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[The Hierophant]

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

[Nashiktal]

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

Which is the military arm of the council, which ashley would work for.

Again, not the best political message to send.

[Ahglock]

The main thing I think is silly about the specter thing is that they wear the specter symbol on their outfits. It is worse than the cerberus logo all over the place.

[Nashiktal]

Ahglock wrote...

The main thing I think is silly about the specter thing is that they wear the specter symbol on their outfits. It is worse than the cerberus logo all over the place.

There is a difference between cerberus who is supposedly trying to stay hidden, and the spectres who are above the law. Spectres only hold spectre status within council space, in which case they SHOULD display their badges. Anyone who doesn't cooperate with a spectre can be gunned down with no consequences.

If anything the spectre badge should be displayed with a neon sign.

[Sgt Stryker]

Ahglock wrote...

The main thing I think is silly about the specter thing is that they wear the specter symbol on their outfits. It is worse than the cerberus logo all over the place.

The masses need to be reminded that the person they're dealing with is a Spectre.

That applies to both in-universe and out-of-universe masses.

[The Hierophant]

Nashiktal wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

Which is the military arm of the council, which ashley would work for.

Again, not the best political message to send.

Yeah i see what you mean, it gives off a uncle tom like vibe.

[upsettingshorts]

Nashiktal wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

Which is the military arm of the council, which ashley would work for.

Again, not the best political message to send.

Unless they have rank amateurs working in their galactic PR department, it wouldn't be an issue.

The events of ME1 blow away the First Contact War.  They aren't even in the same category.   It would be very, very easy to point out how irrelevant the Williams' family history is to Ashley Williams.  The reason it wasn't done to begin with is because she was a nobody and her superiors - old Alliance brass, guys Presley's age and older - had a bone to pick.  Now that they at the very least partially owe her for the success of the Systems Alliance on the galactic stage, they are very, very likely to no longer give a crap about what her grandfather did.

The fact that if Ashley dies she is a positive part of Alliance public relations/propaganda (listen to news bulletins) proves this beyond any doubt.  The arguments about her grandfather's legacy holding her back after ME1-2 are absurd.

The Hierophant wrote...

Yeah i see what you mean, it gives off a uncle tom like vibe.

Oh please. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 29 octobre 2011 - 05:44 .

[Not the Droid]

Her hair heheh wow...
Nashiktal I think you might be overthinking this one. I am pretty dang sure one General Custer sported long golden girly locks well till he got that real close trim heh and the fella's that gave it to him sure were not sporting crew cuts. A bit more modern you say well the Vietnam era produced many female sniper's (NVC side) they were just as skilled as there "short hair" equivelent and just tied it in a simply tail or braid.
The main reason short is the standard now is to turn "individual" thinking into squad mentality quicker plain and simple makes training much easier. Does not make a lick of diffrence in fighting prowess.

Come to think of it I think the romans and the celts both took great pride in there hair and would actually comb it before a battle to show how they were not worried in the least to freak out the other side heh.

(And most Punk hairstyles were actually wore in combat ahem The Mohawk at its oldest was worn by ancient Russians , the Irish, chinesse and of course in the modern era the Native american tribe of the same name and the 101st Airborn during WW2 to freak out the germans)

[Iakus]

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

Which is the military arm of the council, which ashley would work for.

Again, not the best political message to send.

Yeah i see what you mean, it gives off a uncle tom like vibe.

Humans are on the Council now too.  Humans may very well be running the Council. A Spectre would be advancing human interests as much as alien.

Besides, If Ash dies on VIrmire, she posthumously receives the turian Nova Cluster medal for her service.  The first human to receive such an award.  Ash earned considerable goodwill from the alien races for her actions in ME1.

[The Hierophant]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I can kind of see the reasoning for ashley not being a spectre, it would be embarrassing for the woman who's ancestor surrendered to the very races she would be completely accountable to end up working for them.

I thought it was only the Turians humanity fought in the First Contact War?

Which is the military arm of the council, which ashley would work for.

Again, not the best political message to send.

Unless they have rank amateurs working in their galactic PR department, it wouldn't be an issue.

The events of ME1 blow away the First Contact War.  They aren't even in the same category.   It would be very, very easy to point out how irrelevant the Williams' family history is to Ashley Williams.  The reason it wasn't done to begin with is because she was a nobody and her superiors - old Alliance brass, guys Presley's age and older - had a bone to pick.  Now that they at the very least partially owe her for the success of the Systems Alliance on the galactic stage, they are very, very likely to no longer give a crap about what her grandfather did.

The fact that if Ashley dies she is a positive part of Alliance public relations/propaganda (listen to news bulletins) proves this beyond any doubt.  The arguments about her grandfather's legacy holding her back after ME1-2 are absurd.

The Hierophant wrote...

Yeah i see what you mean, it gives off a uncle tom like vibe.

Oh please. 

[Nashiktal]

Not the Droid wrote...

Her hair heheh wow...
Nashiktal I think you might be overthinking this one. I am pretty dang sure one General Custer sported long golden girly locks well till he got that real close trim heh and the fella's that gave it to him sure were not sporting crew cuts. A bit more modern you say well the Vietnam era produced many female sniper's (NVC side) they were just as skilled as there "short hair" equivelent and just tied it in a simply tail or braid.
The main reason short is the standard now is to turn "individual" thinking into squad mentality quicker plain and simple makes training much easier. Does not make a lick of diffrence in fighting prowess.

Come to think of it I think the romans and the celts both took great pride in there hair and would actually comb it before a battle to show how they were not worried in the least to freak out the other side heh.

(And most Punk hairstyles were actually wore in combat ahem The Mohawk at its oldest was worn by ancient Russians , the Irish, chinesse and of course in the modern era the Native american tribe of the same name and the 101st Airborn during WW2 to freak out the germans)

Not to cut your long post short, but when did I ever say long hair was bad? Ashley always had long hair.

In fact rereading makes me thing you are talking about someone else. I was complaning about ashley having her hair in her eyes, everything you listed is what I was talking about. Everyone you listed had their hair out of their eyes save maybe the celts, but even then they were taking good care of their hair.

I think you are talking to the wrong person mate.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:00 .

[Not the Droid]

"Do those girls who rock the punk look go into combat on a regular basis? Actually let me rephrase that, did those women who rock punk ever have a military history and still rock the punk look before going into combat?

Sure its hair. However I come from a militry family. Its not that ashley has pretty hair, its ashley has pretty hair and doesnt care she cant see people when she is shooting. Hell an early pic had her shooting with her left eye completely covered by her hair when she was shooting.

It hurts my immersion"

Sorry It seems I took it the wrong way I thought you were mad she dinna have a more military look but after a reread I see your a bit more upset hehe that she is going into battle looking like she is doing a shampoo commercial

Point taken glad your good natured and didnt take me to task.

[Nashiktal]

Not the Droid wrote...

"Do those girls who rock the punk look go into combat on a regular basis? Actually let me rephrase that, did those women who rock punk ever have a military history and still rock the punk look before going into combat?

Sure its hair. However I come from a militry family. Its not that ashley has pretty hair, its ashley has pretty hair and doesnt care she cant see people when she is shooting. Hell an early pic had her shooting with her left eye completely covered by her hair when she was shooting.

It hurts my immersion"

Sorry It seems I took it the wrong way I thought you were mad she dinna have a more military look but after a reread I see your a bit more upset hehe that she is going into battle looking like she is doing a shampoo commercial

Point taken glad your good natured and didnt take me to task.

Ah I can see how you misconstrued that though. I think my idea of punk is different from others (eyes in the face, wasn't thinking about mohawkes), in any case sorry for the misunderstanding.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:07 .

[Not the Droid]

Smile

I agree with you by the way.. Humm but maybe we should do some name calling anyway to fit in
anyway.

My face and an elcors butt .... no wait dang I messed it all up
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[Obvakhi]

[quote]Obvakhi wrote...

[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...

[quote]Nashiktal wrote...

We know enough about her that she wouldn't be dolled up or in a rubber suit during a fight.[/quote]Would she ever be though? For all we know, that catsuit could've been her casual outfit. We only saw her in-game during Earth level demo, which happens after the trial she attends. What if that was her dolled up outfit for the trial? Since you know, you should dress up nice for court? We didn't see what Kaidan wears in the Earth level demo, he might have a jacket dolled up outfit as well.
[/quote]

The problem is we don't know. I wasn't around for all the fuss about Miranda, but I hear that the buzz eventually died down and people simply believed BW not to give them an over-sexed woman. well, BW sh*t all over that belief, so why exactly should we simply trust their word now, without proof?

[/quote]

And yet you have JRPG's all over your sig and avatar, the very pinnacle of over-sexualized women.... but I'm sure that didn't stop you from enjoying those games, did it? So why should this be any concern?
A woman letting her hair down and wearing a lighter suit... oh the humanity!

[quote]

There is a difference between a jrp and bioware. Are you telling me that I can't enjoy both? Diversity? OH TEH HUMANITY!
[/quote]

Sure seems that way.

[quote]Also thats not a light suit, its a rubber suit. See all that lovely latex? [/quote]

Right... and Ashley's Pheonix armor is made out of plastic.

[quote]Oh and don't get me started how you are ignoring all the well reasoned argument to post sarcasm. Yup. No trolling there.[/quote]

As far as I remember, it was you complainers' 'well reasoned arguments' that got the other Ashley armor topics locked.... yeah no trolling there.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:35 .

[Obvakhi]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Your quotes are messed up.

Yes I'm aware, I was talking to Nashiktal.
Just got back from work, don't feel like editing right now.

[AkodoRyu]

Wannabe_Overlord wrote...
(...) see no point in finishing ME2 since ME3 apparantly is getting a comic for choices,

You know, ME2 is technically a good game. Why not give it a try?

Wannabe_Overlord wrote...
(...) and I noticed that in ME1 and ME2 that Ashley looks like a strong independent military woman but in ME3 she looks like she got implants and botox injected in her face with excess make-up.

Hmm, weird. She always had prominent lips and rosy-cheeks, and I'm pretty sure her face mesh won't be changed much, but textures will be heavily remade to improve details, which were there previously, but now will be more noticeable.

Wannabe_Overlord wrote...
(...) Is she really wearing a Tight Suit and heels? Why did she drop the Heavy Armor look? I thought she was supposed to be a Soldier class.

I think many previous posts already answered that question. Though many people are slightly mis-leaded by the style that the concept artist is drawing silhouettes in.

Wannabe_Overlord wrote...
Is there a Lore or Game reason why she looks so drastically different in ME3 while all the other returning characters generally look the same as they always have?

Maybe that some of those characters got through some bitter times, grew up ranks and actively followed their duty? They changed during years, gained authority, became hardened.
Add design change to that, for better or worse, but in the end what's the point of making all things exactly the same as in the previous games?

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:02 .

[Obvakhi]

Ghost-621 wrote...

"Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."
 - Gunnery Chief Ashley Williams


Hey, Bioware, that's a direct quote from that game YOU created not too long ago..oh...what was it...the first Mass Effect?

What happened to Ashley? Please, go read that quote, write it down, and post little sticky notes with it all over your office.

Or perhaps Ashley finally tried out that leather commando armor and thought "Hmmm.... you know, this lighter armor actually isn't too bad." maybe she prefers it now over Heavy? I don't know... just saying what could happen.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:08 .

[Patchwork]

Does this concept art pic (my God those poses are awful) mean Ashley isn't getting Kaidan armour?
Because that, along with the toggled helmet we're promised, cooled my annoyance at the insulting T&A sexing up of Ashley.

IMO Bioware don't care who Shepard chooses to bang it's all about putting a scantily glad woman in/on the various promo material.

Modifié par Ser Bard, 29 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[AkodoRyu]

Guys, please. Ash and Kaidan are "interchangeable". They will have the same features except for their class.

@down: It was born in the very first part of the game, believe it or not.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:11 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Honestly, her looking much bettter is great motivation not to cheat on her in ME2.

Honestly, that's just...

That statement does not make too much sense to me. Well, if you, the player, decide that you want your Shepard to be with "sexy Ash" in ME3, yeah, okay. This feels pretty damn shallow, but this seems to be the way BioWare is thinking. Good old Ash = meh / "sexy Ash" = ****, yeah!
Now, if you actually try to, I don't know, roleplay your character, what effect could Ash's looks in ME3 possibly have on your actions in the previous games? Nooooone!

@topic

Now, it looks like Ash is really getting some kind of armour, so that's good. And I'm not suggesting her character is ruined or anything, we don't know that at all. Going by what we've seen so far, though, and weighing in the fact that her writer from ME wasn't around for ME3 I think it's fair to be at least a bit sceptical when it comes to Ash, who happens to be one of my favourite characters in the ME universe. I'll be more than happy to praise BioWare if the Ash in ME3 turns out to be a well written, sensibly developed version of the character we got know.

[RPGamer13]

seirhart wrote...

Have you played Infinite Undiscovery? I have that is one of my most favorite xbox games, I have played lost odyssey and tales of vesperia and I don't like those at all, I just can't stand them. I have beaten infinite undiscovery on every difficulty and my fav chracter for that game is Aya and michelle running around in a skirt and dress as well as fighting.

Another game that has over sexulized women or scenes that is wrong is Record of agarest war and record of agarest war zero.

What about Spectral Souls, Generation of Chaos, or Spectral Force 3?

White Knight Chronicles? Ys? 

And Tales of Vesperia has one character, Judith and she's supposed to be that way.  If she wasn't then you wouldn't have one of the best interactions in the entire game:

After battle with Judith and Estelle in the party:

Estelle: *looks at Judith, speaking under her breath* They're bouncing...!
Judith: What are you looking at...?
Estelle:  I wish I could bounce...

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

Why concerned of ME3 when you didn't play ME1 and don't care about ME2?
But to answer your question : I believe I heard on a random post here that she didn't look to "womanly" even with her Phoenix Armor. So they changed her, they weren't going to in Me2 since she just had a very small role. That's the only thing I heard about it.

Exactly, she didn't, I even explain why below

seirhart wrote...

For me I highly prefer this new Ashley way before the old one and I might be in the minority here but as I said I like her new look. Though I do wonder is Ashley supposed to be the new improved miranda?

I don't think so.

I see it as with the new look that she finally looks how she was supposed to from the start, but perhaps due to whatever limitations Bioware had whether with their skill or the hardware and/or software, Ashley just couldn't be designed exactly the way she was meant to.

Did no one else notice how freakishly huge Ashley's eyes were in both ME1 and 2?

Her eyebrows also looked thicker back in the day and didn't look feminine at all.  That's because they were darker.  Now her nose, her nostrils aren't as wide and I think the shape looks more feminine and prettier.


Before the first game was released, wasn't it said that she was supposed to be strong, but very beautiful?  Maybe not those words exactly, but that was the gist of what I remember reading.  And now, ashley actually looks it!

You must be blind if you cannot see...  But whatever, apparently I'm just talking to a brick wall or perhaps myself.

Nashiktal wrote...

While I can't argue taste, can we at least agree its out of character for ashley? I can at least accept that miranda isn't military (and I used her more as an officer on the ship than a soldier anyways) but with ashley she was always the type to prefer armor. She mocked light armor that asari wore and even claimed she would prefer heavy armor between herself and bullets.

It just feels... wrong to have her in that getup during combat. Of course this is all moot, as she is supposedly getting proper armor now.

Except, usually when people mock something they secretly like it, but don't want to admit it or just don't want to appear to be weak by "giving in".  I believe she mentions in the first game that being in the military she feels like she should show that's she's just as tough or tougher as her male counterparts.

At some point, someone like that snaps and will start doing things they want to do rather than what they feel they have to do.  And I strongly believe that Ashley feels like she had to be the she was.

She actually was a spectre right?  That's like the perfect time for her to she off more of her feminine side.  But that doesn't change that when it comes down to it, being a part of the military, she will do whatever she has to do should she be drawn back into service in the military.

Also, a trial if it's something she was appearing for because she was ordered to, is another perfect time for her to show off her softer, more feminine side.

You guys want to see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe and as such, will brush off anything the people who created her has to say that doesn't fall into your beliefs.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

RPGamer13 wrote...

Except, usually when people mock something they secretly like it, but don't want to admit it or just don't want to appear to be weak by "giving in".  I believe she mentions in the first game that being in the military she feels like she should show that's she's just as tough or tougher as her male counterparts.

At some point, someone like that snaps and will start doing things they want to do rather than what they feel they have to do.  And I strongly believe that Ashley feels like she had to be the she was.

She actually was a spectre right?  That's like the perfect time for her to she off more of her feminine side.  But that doesn't change that when it comes down to it, being a part of the military, she will do whatever she has to do should she be drawn back into service in the military.

I think any military woman who goes out of her way to deliberately show off her feminine side, at the expense of practicality and protection, is anything but professional.

I see Ashley as being completely professional and suited to open combat, which is why I think that this new look goes against her character.

And, really, the explanation that "she just wants to show off her feminine side" is... ehm... I don't know how to describe it. It's like you don't know anything about real women. And women who don't know anything about being in real combat (or the military, at least), and who've never had to dress for practicality's sake, might think the same way. But, to be perfectly honest, that line of thought is ****ing ludicrous.
I've never seen a woman's mental capacity break down so much, for example, that she thinks that going into a paintball arena without the proper padding or helmet is a good idea. As another example, my girlfriend wears her helmet and tough pants EVERY SINGLE TIME she rides her motorcycle, even though the helmet gives her helmet hair. She would NEVER decide that showing off her hair or legs is more important than wearing ****ing protection, and that goes for every sane woman out there.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 29 octobre 2011 - 09:14 .