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[DxWill10]

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

That's what's realistic. I don't think this is a change of character. She's a spectre now, not just some grunt marine. She's an important person, and knows her appearance as a female is now going to be viewed by more than just her platoon.

As I said, I like to RP as much as the next guy. But if I have a choice, I'll choose attractive female characters over less attractive versions of themselves every time.

Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for a pretty lady.

[Nashiktal]

DxWill, if you don't understand you havn't read this thread, or any other about this issue. Its not about wanting to see unattractive women (which by the way, is based on taste I don't think ashley was ugly at all and in fact I think she looks a bit wierd now) in fact many have already said they don't mind the new look as a casual outfit.

Please read through the thread.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 29 octobre 2011 - 09:46 .

[Iakus]

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

Ash was already attractive in ME1 and ME2.  And it was pulled off without turning her into an adolecent fantasy.

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

I have no problems with her hair longer and loose (as long as it's not in her face during combat) But that outift looks to be a uniform.  WTF does the Alliance think of their female members putting them in that?

That's what's realistic. I don't think this is a change of character. She's a spectre now, not just some grunt marine. She's an important person, and knows her appearance as a female is now going to be viewed by more than just her platoon.

 I think the fact that she's human is gonna be a wee bit more important than the fact that she's a woman.  Asari have been Spectres while humans were still trying to figure out this how this newfangled "gunpowder" thing works.

[Nashiktal]

iakus wrote...

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

Ash was already attractive in ME1 and ME2.  And it was pulled off without turning her into an adolecent fantasy.

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

I have no problems with her hair longer and loose (as long as it's not in her face during combat) But that outift looks to be a uniform.  WTF does the Alliance think of their female members putting them in that?

That's what's realistic. I don't think this is a change of character. She's a spectre now, not just some grunt marine. She's an important person, and knows her appearance as a female is now going to be viewed by more than just her platoon.

 I think the fact that she's human is gonna be a wee bit more important than the fact that she's a woman.  Asari have been Spectres while humans were still trying to figure out this how this newfangled "gunpowder" thing works.

And said fanservice race specter's were dressed in heavier armor than ashley at the moment.

[mineralica]

About showing feminine side: maybe chaotic strands will make me look more feminine, but if one of them will catch fire or get in the strong acid... no, thanks. After all, safety protocols in chemical lab are there for a reason. Another thing is that if Ashley or any other person spend many time looking in one way, sudden change will be unsettling - something will consantly disturb. Maybe Miranda after lifetime experience really can go into battle on high heels and flying locks, but I doubt that first thing Ashley would do will be other than discarding heels and tucking hair away, just because she used to fight like this.

Our next stop - "Ashley was semi ugly", "not feminine", etc. Excuse me, but that's a guestion of taste. For me it was unique combination of rather... wild? wide? not conventional?.. features that looked rather questionable separately but were surprisingly pretty while unique when put together. New look isn't that unique - next smooth looking but nothing extraordinary chic, so what?

And, finally, "she always wanted to dress more feminine but just didn't try / hid it to look fit to military". If she really just didn't try light catsuit-like but then suddenly liked it, then she talks with Kaidan about asari having no knowledge in this area (not that I expect from reasonable person). If she always liked to dress up, wear light armor, etc... well, it doesn't look like Shepard was going to restrict her in it; and such situation leaves the feeling that person whom I considered as strong and independent is really insecure and dependent on others' opinion... not the type of character I'm going to like, may I have old Ashley instead?

[Zanallen]

Ashley looks radically different? Is she a cyborg now? Or half varren?

[Dark_Caduceus]

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

[Nashiktal]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

Says the user on BSN.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Nashiktal wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

Says the user on BSN.

You've made 4 posts in the last hour, other than the psot above my last contribution was two days ago... nice rebuttal.

[Iakus]

Nashiktal wrote...

And said fanservice race specter's were dressed in heavier armor than ashley at the moment.

Look to the left of the fanservice picture.  I think you'll be pleasantly suprised 

[Iakus]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

And I'm sure Kaidan's casual outfit will look just like Ash's uniform, complete with thigh-highs and skirt-jacket, right?  

[Ziggy]

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

I disagree with you about what is attractive.

[TheRealJayDee]

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

 

I consider original ME Ash to be one of the most attractive females I've encountered in a video game. Attractiveness to me has more facets than just good looks, nevermind the fact that Ash was fine in that department too. I don't want a universe full of Mirandas, sue me. As for her character not having changed, I certainly hope your right. Still, we won't know until we've met her in the actual game, and until then I choose to remain sceptic.

[Dark_Caduceus]

iakus wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

And I'm sure Kaidan's casual outfit will look just like Ash's uniform, complete with thigh-highs and skirt-jacket, right?  

What's wrong with the casual outfit we've seen, it doesn't look any less functional than her baggy pants and alliance T-shirt from ME1, but it does befit a Spectre and high rank officer more than the original uniform.

[Nashiktal]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

Says the user on BSN.

You've made 4 posts in the last hour, other than the psot above my last contribution was two days ago... nice rebuttal.

Indeed four posts in an hour that took a few minutes to type. On a phone no less while on the bus. Look mate, the thing is this a community to discuss different aspects about a video game, its story, and characters. We are doing just that.

In a visual medium like video games, how a character looks speaks volumes about what character they are supposed to be. As such we are arguing about the changes that may have been made about the character.

Yet you feel the need to question our social lives. Believe it or not it doesn't take a whole lot of time to type a post, and hell you don't even need to be at a computer to do it. I find you the strange one for questioning it.

[Hattie]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

 

I consider original ME Ash to be one of the most attractive females I've encountered in a video game. Attractiveness to me has more facets than just good looks, nevermind the fact that Ash was fine in that department too. I don't want a universe full of Mirandas, sue me.

@ TheRealJayDee
Same here. 

@DxWill10 
And you find "real" women unattractive? huh, sux to be you I guess.

Modifié par Hattie, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:43 .

[Nashiktal]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

iakus wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

And I'm sure Kaidan's casual outfit will look just like Ash's uniform, complete with thigh-highs and skirt-jacket, right?  

What's wrong with the casual outfit we've seen, it doesn't look any less functional than her baggy pants and alliance T-shirt from ME1, but it does befit a Spectre and high rank officer more than the original uniform.

Really? The asari (the fanservice race no less) specter from lair of the shadow broker wore more armor than ashley did from the first few screenshots. Luckily she seems to be getting better armor now though.

[staindgrey]

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

That's what's realistic. I don't think this is a change of character. She's a spectre now, not just some grunt marine. She's an important person, and knows her appearance as a female is now going to be viewed by more than just her platoon.

As I said, I like to RP as much as the next guy. But if I have a choice, I'll choose attractive female characters over less attractive versions of themselves every time.

Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for a pretty lady.

Attractiveness is subjective. I'm much more "attracted" to a woman who's true to herself and in her element than a catsuit for the sake of curves. Ashley is a unique female character in games as she's presented as attractive in other ways: her steadfast loyalty to family and duty, the chip on her shoulder that drives her to such a high standard, her comfort in romantic interactions while in military garb, a lazy bun and no makeup, etc. She's different.

This isn't to say her change in look will be reflected in her character. But it immediately changes my perception of her. I'm not whining over her new appearance, but it's not my first choice at all.

[Iakus]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

iakus wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

She looks like she let her hair down and put on a little make-up, also the resolution of the game will be improved and that is also bound to affect her character model, it actually isn't a big deal, as in, if you spend more than a minute worrying about it you should consider making some friends.

And I'm sure Kaidan's casual outfit will look just like Ash's uniform, complete with thigh-highs and skirt-jacket, right?  

What's wrong with the casual outfit we've seen, it doesn't look any less functional than her baggy pants and alliance T-shirt from ME1, but it does befit a Spectre and high rank officer more than the original uniform.

The old casual outfit looked way more functional.  It was simple and fucntional, with out unnecessary flash.  Exactly what I'd expect a day-to-day military outfit to be. 

New outfit:

Thigh high boots.  Unless Spectre headquarters is located on a swamp world, this screams "impractical"
Belt so loose I can't imagine what it's holding up
Jacket-skirt-thing.  Seriously, what's that about?  has Isabela's tunic look come back in the 22nd century?  At least there's pants this time. 
White pants tucked into boots.  Between boots and skirt, showing just enough to suggest underwear shots.  Or possibly garters.

Now I ask you, seriously.  Do you expect Kaidan's casual look to resemble this?

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

Jacket-skirt-thing.  Seriously, what's that about?  has Isabela's tunic look come back in the 22nd century?  At least there's pants this time. 

Not sure if I should  or . The whole Isabela tunic debate was nightmarish. In any case, yay pants!

[Mr. MannlyMan]

DxWill10 wrote...

Jeez I thought I was a hardcore role player. You guys actually do it so intensely you'd rather look at an unattractive woman (why? for the 'real' factor?) instead of looking at an attractive one who's done nothing to change her character but improve the way she looks?

I just don't understand, ex: would you want your semi-ugly girlfriend to stay semi-ugly and not try and become more attractive? I'd hope not. Sure I could understand if they gave Ash a combat suit like Miranda's, but she's a soldier, she's going to be wearing armor worthy of her class. All that's happened is she is more appealing to look at. And I don't think her doing it for the simple reason of 'because she wanted to look more attractive' is unrealistic or unreasonable. You'll be hard pressed to find a girl who doesn't care about what she looks like.

That's what's realistic. I don't think this is a change of character. She's a spectre now, not just some grunt marine. She's an important person, and knows her appearance as a female is now going to be viewed by more than just her platoon.

As I said, I like to RP as much as the next guy. But if I have a choice, I'll choose attractive female characters over less attractive versions of themselves every time.

Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for a pretty lady.

In other words: "Ashley is female. Females always try to look pretty. Therefore, Ashley should be trying to look pretty."

And trying to show the galaxy that she can be sexy... she's a Spectre, the ultimate class of super-soldier. She's not a diplomat; she's supposed to look intimidatingly professional. Not catty.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:36 .

[Golden Owl]

jreezy wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

jreezy wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

OP:

If you werent around for ME1, and dont care to get involved with ME2, why do you care about it for ME3?

My thoughts exactly.

"ME3 is a great entry point for people new to the franchise."
"We're targetting a new group of players for our games."
"ME3 is a great entry point for people new to the series."

all comments are paraphrased, of course

Wow. They were right.

Still doesn't make much sense....why play ME3 if you have no interest in the first two games?

[Sgt Stryker]

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

jreezy wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

OP:

If you werent around for ME1, and dont care to get involved with ME2, why do you care about it for ME3?

My thoughts exactly.

"ME3 is a great entry point for people new to the franchise."
"We're targetting a new group of players for our games."
"ME3 is a great entry point for people new to the series."

all comments are paraphrased, of course

Wow. They were right.

Still doesn't make much sense....why play ME3 if you have no interest in the first two games?

Because it has explosions, hologram swords, and space-boobs?

[who would know]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I consider original ME Ash to be one of the most attractive females I've encountered in a video game. Attractiveness to me has more facets than just good looks, nevermind the fact that Ash was fine in that department too. I don't want a universe full of Mirandas, sue me. As for her character not having changed, I certainly hope your right. Still, we won't know until we've met her in the actual game, and until then I choose to remain sceptic.

staindgrey wrote...



Attractiveness is subjective. I'm much
more "attracted" to a woman who's true to herself and in her element
than a catsuit for the sake of curves. Ashley is a unique female
character in games as she's presented as attractive in other ways: her
steadfast loyalty to family and duty, the chip on her shoulder that
drives her to such a high standard, her comfort in romantic interactions
while in military garb, a lazy bun and no makeup, etc. She's
different.

Well said!

@jreezy: updated my last post, if you're so inclined.

[SkittlesKat96]

She is long hair and extra lipstick now I think

No one questions it for some reason O.o

I think she is still pretty but I unno, whenever I look at her it almost feels too obvious that they are going for a more Miranda/hot look now.

Also you'd think Alliance soldiers would have shorter hair. Maybe the Alliance works differently or because she is a spectre (or at least we think she is, hasn't even been properly confirmed but its probably true) she doesn't bother to follow those rules.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:19 .