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[CptData]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

CptData wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Well my hypothesis is that some suit from EA is scared that Fox News will try to run another smear-job story on them. Not sure why, because I'm pretty sure that story resulted in more sales, not less.

As a result, they went with fully-clothed dry humping and sexualized outfits in places where they don't belong, at all.

God no.
I don't wanna see pornographic stuff in ME3, but I also don't wanna see a "dry hump".

Sex scenes of ME1 were fine. Some of the scenes in ME2 were decent too ...

I never said I wanted porn in ME3. On the contrary, that's one of the last things I want. However, it is possible to show a sex scene with it being neither pornographic nor silly. ME1 accomplished exactly that.

I just stated I want ME1 sex scenes in ME3. Some bare skin, different camera angles and focused on emotions, not just the act.

So we're both hitting the same nail. All we want is a decent scene with emotions, no "dry humping" with clothes please. Every normal couple does it without twenty layers of clothes. At least not when Shepard and his/her lover have enough time for romantic sex - they don't do quickies I guess. The elevator is too fast for that ^^

[BentOrgy]

Ryzaki wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Something that struck me when I saw this snapshot; Since when did Spectres have uniforms? Not one that we've seen had anything that looked like one; Nihlus, Saren, Vasir, and of course, Shepard.

You'd think, if there was one, that Shepard would have been given one after his/her initiation.

They don't. I'm pretty sure they just wear armor or whatever to meetings (Saren and Shep did at least) they are Spectres after all. Maybe some put the insignia on it but it's clearly optional. They're supposed to be self sufficent. I assume that includes clothing.

Right, that was my point; a lot of people call the "jacket outfit," a uniform, when it clearly isn't; because its neither Alliance regulation, nor a "Spectre Uniform." (Because no such thing exists.)

Which leaves us with; its Ash's personal outfit.

Which then leads us to; Ash personality conflict.

Which leads us to here, this thread.

[Ryzaki]

Now that you put it that way the outfit does look even more ridiculous. There's not really a good reason for her not to be wearing something combat ready. Maybe not full armor but something that can take a few hits and is easy to move around in wouldn't be amiss.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 08:34 .

[ADLegend21]

Other than Shepard we've never seen A Spectre not in combat Armor. saren was always in Armor, Nihlus was always in armor, Vasir was always in Armor. That leaves the PC which is customizable based on who's playing the game. This is the first Spectre casual outfit see in the game on anyone not named Shepard. It has Spectre blue (see vasir's armor) and Alliance blue (everyone else in that scene) Showing Ashley's connections to the Citadel and her loyalty to the Alliance. That's her personality Alliance Commander and Spectre.

[CptData]

Ryzaki wrote...

Now that you put it that way the outfit
does look even more ridiculous. There's not really a good reason for her
not to be wearing something combat ready. Maybe not full armor but
something that can take a few hits and is easy to move around in
wouldn't be amiss.

Ashley's "armor" comes with those
fancy things on her shoulders. I don't think they'll be protective as
armor, but they could be some kind of barrier generators, so Ashley's
outfit generates at least a kinetic barrier.

Whatever. I must concur AD's statement:

ADLegend21 wrote...

Other than Shepard we've never seen A Spectre not in combat Armor. saren was always in Armor, Nihlus was always in armor, Vasir was always in Armor. That leaves the PC which is customizable based on who's playing the game. This is the first Spectre casual outfit see in the game on anyone not named Shepard. It has Spectre blue (see vasir's armor) and Alliance blue (everyone else in that scene) Showing Ashley's connections to the Citadel and her loyalty to the Alliance. That's her personality Alliance Commander and Spectre.

Indeed.

In ME1 Shepard used his non-combat duty dress as soon as s/he was not in the field. I call this dress "Alliance Navy on board duty uniform".

In ME2 we could pick from multiple choices for Shepard: a Cerberus uniform, a Cerberus dress, that millionaire dress and that freelancer attire. None of them can be considered as "official Spectre uniform" since the player can decide if Shepard returns to the ranks of the Spectres or not.

So right now we can't say if there's an official Spectre dress or not. Most likely not. But that doesn't mean Ashley's uniform got choosen by her: she could use a modified variant of an Alliance dress or got it issued by the Council.

[BentOrgy]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Other than Shepard we've never seen A Spectre not in combat Armor. saren was always in Armor, Nihlus was always in armor, Vasir was always in Armor. That leaves the PC which is customizable based on who's playing the game. This is the first Spectre casual outfit see in the game on anyone not named Shepard. It has Spectre blue (see vasir's armor) and Alliance blue (everyone else in that scene) Showing Ashley's connections to the Citadel and her loyalty to the Alliance. That's her personality Alliance Commander and Spectre.

While its true that both Nihlus and Vasir were met in cases where wearing armor was a must, Saren, when he was brought before the council, and before then, in the Revelations novel is never mentioned wearing anything other than his armor, in other words, both on and off duty, not once is he required to, or implied to have ever, worn a uniform.

Mordin also makes a crack in ME2 about Spectres having to purchase their own weapons and armor; uniforms are generally supplied by the orginization they represent, and not once, yet again, has anyone anywhere mentioned a uniform. Ever. Its more likely that, due to how Spectres are chosen and equipped, they supply everything they own, with the council worrying less about what the wear, and more on what they accomplish.

So all this talk of a "Uniform," or a "Spectre related outfit" is purely speculation and fan-based. And to me, highly unlikely.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:06 .

[Wulfram]

Ryzaki wrote...

Now that you put it that way the outfit does look even more ridiculous. There's not really a good reason for her not to be wearing something combat ready. Maybe not full armor but something that can take a few hits and is easy to move around in wouldn't be amiss.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be combat ready.

To me it's fairly clearly based on some of the ME1 Medium armours, though sexed up a bit.  It's got the mini skirt thing which actually makes it less form fitting, and the medium armour had another layer so the unzipped part didn't expose any flesh, but for example the shoulders are obviously armoured and look very similar.

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Ryzaki]

CptData wrote...
Ashley's "armor" comes with those
fancy things on her shoulders. I don't think they'll be protective as
armor, but they could be some kind of barrier generators, so Ashley's
outfit generates at least a kinetic barrier.

They could be.

But the whole "it's a uniform." arguement is null. It's not. It's supposed to be an outfit that Ash thinks is good enough to address important people in. I think it utterly fails if that's its purpose.

@Wulfram: To be honest if she zipped that up and darkened the jacket and pants I wouldn't care. It just plain looks bad from where I'm standing. Her AA outfit if it is vastly preferable. I have no issue with armor being sexy, I have issue with it looking ridculous.

That said it does not look much like this

If what she was wearing was a form fitting and flattering (which it kind of already is) version of that I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[CptData]

Ryzaki wrote...

CptData wrote...
Ashley's "armor" comes with those
fancy things on her shoulders. I don't think they'll be protective as
armor, but they could be some kind of barrier generators, so Ashley's
outfit generates at least a kinetic barrier.

They could be.

But the whole "it's a uniform." arguement is null. It's not. It's supposed to be an outfit that Ash thinks is good enough to address important people in. I think it utterly fails if that's its purpose.

The funny thing is: it only "fails" in my eyes because of those white pants. Sorry, no woman would pick something like that, at least not with "thigh high heels" and a jacket. Those "panties" need to be dark blue or black or so - but not that visible.

Besides that, the "uniform" is okay. However, I prefer a different version - either one of the other concept arts minus "boob window" or alternating versions of her current uniform. Think there was a dark-red variant as well, which I am going to pick.

In short: the panties needs to be darker. Once they're gone, that "uniform" looks better.


BTW, just for the record:

Ash does not wear a "mini skirt" in ME3. It may look like one, but it isn't. The "skirt" is part of her jacket, which appears to be a tad longer than normal. The sky high ... err ... thigh high boots are okay imo, they seem to give at least minimum protection. I just mind those white pants. They look odd and need to get a far darker color. I would not say "remove" them because BW will then remove 'em and we're going to see Ash's thighs.

Modifié par CptData, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[BentOrgy]

Wulfram wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Now that you put it that way the outfit does look even more ridiculous. There's not really a good reason for her not to be wearing something combat ready. Maybe not full armor but something that can take a few hits and is easy to move around in wouldn't be amiss.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be combat ready.

To me it's fairly clearly based on some of the ME1 Medium armours, though sexed up a bit.  It's got the mini skirt thing which actually makes it less form fitting, and the medium armour had another layer so the unzipped part didn't expose any flesh, but for example the shoulders are obviously armoured and look very similar.

I'm sorry, but please take another look at ME1's armor sets; medium looks nothing close to her outfit in ME3. In fact, it looks even less substantial than the light armor sets. And the fact that you can even say "Mini skirt thing," makes it even less armor-like, not to mention the heels, which lead into thigh-highs, and the fact that the material looks like its made from leather or vinyl more than anything else.

As for the things on her shoulders, to me anyway, look fairly decorative, and serve no purpose.

EDIT:

Damn, zaki beat me with the picture.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[Ryzaki]

CptData wrote...
The funny thing is: it only "fails" in my eyes because of those white pants. Sorry, no woman would pick something like that, at least not with "thigh high heels" and a jacket. Those "panties" need to be dark blue or black or so - but not that visible.

Besides that, the "uniform" is okay. However, I prefer a different version - either one of the other concept arts minus "boob window" or alternating versions of her current uniform. Think there was a dark-red variant as well, which I am going to pick.

In short: the panties needs to be darker. Once they're gone, that "uniform" looks better.

We agree on something at least! 

Edit: @BentOrgy : 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:17 .

[Wulfram]

I'm not saying it looks like good armour - they've sexed it up, and it loses credibility because of it. To be honest I'd rather it was unambiguously not a combat outfit than a half and half.

But compare this with the same area of Ashley's outfit - the shoulders, and the unzipped part

the inspiration is clear

Modifié par Wulfram, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Ryzaki]

True it does look similar.

Seriously though the reason I'm bagging on the outfit is because of the pants and that ridiculous ass shot (unintentional and at least not as headdesk worthy as Miranda's) because of said white pants. If she was wearing black/dark blue pants it wouldn't have looked nearly as ridiculous. So yes if BW changes the pants color (and preferably the top because I don't think that color flatters her at all). I'll be happy.

And before anyone starts going "everyone had ass shots with the armor in ME1." yeah EVERYONE did. I got as many images of Kaidan's rear end as I did Ash's. (and more of Shep's than both of them). It wasn't relegated to just the females.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[CptData]

Ryzaki wrote...

True it does look similar.

Seriously though the reason I'm bagging on the outfit is because of the pants and that ridiculous ass shot (unintentional and at least not as headdesk worthy as Miranda's) because of said white pants. If she was wearing black/dark blue pants it wouldn't have looked nearly as ridiculous. So yes if BW changes the pants color (and preferably the top because I don't think that color flatters her at all). I'll be happy.

And before anyone starts going "everyone had ass shots with the armor in ME1." yeah EVERYONE did. I got as many images of Kaidan's rear end as I did Ash's. (and more of Shep's than both of them). It wasn't relegated to just the females.

The funny part is, that you wouldn't care about Ashley's ass with darker "panties". I did some (crappy editing), but here you go - compare original vs edited variant:

Original
http://desmond.image....jpg&res=medium

Edited


Works for me good enough.

Modifié par CptData, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Wulfram]

Ryzaki wrote...

And before anyone starts going "everyone had ass shots with the armor in ME1." yeah EVERYONE did. I got as many images of Kaidan's rear end as I did Ash's. (and more of Shep's than both of them). It wasn't relegated to just the females.

Well, we haven't had the opportunity to count Kaidan's ass shots, have we?

[Ryzaki]

Wulfram wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And before anyone starts going "everyone had ass shots with the armor in ME1." yeah EVERYONE did. I got as many images of Kaidan's rear end as I did Ash's. (and more of Shep's than both of them). It wasn't relegated to just the females.

Well, we haven't had the opportunity to count Kaidan's ass shots, have we?

I certainly did.

@CptData : Exactly. It wouldn't even be an issue.

I don't know why BW thought white pants were a good look.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Harmless Citizen]

I don't know why BW thought white pants were a good look.

Probably the same reason they've got those atrocious buttplates on all the armour.

[Iakus]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm not saying it looks like good armour - they've sexed it up, and it loses credibility because of it. To be honest I'd rather it was unambiguously not a combat outfit than a half and half.

But compare this with the same area of Ashley's outfit - the shoulders, and the unzipped part

the inspiration is clear

I always wondered why the "unzipped" look was on female armor but not male.

But at least there was the undershirt/second layer helmet sealing thingee so it still looked protective.

Ash's outfit has no such attachment.

[Iakus]

Ryzaki wrote...

But the whole "it's a uniform." arguement is null. It's not. It's supposed to be an outfit that Ash thinks is good enough to address important people in. I think it utterly fails if that's its purpose.

This is the most important detail, imo.

@Wulfram: To be honest if she zipped that up and darkened the jacket and pants I wouldn't care. It just plain looks bad from where I'm standing. Her AA outfit if it is vastly preferable. I have no issue with armor being sexy, I have issue with it looking ridculous.

I'd rather have the black concept art one.  Minus boob window.  Black, sleek, plain, yet elegant.  That's the outfit of a Specte.   Someone who's beyond the need for gaudy uniforms and bright colors.  They are outside standard authority and have no need for such trappings.  They just get the job done.  that's a Spectre

[TheRealJayDee]

I'll just leave this here as a general comment on certain things.

[Ziggy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Please note what was said "during the love scene." That's the time sexualization is not only perfectly reasonable but expected.

I have no issue with Miranda's bra sceen because it's during the romance

I have issue with Miranda's ass being in the middle of my screen when we're having a conversation about trying to save her sister.

Do you see the difference?

Spoken well, human!

What ever happened to people being covered up in non-sexualized clothing in ordinary scenarios, and completely naked in sex scenes? You know, like in ME1? (And in the real world, for that matter!)

I have no idea but I wish it'd come back.

This sooo much! Non-sexualised normal clothes and naked sex scenes pls.

[Ziggy]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I'll just leave this here as a general comment on certain things.

 here's another one 

[Harmless Citizen]

Oh my god. I hadn't seen StP in ages.

[Ryzaki]

Random Nobody wrote...

I don't know why BW thought white pants were a good look.

Probably the same reason they've got those atrocious buttplates on all the armour.

You could at least justify the butt plates with "well if they fell they might need some padding there."

Edit: @those links:

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2011 - 02:05 .