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[ADLegend21]

jeweledleah wrote...

its highly amusing, watching you guys scramble, trying to find in game justification for purely out of game design decisions.

P.S. I happen to have that very lovely Cerberus combat Armor that Shepard gets as an option. I never use it becasue the helmet is not removable, but I did take a look at it. even in ME2 - we had a chance to look at the actualy combat armor Cerberus is supposed to be wearing. via Shepard. and its actual armor, not that catsuit deal that Jacob and Miranda wear. but I forget - Shepard is so very special that he/she has to wear armor even though its apparently unnecessary.

That's just it is DLC. it's optional.  SHepard gets to wear customizable armor because Shepard to a certian degree is the players character. WE say what Sheaprd does and does not wear because sheaprd is ours. The rest of the are bioware's so they determine the character development and styles. Sof ar outfits match the character growth. LotSB Liara is different form ME1 Liara. Me2 Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Kaidan are different from their ME1 selves, the same goes with Ashley (besides them being lazy with the VS and copying and pasting their intro armors from ME1 for the 5 minutes they got on Horizon.) It's out of game but the changes are done with IN GAME lore in mind. Shepard's armor gets upgraded from the Normandy attack because 2 years passes. Tali gets a new envirosuit because she becomes an adult in her culture, Garrus gets new armor because he elads mercs and then that gets blown up. wrex has different armor because he's now a clan chief, not a Merc. Liara gets her new outfit because she's the Shadow Broker. changes come with Character growth. That's how it's been so far.

[who would know]

ADLegend21 wrote...

who would know wrote...

Re: conversation on in-universe rules. The rules of a fictional universe can excuse these designs all they want, but they never quite eclipse the basic rules of the real world that we bring into the game by default. Arguing for these "sexy" designs by using in-universe rules smacks of naivety and eagerness to excuse ridiculousness.

Really? I don't seem to remember news reports of interspecies couples, interpsecies negotiations, military partner ships, biotics, AI, and glactic extinction being discussed in the real world, but those are definitely big discussion topics in Mass Effect's universe. it's just like the Legion quote I posted earlier, oyu judge a universe by it's own merits not your own.

You've failed to refute what I said, and you're changing my argument into something it never was. Don't you realize what you're attempting to excuse? And no, you don't judge a universe based on its own merits before you judge it based on your own values and views brought from the real world. Especially not on subjects as basic as sexuality and practicality. Mass Effect does strive for some semblance of realism, after all, fast-fading though it may be.

ADLegend21 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is 175 years in the future you can't compare that to now.

Except I can, I should, and I do.

[GodWood]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I love how people try to justify this trash.

The fanservicy outfits are purely so some dudebros get some ****** material.

Well then the dudebros should consider checking out this wonderful thing called pornography. No seriously, a sci-fi game should not have ****** material in it, anymore than ****** material should have a sci-fi story in it.

I'm more willing to compromise with the dude bros. They let me have all squadmates (including women) in full protective armor and they can have their ****** material in a contextually appropriate scene, aka, the romance scene.

Unfortunately Bioware went for the retarded 'sexy armors, fully clothed sex scenes' angle. For some reason...

[Ryzaki]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Please note what was said "during the love scene." That's the time sexualization is not only perfectly reasonable but expected.

I have no issue with Miranda's bra sceen because it's during the romance

I have issue with Miranda's ass being in the middle of my screen when we're having a conversation about trying to save her sister.

Do you see the difference?

Spoken well, human!

What ever happened to people being covered up in non-sexualized clothing in ordinary scenarios, and completely naked in sex scenes? You know, like in ME1? (And in the real world, for that matter!)

I have no idea but I wish it'd come back.

[Sgt Stryker]

Well my hypothesis is that some suit from EA is scared that Fox News will try to run another smear-job story on them. Not sure why, because I'm pretty sure that story resulted in more sales, not less.

As a result, they went with fully-clothed dry humping and sexualized outfits in places where they don't belong, at all.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 10 décembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[jeweledleah]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

its highly amusing, watching you guys scramble, trying to find in game justification for purely out of game design decisions.

P.S. I happen to have that very lovely Cerberus combat Armor that Shepard gets as an option. I never use it becasue the helmet is not removable, but I did take a look at it. even in ME2 - we had a chance to look at the actualy combat armor Cerberus is supposed to be wearing. via Shepard. and its actual armor, not that catsuit deal that Jacob and Miranda wear. but I forget - Shepard is so very special that he/she has to wear armor even though its apparently unnecessary.

That's just it is DLC. it's optional.  SHepard gets to wear customizable armor because Shepard to a certian degree is the players character. WE say what Sheaprd does and does not wear because sheaprd is ours. The rest of the are bioware's so they determine the character development and styles. Sof ar outfits match the character growth. LotSB Liara is different form ME1 Liara. Me2 Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Kaidan are different from their ME1 selves, the same goes with Ashley (besides them being lazy with the VS and copying and pasting their intro armors from ME1 for the 5 minutes they got on Horizon.) It's out of game but the changes are done with IN GAME lore in mind. Shepard's armor gets upgraded from the Normandy attack because 2 years passes. Tali gets a new envirosuit because she becomes an adult in her culture, Garrus gets new armor because he elads mercs and then that gets blown up. wrex has different armor because he's now a clan chief, not a Merc. Liara gets her new outfit because she's the Shadow Broker. changes come with Character growth. That's how it's been so far.

Facepalm.  1. its a free DLC that comes with all new versions of the game.  2 it exists IN official, unmodded game.  ergo - its official, and one could even say - canon.  like Shepard having to wear heavy armor even as adept.  you cannot just say: "oh I've never used it, so it doesn't exist - its acting like a small child who thinks that by closing their eyes they made it dark for everyone".  3 sexualization, blatant one at that =/= character growth. (especialy since Liara's shadow broker armor is actualy more armored then Ashley's)


those changes are NOT done with in game lore in mind.  oh no.

you keep trying to find in game reasons for this... development, but there are none.  the reasons for Ashley's outfit looking the way it does and for Kaidan's outfit looking the way it does?   those reasons are completely out of game. 

"Ashley looks too manish"  "Kaidan looks like he's 115 pounds" 

they even aknowledged the intent in their tweets.

[TheRealJayDee]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

What ever happened to people being covered up in non-sexualized clothing in ordinary scenarios, and completely naked in sex scenes? You know, like in ME1? (And in the real world, for that matter!)

Man, you forgot this is sci fi, it's not the real world. How dare you demand realistic things like that in setting that has giant robots and space magic and such? Also, ever thought about how maybe the ME universe as a whole has naturally matured since the first game?  Seriously, you people just look for any reason to whine and ****... 




Gomenasai, I'm a little silly atm!

[BentOrgy]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

What ever happened to people being covered up in non-sexualized clothing in ordinary scenarios, and completely naked in sex scenes? You know, like in ME1? (And in the real world, for that matter!)

Man, you forgot this is sci fi, it's not the real world. How dare you demand realistic things like that in setting that has giant robots and space magic and such? Also, ever thought about how maybe the ME universe as a whole has naturally matured since the first game?  Seriously, you people just look for any reason to whine and ****... 




Gomenasai, I'm a little silly atm!

A valid argument, if you completely disregard that it makes no sense;

Yes, its sci fi, so what? Does that make it immune to telling a realistic (In the context of the game's lore.) story? No. Does that exempt the characters from behaving and reacting like real life people? No. In fact, I can list over a dozen sci fi, both game and otherwise, that have handled themselves (Their characters and story.) as though they were an actual reality.

Which, incidentally, was one reason why I liked ME1 in the first place; because it was realistic, for a game of its genre. (A space opera with technology that boardered on being magic, very much like Terra E, despite the fact that I love the latter infinitely more than Mass Effect.)

Its characters were solid, lifelike, and reacted as such; like people with actual personalities, pasts, beliefs, etc. Which means, as ADULTS, they reacted as adults in these situations would have. Oh, and let's not forget, that ME's story takes place "Real world." Just a few hundred years in the future.

As I said in an earlier post; its not ****ing to want things to make sense, its not complaining to want continuity, and it sure as hell isn't hating, when the reason most of us are here is because we're simply concerned with a story we're invested in.

And matured? Oh yeah, skimpy catsuits and the world **** thrown in everwhere makes things sooo much more mature. I think ME1 was far more the mature title.

やっぱり、それを思わなかった、君を？ もちろん。

EDIT: Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, this post still stands, but now serves as a general advisory than anything else.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[TheRealJayDee]

BentOrgy wrote...

EDIT: Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, this post still stands, but now serves as a general advisory than anything else.

I totally was, I'm with you 100% on this. Nice post! 

[BentOrgy]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

EDIT: Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, this post still stands, but now serves as a general advisory than anything else.

I totally was, I'm with you 100% on this. Nice post! 

I get lucky.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

who would know wrote...

Re: conversation on in-universe rules. The rules of a fictional universe can excuse these designs all they want, but they never quite eclipse the basic rules of the real world that we bring into the game by default. Arguing for these "sexy" designs by using in-universe rules smacks of naivety and eagerness to excuse ridiculousness.

Dude... you're my hero.

[CptData]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Well my hypothesis is that some suit from EA is scared that Fox News will try to run another smear-job story on them. Not sure why, because I'm pretty sure that story resulted in more sales, not less.

As a result, they went with fully-clothed dry humping and sexualized outfits in places where they don't belong, at all.

God no.
I don't wanna see pornographic stuff in ME3, but I also don't wanna see a "dry hump".

Sex scenes of ME1 were fine. Some of the scenes in ME2 were decent too ...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

its highly amusing, watching you guys scramble, trying to find in game justification for purely out of game design decisions.

P.S. I happen to have that very lovely Cerberus combat Armor that Shepard gets as an option. I never use it becasue the helmet is not removable, but I did take a look at it. even in ME2 - we had a chance to look at the actualy combat armor Cerberus is supposed to be wearing. via Shepard. and its actual armor, not that catsuit deal that Jacob and Miranda wear. but I forget - Shepard is so very special that he/she has to wear armor even though its apparently unnecessary.

That's just it is DLC. it's optional.  SHepard gets to wear customizable armor because Shepard to a certian degree is the players character. WE say what Sheaprd does and does not wear because sheaprd is ours. The rest of the are bioware's so they determine the character development and styles. Sof ar outfits match the character growth. LotSB Liara is different form ME1 Liara. Me2 Wrex, Garrus, Tali, and Kaidan are different from their ME1 selves, the same goes with Ashley (besides them being lazy with the VS and copying and pasting their intro armors from ME1 for the 5 minutes they got on Horizon.) It's out of game but the changes are done with IN GAME lore in mind. Shepard's armor gets upgraded from the Normandy attack because 2 years passes. Tali gets a new envirosuit because she becomes an adult in her culture, Garrus gets new armor because he elads mercs and then that gets blown up. wrex has different armor because he's now a clan chief, not a Merc. Liara gets her new outfit because she's the Shadow Broker. changes come with Character growth. That's how it's been so far.

Does either Wrex or Garrus' armor look like they are going to go grinding at the club? Do their armors have heels or look unprofessional? NO. 

They look perfectly suited to combat. 

Idk why you even brought that up as you keep saying Ash's outfit isn't armor. So what the hell?


And character growth is Ashley going from a gunnery chief to a spectre. Not changing from armor to spandex. 

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Frankly to be perfectly honest I think the outfit is just plain ugly and the color looks bad with her skin. If she's really supposed to be addressing anyone important in that she really should've looked in the mirror.

Trade those ugly white pants with some black or dark blue and make that blue jacket either black or just darker and it would go a long way towards looking less hideous. Her AA of that looks far more pleasing to the eye.

Let's not forget the people on the bottom are a group of professionals addressing other professionals. They should not look completely casual. They are not. Anderson is clearly wearing a decent looking uniform as is the female officer.

::fistbump::

[Tup3x]

ADLegend21 wrote...

also a casual to casual comparison:

Shep and Chakwas included


Her standing next to a female Admiral who's in an Alliance uniform while she's in a Spectre uniform. The other Spectre in the room is in a dark T-Shirt and pants because he's been on house arrest.

(also her outfit does have alliance and Spectre colors I forget who said it wasn't the same color so here's your proof)

Note the shoulders on her then and now. the new outfit has padding similar to Mordin's outfit and salrian armor (gasp alien influence on her outfit) Her fashion tastes have changed for off duty wear from when she was A 26 year odl soldier who hadn't been on a space rotation passed basic to the 29 year old that's seen alot and probably has had a few postings in space and seen alot more combat than she had on a sleepy farming colony.

I sure hope that's just casual outfit and not combat outfit. I don't like how it looks. I'd give proper armour for all squad mates if I could make that decision.

[BentOrgy]

Something that struck me when I saw this snapshot; Since when did Spectres have uniforms? Not one that we've seen had anything that looked like one; Nihlus, Saren, Vasir, and of course, Shepard.

You'd think, if there was one, that Shepard would have been given one after his/her initiation.

[Complistic]

I really can't believe people are still complaining about this even after we learned that you can swap out her jacket for actual armor if you so desire.

Oh wait, this is the bioware official forum. What else was I expecting?

[bagelbite_2012]

simple, cause the feminists from the future got mad at the fact that Project Lazarus was preformed on a male and eventually forced the council to make their own Project Lazarus for stuck up females and thus the new Ashley was created

[BentOrgy]

Complistic wrote...

I really can't believe people are still complaining about this even after we learned that you can swap out her jacket for actual armor if you so desire.

Oh wait, this is the bioware official forum. What else was I expecting?

If you'd actually care to read, you'd realize how few there are that are just "Complaining." And how many more are actively voicing concerns, critiques, and opinions. All things which are a part of this business.

But I suppose that requires more effort than simply bashing people.

[Sylvianus]

Complistic wrote...

I really can't believe people are still complaining about this even after we learned that you can swap out her jacket for actual armor if you so desire.

Oh wait, this is the bioware official forum. What else was I expecting?

Do not care, my friend. Have you not noticed that it is always the same people who endlessly repeat the same thing, proud of themselves with their old arguments rehashed? A real small club of grandmothers frightened in a laundry who complain for the sake of complaining.

I do not know why some continue to argue with them. Just leave it and let them have fun.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 décembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[mineralica]

Tup3xi wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

also a casual to casual comparison:
/snip
Shep and Chakwas included
/snip
Her standing next to a female Admiral who's in an Alliance uniform while she's in a Spectre uniform. The other Spectre in the room is in a dark T-Shirt and pants because he's been on house arrest.

(also her outfit does have alliance and Spectre colors I forget who said it wasn't the same color so here's your proof)

Note the shoulders on her then and now. the new outfit has padding similar to Mordin's outfit and salrian armor (gasp alien influence on her outfit) Her fashion tastes have changed for off duty wear from when she was A 26 year odl soldier who hadn't been on a space rotation passed basic to the 29 year old that's seen alot and probably has had a few postings in space and seen alot more combat than she had on a sleepy farming colony.

I sure hope that's just casual outfit and not combat outfit. I don't like how it looks. I'd give proper armour for all squad mates if I could make that decision.

Aside from my dislike to jacket worn on leggings (form-fitting trousers?), colour looks off. I'd make this thing at least dark green - similar to Mantis armor from ME1.

Female officer near Ashley looks wrong too - as if male Alliance uniform was sloppily scaled to fit female. Jacket is the screaming example.

[who would know]

Sylvianus wrote...

Do not care, my friend. Have you not noticed that it is always the same people who endlessly repeat the same thing, proud of themselves with their old arguments rehashed? A real small club of grandmothers frightened in a laundry who complain for the sake of complaining.

I do not know why some continue to argue with them. Just leave it and let them have fun.

I just facepalmed in real life. First, not using contractions doesn't make you sound any smarter, and second, yes, if you have nothing to contribute but superficial attempts to minimize the legitimate concerns of Ashley fans, I would recommend you leave us to our "fun". Your inflammatory and dismissive attitude adds exactly nothing to this discussion.

[Sgt Stryker]

CptData wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Well my hypothesis is that some suit from EA is scared that Fox News will try to run another smear-job story on them. Not sure why, because I'm pretty sure that story resulted in more sales, not less.

As a result, they went with fully-clothed dry humping and sexualized outfits in places where they don't belong, at all.

God no.
I don't wanna see pornographic stuff in ME3, but I also don't wanna see a "dry hump".

Sex scenes of ME1 were fine. Some of the scenes in ME2 were decent too ...

I never said I wanted porn in ME3. On the contrary, that's one of the last things I want. However, it is possible to show a sex scene with it being neither pornographic nor silly. ME1 accomplished exactly that.

[Ryzaki]

BentOrgy wrote...

Something that struck me when I saw this snapshot; Since when did Spectres have uniforms? Not one that we've seen had anything that looked like one; Nihlus, Saren, Vasir, and of course, Shepard.

You'd think, if there was one, that Shepard would have been given one after his/her initiation.

They don't. I'm pretty sure they just wear armor or whatever to meetings (Saren and Shep did at least) they are Spectres after all. Maybe some put the insignia on it but it's clearly optional. They're supposed to be self sufficent. I assume that includes clothing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 07:47 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Sylvianus wrote...

Complistic wrote...

I really can't believe people are still complaining about this even after we learned that you can swap out her jacket for actual armor if you so desire.

Oh wait, this is the bioware official forum. What else was I expecting?

Do not care, my friend. Have you not noticed that it is always the same people who endlessly repeat the same thing, proud of themselves with their old arguments rehashed? A real small club of grandmothers frightened in a laundry who complain for the sake of complaining.

I do not know why some continue to argue with them. Just leave it and let them have fun.

omg hella rude tbh