of arguments.

Because, when I am looking at this outfit, it's funny but it reveals absolutely nothing. I don't see the mini skirt, I don't see the boobs.  It is conservative. Or at least, show me where are the naked parts. This outfit can take the role of diplomacy dress for a spectre. Especially that  it is protected in some parts. This is perfect for a diplomatic mission with officers or other. Not an armor, not too aggressive , but something that can protect her. Perfect.

You don't see the same, no problem, I hope you 'll find what you seek. But  try to remember  that your opinion is only your opinion, not universal thruth. This outfit is fine for me. Now I wait too see the other outfits.

Some Ashley's fans don't like it, some do. And they care all about Ashley.

What I don't want ? Something generic for Ashley, that shows she is the same random soldier .

I hope the same for the armor.

I'm all for something that sets her apart from "random soldiers" ... but it doesn't need to look too out of place. Like her current outfit does and it definitely needs to look more professional. 

A good example for armor would be something like Tela Vasir's armor... looks unique without being out of place and it looks like something a spectre would wear. Or for casual outfits... something like what shepard is wearing in the demo. Ashley's outfit just doesn't fit with anything IMO.

Well, actually it's like the personality of Ashley. There are things which we agree or do not agree about her and what she would think, or what would fit her or not. But I get what you are saying.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 novembre 2011 - 07:48 .