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[CptData]

xsebx wrote...

Just needs to allow the player the option of what squadmates wear. That way, everyone's happy. BTW, that above doctored Cerberus outfit on Ash looks BAD ASS >:0

Mind to share it?

[Ryzaki]

It's on the same page. Just look up.

Frankly I think it looks great. Take away the gun and she'd look fine enough to go to a meeting and still say with her outfit "If you screw with me you're going down." Which...frankly all Spectres should say with their clothing.

[CptData]

Ah THIS outfit.
Yes, I love that too. It still has elements of the original "uniform" (those shoulder thingies) ..

[Iakus]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

While, true that it looks much better in the darker version... the ridiculousness of that attire still exists. They need to A. Give her something else entirely

or

B. Cut the Jacket off at her waist to get rid of the mini-skirt look. Change from thigh high wedges to combat boots that cut off at a normal length. Give her some more armored or padded or w/e pants to look less spandex-y. And for the love of god put some more armor on the jacket... two littl shoulder plates with holes in the middle of them will hardly protect against anything. 

You want to see what a female spectre should be wearing... look no further than Vasir. That's practical, protective, and would like mature/professional/PRESENTABLE in front of admirals/brass/council/etc.

This

PLEASE NO!

That's exactly what they want. People to just shut up and give them money. If no one complained... there would be no changes, no tweaks, and a worse game for it. 

Besides, sometimes people on these forums have good ideas... and they should be seen. 

And that.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

OH and did I mention that if we "don't give a ****" until the game comes out...

well, it's too late then, isn't it? There's no point in caring afterwards, at all.

[ADLegend21]

Nashiktal wrote...

You know despite the fact that the gears trilogy isn't exactly bioware quality writing I have to admit their depiction of women is more progressive than most.

They wear more realistic armor, yet handle the big guns while not relegated to "background tasks", and despite the "still clean as a model at her shoot" look I was pleasantly surprised. Not perfect but damn it if its not a step in the right direction.

Just seeing women on the line, even as background mooks who die (which background mooks do in ridiculous frequency) really helps to drive home the "end of the world" feel.

I have a very stron beef with this post. Mass Effec thandles women extremely better than Gears because:

1.) Mass Effect has a female protagonist. Femshep is a great leader, an outstanding soldier, and saves the galaxy twice.  All the while he's saving lives, punching out Krogan, Yagh, Batarians, and any one else dumb enough to cross her. No one second guesses her authority because she's female either.

2.) Outside of Femshep the women in Mass Effect are amazing. on the SM alone 5/8 of the correct people to choose are female. Aria T'loak runs Omega and has incredible influence in the terminus, Liara T'soni is the Shadow Broker, and the asari have the most feared combat infantry force in the entire Galaxy. Wrex, in all his badassness and awesome leadership, can't do a thing without his female clan chief's approval, he says so himself and in the demo of the surkesh Mission the Krogan female puts him in his place! Also in terms of the lady this topic is about, if you can't talk down Wrex or don't feel like doing it yourself, Ashley is the one that has your back and put's him down. She doesn't take crap from anyone and she has her own set of beleifs that not even Shepard with all her influencial charisma can change which is why she doesn't come along because she doesn't trust Cerberus. Also according to the Salarian section of the codez, their female's run their species governments even though they appointed a male to the council.

The women in Mass Effect are way better than the women in Gears and Mass Effect is way more progressive than most with just femshep alone.

[Nashiktal]

Well AD you and me have no beef there because I was not talking about Mass Effect at all. Probably should have clarified but I assumed people would count bioware in their head among the socially progressive ones, considering we are on their board and all. (Which is part of the damn reason so many of us are shocked at the design choices around ashley and a few other women in the first place)

Although I have to say I disagree with many of their general style choices they have been making since ME2.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 11 décembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[jeweledleah]

if femshep was completely separate character - that argument would actually fly. but femshep are quite literally just female actors reading male shepard lines about 90% of the time. other then occasional sentence here and there and well - voice actors, the only difference currently is romances. femhawke has it even worse. she doesn't even get female outfits to wear to a party or lounging at home - they are just scaled down versions of male ones (which in Mark of the assassin in particular goes into a territory of the ridiculous).

femshep is just maleshep in drag essentially.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Nashiktal wrote...

Well AD you and me have no beef there because I was not talking about Mass Effect at all. Probably should have clarified but I assumed people would count bioware in their head among the socially progressive ones, considering we are on their board and all. (Which is part of the damn reason so many of us are shocked at the design choices around ashley and a few other women in the first place)

Although I have to say I disagree with many of their general style choices they have been making since ME2.

To me, they are going in the entirely wrong direction with their style choices...

Look at ME1... and then look at ME2. A world of difference. Females with light, medium, and heavy armor... those having helmets, being sealed, and NO HEELS. Then in ME2... skin tight suits with ass shots, heels, boob windows, boob straps, face masks instead of helmets... etc. 

yeah... that's progressive alright... *eye roll*

Whereas with Gears, Anya started out being a female in the background just relaying orders over the com. Now she's all armored up and on the front lines herself. 

[ADLegend21]

jeweledleah wrote...

if femshep was completely separate character - that argument would actually fly. but femshep are quite literally just female actors reading male shepard lines about 90% of the time. other then occasional sentence here and there and well - voice actors, the only difference currently is romances. femhawke has it even worse. she doesn't even get female outfits to wear to a party or lounging at home - they are just scaled down versions of male ones (which in Mark of the assassin in particular goes into a territory of the ridiculous).

femshep is just maleshep in drag essentially.

I hope you don't honestly believe that. Bioware goees for Gender neutral dialogue beisdes pronouns with the exception of two lines, the princess one and the merc recruiter on Omega. Shepard and hawke are the same people you choose the gender and they both do the exact same magnificent and heroic things. They're equal.

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well AD you and me have no beef there because I was not talking about Mass Effect at all. Probably should have clarified but I assumed people would count bioware in their head among the socially progressive ones, considering we are on their board and all. (Which is part of the damn reason so many of us are shocked at the design choices around ashley and a few other women in the first place)

Although I have to say I disagree with many of their general style choices they have been making since ME2.

To me, they are going in the entirely wrong direction with their style choices...

Look at ME1... and then look at ME2. A world of difference. Females with light, medium, and heavy armor... those having helmets, being sealed, and NO HEELS. Then in ME2... skin tight suits with ass shots, heels, boob windows, boob straps, face masks instead of helmets... etc. 

yeah... that's progressive alright... *eye roll*

Whereas with Gears, Anya started out being a female in the background just relaying orders over the com. Now she's all armored up and on the front lines herself. 

yes because a character driven story denies character traits. Jack is a foul mouthed convict that doesn't give a **** about you or anyone elses opinion of her she's hardcore and a badass biotic that can crush you like a bug. Miranda uses everything to her advantage including her looks so, like EVERYTHING in both mass effects her outfit shows off her body. That doens't stop her from being the most lethal woman not named Shepard in the galaxy. she two can get a headshot from 100 meters and she has equally talented tech and biotic skills and she's a leader. Whoe gives a crap what she wears when she's killing a merc on a mission, they obviously couldn't stop her in their heavy armor that's retextured from the frist game, she seems to have an advantage wering asari ish clothing. same with samara. her outfit didn't hinder her in the 400 years she's been a justicar, she's still tossing people around and dragging cars out of the air. what matters in a character is their personality and skill, not their attire. Hell even Shepard kills some mercs on Kasumi's mission in a Tuxedo or party dress and they're in armor! sounds to me like armor isn't as good a protection as everyone thinks.

[Sgt Stryker]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Hell even Shepard kills some mercs on Kasumi's mission in a Tuxedo or party dress and they're in armor! sounds to me like armor isn't as good a protection as everyone thinks.

So why must Shepard still wear armor on all other missions? Why can't I roleplay James Bond in space, if armor is so "useless", as you claim? There is no reasonable way to handwave that simple fact away.

[Ottemis]

I'd be miffed about skimpy outfits if it didn't fit the characters. I think the remarks on Ash's changed looks are highly exaggerated and based on the little we've seen of ME3; how can you possibly make an accurate assessment?

Aside from that, women in ME2 were mostly mercenaries and criminals. Ifnot that then still biotics or tech-specialists.

All of them depend on NOT getting hit and have abilities to support that.
It'd be like sticking a mage in plate armor. Or a rogue for that matter, try pulling off ninja-moves in 40 kilo's of chainmail.
Let them exploit their personality and femininity in their clothing, which will then logically reveal more then a soldier's would, these are assets they use and that define them. It doesn't diminish who they are, and honestly nitpicking makes you sound more narrow-minded then you think.

As to femshep or manshep and not being able to pick something skimpy for them, while the companions do have that option. You customise your character (or not) to your liking, their armor and the options you've got for it outside of modding is a big part of that. Both femshep and maleshep come across as hardened soldiers.
The companion armor is linked to their global image and part of their defining look. Hence it being what it is.
Don't see why you'd get miffed about something you can change through armor-mods anyways.

Modifié par Ottemis, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:46 .

[Ryzaki]

And yet biotic Shep (and Kaidan) can apparently run around in heavy armor.

And no one is flipping around save Kasumi (who actually makes sense in her clothing because she has *cloak*. Jack's outfit also fits because her biotic abilities are extremely strong and she relies on them...plus it's her personality. 

Samara...meh she kind of works. I just don't see it that well.

Miranda? Not at all. Her AAP armor is the only one that makes sense to me. She's too pragmatic not to see the benefit in extra protection and I don't see her trying to dress as a femme fatal when she's fighting husks who couldn't give a **** what she has on.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:47 .

[Ottemis]

It was an example, you seem to have missed the point.

[Ryzaki]

Ottemis wrote...

It was an example, you seem to have missed the point.

Edited to make my point clearer.

Ash's personality doesn't really go well with that outfit based of her ME1 personality. She put practicality above style. Isabela on the other hand makes perfect sense. (does help that Isabela is fighting mostly somewhat sane human opponents save the occasional abomination or demon) where's with Ash even the humans she's fighting are most likely gonna be brainwashed to the extent that they won't give a damn if she was naked. They just want her dead.

FYI: everyone doesn't have access to mods. Nor does everyone want to have to *pay* to get their squaddies in armor.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:52 .

[jeweledleah]

ADLegend21 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

if femshep was completely separate character - that argument would actually fly. but femshep are quite literally just female actors reading male shepard lines about 90% of the time. other then occasional sentence here and there and well - voice actors, the only difference currently is romances. femhawke has it even worse. she doesn't even get female outfits to wear to a party or lounging at home - they are just scaled down versions of male ones (which in Mark of the assassin in particular goes into a territory of the ridiculous).

femshep is just maleshep in drag essentially.

I hope you don't honestly believe that. Bioware goees for Gender neutral dialogue beisdes pronouns with the exception of two lines, the princess one and the merc recruiter on Omega. Shepard and hawke are the same people you choose the gender and they both do the exact same magnificent and heroic things. They're equal.

kinda the point.  you cannot claim that femshep is this fantastic example of bioware's treatment of a female character when she's essentialy genderless, or a gender swap of the same character.  femshep is NOT a standalone character.

Ashley was a stand alone character that was incredibly refreshing in ME1.

adited to add.

DAO.  arcane warrior.

honestly - if I were a mage, you bet I'd wear the most protective armor that I could find and still cast spells.

and honestly - look at the way Ashleys' outfit is designed.  that lighter blue on the back is deliberately tailored to accentuate the narrowness of the waste - its an insert pannel of the sort that fashion designers use to give their clients more of an hourglass shape, to make them look sexier.  and the bottom of tht pannel ends in an arrow - RIGHT at the crease of the buttocks.  not very subtle.  front of the outfit is no better in that regard.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:55 .

[Ottemis]

We don't know whether Ash's armor is going to be her main and/or only combat armor, so the discussion at this point is pretty much void i think. Aside from speculation, not much use fearing something true and pre-emptively moaning about it?

[Ryzaki]

Ottemis wrote...

We don't know whether Ash's armor is going to be her main and/or only combat armor, so the discussion at this point is pretty much void i think. Aside from speculation, not much use fearing something true and pre-emptively moaning about it?

Someone already said why. Better to complain now to be safe than not to complain at all and it be too late. Plus BW actually listens to complaining. If it bothers you leave the thread. No one's forcing you to read.

I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be her only armor *now* but before it was the blue and the red recolor was the AAP armor. I wasn't willing to bet on a third outfit being available.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:56 .

[LPPrince]

You know, maybe I'm alone here but I hate those shoulder things.

They look like they expose her, a weakness in the armor, and like they're targets.

Weird. I can't shake it.

[jeweledleah]

At this point changes to Ash are probably not happening anymore. unless I'm being too pessimistic. but for the future reference, for future games, maybe bioware will reconsider sexualizing characters that don't need sexualizing? which is kinda the reason why I'm still here.

[Ottemis]

Well Miri got the appearance mod for a reason, and i do agree on her front that she coulda used some more plating, still. She's got the biotics for a reason.

Point being, Lessons learned in feedback from ME2 should logically carry over into ME3.
Armor being a mayor part of that as there's also been a lot of feedback on the companion armor no longer being looted like in ME1 and opinions being split about that being a good or a bad thing.

On my end, I don't really care. I can see the merit in both, and I do think the personalized characteristic armor works well for the squaddies in ME2.

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

At this point changes to Ash are probably not happening anymore. unless I'm being too pessimistic. but for the future reference, for future games, maybe bioware will reconsider sexualizing characters that don't need sexualizing? which is kinda the reason why I'm still here.

I'm pretty sure she's getting armor. I'm just inclined to feel it's not finalized. The "OMG where's her armor?!?" was probably early enough for BW to throw one together.

Biotics do not do even half of what armor can do. When squaddies are running around hazardous enviornments biotic bubbles don't do SQUAT. It doesn't stop poison from sticking to their skin, it doesn't protect them from radiation (unless biotics got an upgrade from ME1 which I doubt), it doesn't do a lot of the things that armor is capable of.

so yes I have an issue with people not wearing actual armor when my adept Shep by comparison is fully suited up.

And if you don't care why not just ignore the thread?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 décembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[ADLegend21]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

It was an example, you seem to have missed the point.

Edited to make my point clearer.

Ash's personality doesn't really go well with that outfit based of her ME1 personality. She put practicality above style.

She's steathy now, she needs lighter clothing and armor now since Vega is the damage sponge and she's the sniper of the group now.

[Ryzaki]

ADLegend21 wrote...
She's steathy now, she needs lighter clothing and armor now since Vega is the damage sponge and she's the sniper of the group now.

Since when was she stealthy?

And sniper of the group? Uh no. That's Garrus' title. Always has been always will be.