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[CptData]

^ I must second that.

Ashley is one of few characters you can call "life-like". No horrible past, no major flaws ... just like the girl next door. Of course, this girl has a boomstick and tends to blow stuff up, but still.
She could be your Sergeant in the battlefield. It works.

[LPPrince]

Well, she isn't going to be less realistic if she ends up more sexualized(to a point), BUT-

I'd rather she stick to her values made evident in ME1.

She'd rather be covered head to toe in armor and kick your ass than wear skin tight "armor" and seduce you during a gunfight.

[Xeranx]

LPPrince wrote...

Well, she isn't going to be less realistic if she ends up more sexualized(to a point), BUT-

I'd rather she stick to her values made evident in ME1.

She'd rather be covered head to toe in armor and kick your ass than wear skin tight "armor" and seduce you during a gunfight.

I don't mean to imply that she'll be less realistic if she ends up more sexualized.  We have Kim Kardashian as proof that there are "real" people who are sexualized first and foremost before anything else.

My thing is that I want Ashley to be wearing her look and not for the look to be wearing Ashley.  With this change Bioware is trying to have Ashley own it, but I don't see it working.  That ready for battle shot I saw with Ashley in the same getup and Liara in armor highlights this immensely.

[Heimdall]

I think I'm just going to reserve judgement until I have the game in my hands. I'm getting some mixed signals that make me edgy, but this isn't likely to be enough to make me stop getting the game.

[TheRealJayDee]

Xeranx wrote...

Ashely doesn't need a "prettier" side, she's beautiful as she is.  More feminine?  We got the idea that she has that feminine side when she mentions the tin foil mini-skirt and thigh high boots.  She also talks about going out dancing with her sisters if you talk to her at Flux.

This so-called "sex appeal" is of the high school "would-you-hit-that" mentality and unfortunately many have responded in exactly that manner.  It's demeaning.

Everything about Ashley screams real person.  I'm not saying that she is a real person, but I mean that I can absolutely guarantee that there are a few people exactly like her somewhere.  Ashley is down-to-earth in more ways than one.  That's why I like her.  

And again somebody perfectly sums up what this is all about. Thank you, and hopefully people read and understand this.

[BasBystander]

My guess on Ashley's change of appearance is because she no longer has to follow military regulations in terms of appearance.
Women in the service must cut their hair short or keep it tied back, and are hardly allowed to use cosmetics. Ashley answers to the council now, so she can wear her hair any way she likes and wear as much or as little make up as she wants.
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Note: If something of this gist is already up in the 50 pages of posts don't tear into me...I'm innocent I tells you!!

[tmp7704]

Xeranx wrote...

The funny thing about the so-called "pink" stripe is that it's supposed to be red.  It's washed out in-game.  Look at the box for Mass Effect and you'll see that it's red. 

No, the trimming is pretty definitely pink



Compare the tone to the N7 patch and the age rating mark, which are actually red.

However, i believe the pink is there to mark the "healing" aspects of Phoenix armour, not "girly". But then of course, why was that particular armour selected for Ashley as her default gear is anyone's guess.

Modifié par tmp7704, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:56 .

[Ghost-621]

LPPrince wrote...

Well, she isn't going to be less realistic if she ends up more sexualized(to a point), BUT-

I'd rather she stick to her values made evident in ME1.

She'd rather be covered head to toe in armor and kick your ass than wear skin tight "armor" and seduce you during a gunfight.

You and I both.

Sadly, it appears that Bioware has done everything they can to "forget" about ME1.

Modifié par Ghost-621, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:53 .

[Sgt Stryker]

tmp7704 wrote...

However, i believe the pink is there to mark the "healing" aspects of Phoenix armour, not "girly". But then of course, why was that particular armour selected for Ashley as her default gear is anyone's guess.

In my head-canon I've convinced myself that Phoenix armor is actually a utility suit developed by the Sirta Corporation and used by medical personnel. One guess as to which character gets that first set of Scorpion I armor you come across on Eden Prime in my playthroughs... :happy:

Of course, it doesn't help that Ash still ends up wearing Phoenix on Virmire and in ME2.

[Burneye Is God]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...





Say what now?

i think ash looks   hehe and is that vega? looks awesome!!!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Xeranx wrote...
Ashely doesn't need a "prettier" side, she's beautiful as she is.  More feminine?  We got the idea that she has that feminine side when she mentions the tin foil mini-skirt and thigh high boots.  She also talks about going out dancing with her sisters if you talk to her at Flux.

This so-called "sex appeal" is of the high school "would-you-hit-that" mentality and unfortunately many have responded in exactly that manner.  It's demeaning.

Everything about Ashley screams real person.  I'm not saying that she is a real person, but I mean that I can absolutely guarantee that there are a few people exactly like her somewhere.  Ashley is down-to-earth in more ways than one.  That's why I like her.  

Quoted b/c this needs to be seen, read .... and then seen and read over and over again.

This is exactly what this whole argument is about. Her character.

[Xeranx]

tmp7704 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The funny thing about the so-called "pink" stripe is that it's supposed to be red.  It's washed out in-game.  Look at the box for Mass Effect and you'll see that it's red. 

No, the trimming is pretty definitely pink



Compare the tone to the N7 patch and the age rating mark, which are actually red.

However, i believe the pink is there to mark the "healing" aspects of Phoenix armour, not "girly". But then of course, why was that particular armour selected for Ashley as her default gear is anyone's guess.

I'm looking at my box and it appears to be red.  Even the back of the box with the different helmet has red stripping.

In any case, I never thought anything about the color of Phoenix armor.  White and red or white and pink makes no difference as far as I'm concerned.  Perhaps she likes pink.  

I put her in a different suit because even at its best (X) it doesn't offer adequate protection.  Scorpion armor protects better.  That bummed me out because I wanted to keep her in what I understood to be her signature look.

Modifié par Xeranx, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[Wulfram]

Wrex is the only character who can really pull off the Phoenix armour look.  Of course, he could probably carry off Ashley's new outfit too.

Modifié par Wulfram, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[Michale_Jackson]

I'm amazed at how most of you remember the armor names. Perhaps because I haven't played in ME1 in almost 2 years.

[LPPrince]

I put everybody but Wrex, Garrus, and myself in Colossus L/M/X armor.

But anyway, look at Ash in the ME1 cover.

She looks sexualized there, just with her pose.

AND SHE'S WEARING FULL ARMOR.

I don't see why that can't be continued. She doesn't need to be slimmed down or wear lighter clothing.

There are other ways to make her more "feminine" if they so choose, and those ways don't have to be corny or stupid.

To be honest, I don't care that much about her new look. I like it. I just hope she can still look like the Ash I knew in ME1. Heavy armor, a ponytail, and big guns.

So I don't mind the new look. I'm just hoping we have more options with her.

Modifié par LPPrince, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[ObserverStatus]

Somewhere in space, Samus Aran is going commando because SOMEONE stole her zero suit.

[mineralica]

Wulfram wrote...

Wrex is the only character who can really pull off the Phoenix armour look.  Of course, he could probably carry off Ashley's new outfit too.

Honestly, the only character who doesn't look hilarious in Phoenix is Tali (girl deserves credit for that). Sadly, in my current playthrough she, as well as majority of crew, wears Colossus. And speaking of unlucky ones, Garrus in Phoenix with helmet toggled on is just hilarious.

[Ghost-621]

LPPrince wrote...

There are other ways to make her more "feminine" if they so choose, and those ways don't have to be corny or stupid.

[who would know]

Ghost-621 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

There are other ways to make her more "feminine" if they so choose, and those ways don't have to be corny or stupid.

Modifié par who would know, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Iakus]

who would know wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

There are other ways to make her more "feminine" if they so choose, and those ways don't have to be corny or stupid.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Stylish and practical are not mutually exclusive

[feliciano2040]

Nashiktal wrote...

Indeed the granny williams comment is a bit telling isn't it?

A little too late to answer this, but I don't hate Ashley, I'm glas she's coming back in my playthrough.

But her look in ME1 never did her any justice, I'm glad she looks pretty now.

[Lozark]

Her outfit just seems like it's reinforcing the notion that sexuality is something that women wear - it has entirely to do with their appearance. Sexy isn't something that Ashley can have or feel or want or do; she has to wear heels and plastic pants (into combat) and have big hips and boobs or she's not sexy. Same message that Samara and Jack and Miranda and Isabella and any number of other female characters send.

That's a completely bogus message.