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D.Kain wrote...

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Wait what? just because she kinda looks like a sith lord doesn't make her as evil as one :lol:


Kasumi is a thief and an assasin. She robs people and kills innocent guards that stand in her way for MONEY. Morinth atleast has a goal imo.


She is not an assassin. And she does not kill guards unless they shoot at her first. Her preference is to never been seen or discovered and she succeeds most of the time. This is another of those ridiculous things you write that I just can't take seriously.

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Athayniel wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Wait what? just because she kinda looks like a sith lord doesn't make her as evil as one :lol:


Kasumi is a thief and an assasin. She robs people and kills innocent guards that stand in her way for MONEY. Morinth atleast has a goal imo.


She is not an assassin. And she does not kill guards unless they shoot at her first. Her preference is to never been seen or discovered and she succeeds most of the time. This is another of those ridiculous things you write that I just can't take seriously.


Dude shadow strike is a clear assasination skill. She kills people that are unlucky to stand in her way just for money. Not idiology, not because it is important, no just for money, because she wants wealth.

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Samara can't be Ardat Yakshi. Morinth already called her mother. Samara is incorrigible, one of the few.

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D.Kain wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

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I just know that Morinth is no worse than the rest of the crew.


Compared to whom, exactly? Morinth seems to be on the evil end of the list for Squaddies in ME2.


Well Morinth is at the same level with Thane, Jack and Samara. People that are more evil are Kasumi, Zaeed. 

I can't even take that post seriously...


Thane kills because he is a tool. Samara kills innocents for the code. Jack kills for her survival, she is most close to Morinth. Zaeed kills random people with no questions for money, innocents or whoever, same as Kasumi, they are mercs.

How does Morinth kill for survival? 

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D.Kain going crazy again?

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DCarter wrote...

How does Morinth kill for survival? 


I explained that somewhere along 150 threads. Just know that I believe it to be so.

You can search the: ''Punished for trusting a monster'' thread And read 100+ pages. I think every view about Morinth has been there.

Modifié par D.Kain, 29 octobre 2011 - 10:35 .


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BatmanPWNS wrote...

D.Kain going crazy again?


I'm not crazy lol. Just rational.

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That would be a nice dramatic twist. It would explain why Samara feels tempted when Shepard tries to initiate a romance, and why she adamantly refuses at the last moment, and the entire angst that she seems to feel on the matter. It would be pretty chilling to learn something like that after the fact, and realize just how close Shepard was to death, and Samara was to fall.

That could redeem the entire boring and plain Samara character. Hidden dark secrets, revelations, more depth to a character. Maybe Samara was quite a dark character before she converted to Justicar and made their codex her own because she could no longer trust her own choices and saw that all her actions led to evil.

Too bad this goes completely against the lore. But let's ignore the lore for a moment in favour of storytelling.

It would be fun if Ardat-Yakshi was a dormant trait, and a pureblood could become one under the stress or certain conditions. Imagine Liara becoming one, and all the drama and angst that comes out of it.

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If there were dark secrets about Samara that were revealed in ME2 then it would have made the Morinth choice seem less black and white.

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D.Kain wrote...

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D.Kain wrote...

I just know that Morinth is no worse than the rest of the crew.


Compared to whom, exactly? Morinth seems to be on the evil end of the list for Squaddies in ME2.


Well Morinth is at the same level with Thane, Jack and Samara. People that are more evil are Kasumi, Zaeed. 

I'll give you Zaeed but from what I've seen of Kasumi, just no. As far as the other three are concerned the only one that could even closely compare is Jack. The sad thing is I'd trust my Shepard's life to Jack over Morinth.

Modifié par jreezy, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .


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slimgrin wrote...

Samara can't be Ardat Yakshi. Morinth already called her mother. Samara is incorrigible, one of the few.


Did you mean "incorruptable"? Incorrigible implies something else entirely.

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I'll give you Zaeed but from what I've seen of Kasumi, just no. As far as the other three are concerned the only one that could even closely compare is Jack. The sad thing is I'd trust my Shepard's life to Jack over Morinth.


How is Kasumi different from Zaeed? The fact that she doesn't rage and just kills with jokes and smiles? Kasumi is worse than Morinth on Good/Evil scale. Samara, Thane and Jack all kill because they feel they need to and that is what connects them to Morinth. Morinth feels that she needs to do it for not completely known yet reason, but she doesn't do it for lolz. Samara kills because of the code. Thane kills because he was tought to be that way and he feels that he must be that way, Jack kills because she feels she needs to do it to survive. 
Zaeed and Kasumi are both more evil than Thane, Samara, Jack or Morinth, because they just do it for money. 

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D.Kain wrote...

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I'll give you Zaeed but from what I've seen of Kasumi, just no. As far as the other three are concerned the only one that could even closely compare is Jack. The sad thing is I'd trust my Shepard's life to Jack over Morinth.


How is Kasumi different from Zaeed? The fact that she doesn't rage and just kills with jokes and smiles? Kasumi is worse than Morinth on Good/Evil scale. Samara, Thane and Jack all kill because they feel they need to and that is what connects them to Morinth. Morinth feels that she needs to do it for not completely known yet reason, but she doesn't do it for lolz. Samara kills because of the code. Thane kills because he was tought to be that way and he feels that he must be that way, Jack kills because she feels she needs to do it to survive. 
Zaeed and Kasumi are both more evil than Thane, Samara, Jack or Morinth, because they just do it for money. 

I always knew your views of good and evil were screwed. classic D.Kain post here.

Modifié par jreezy, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:17 .


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jreezy wrote...

I always knew your views of good and evil were screwed. classic D.Kain post here.


So what is screwed in my views? I blame people that kill for luxury(money) more than those that do it for survival, or where raised as assasins.

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D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always knew your views of good and evil were screwed. classic D.Kain post here.


So what is screwed in my views? I blame people that kill for luxury(money) more than those that do it for survival, or where raised as assasins.

Which is why your viewpoint on Zaeed was spot on. Kusumi however doesn't fit that criteria of killing for money.

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jreezy wrote...

Which is why your viewpoint on Zaeed was spot on. Kusumi however doesn't fit that criteria of killing for money.


She is a thief. She has shadow strike - an assasination power. She get's into peoples safes and quitely kills people that can stop her from getting money. 

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Ah, this again.

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jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I always knew your views of good and evil were screwed. classic D.Kain post here.


So what is screwed in my views? I blame people that kill for luxury(money) more than those that do it for survival, or where raised as assasins.

Which is why your viewpoint on Zaeed was spot on. Kusumi however doesn't fit that criteria of killing for money.


I'm going with jreezy here, Kasumi's definitely not as evil as Morinth/Zaeed. She's a thief, not an assassin.

Modifié par soccerchick, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:36 .


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D.Kain wrote...
She is a thief. She has shadow strike - an assasination power.

Have you ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?

D.Kain wrote...
She get's into peoples safes and quitely kills people that can stop her from getting money.

When did this happen?

Modifié par Pockles, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:35 .


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D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Which is why your viewpoint on Zaeed was spot on. Kusumi however doesn't fit that criteria of killing for money.


She is a thief. She has shadow strike - an assasination power. She get's into peoples safes and quitely kills people that can stop her from getting money. 

Being a thief doesn't automatically qualify someone as evil. As far as the power is concerned, who cares? The only time she'd use it or any other lethal method is when her life is in danger.

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jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Which is why your viewpoint on Zaeed was spot on. Kusumi however doesn't fit that criteria of killing for money.


She is a thief. She has shadow strike - an assasination power. She get's into peoples safes and quitely kills people that can stop her from getting money. 

Being a thief doesn't automatically qualify someone as evil. As far as the power is concerned, who cares? The only time she'd use it or any other lethal method is when her life is in danger.



Because it's perfectly fine to kill people that threaten you when you are in THEIR house. Kasumi is a thief and a killer.

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And as far as Zaeed goes, he's a mercenary. That is, he is paid to fight/kill etc. Soldiers do the same thing. Far as it goes, Alliance Shepard and Zaeed do the same job, just answer to different people, so there's a little perspective. Condemn Zaeed and Shepard, not to mention most of the rest of the cast, is in it, too.

That makes Zaeed buyable, in a sense, but that doesn't make him evil. There are very few things and characters that are evil in ME2 and Morinth is one of them.

Modifié par Asenza, 29 octobre 2011 - 11:52 .


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Pockles wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
She is a thief. She has shadow strike - an assasination power.

Have you ever heard of gameplay and story segregation?

D.Kain wrote...
She get's into peoples safes and quitely kills people that can stop her from getting money.

When did this happen?


If Kasumi wasn't a killer she would go all: OMG, I'm killing peole! All shocked, on missions, and when her plan went wrong.

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Asenza wrote...

And as far as Zaeed goes, he's a mercenary. That is, he is paid to fight/kill etc. Soldiers do the same thing.

That makes Zaeed buyable, in a sense, but that doesn't make him evil. There are very few things and characters that are evil in ME2 and Morinth is one of them.


Any merc is worse than Morinth. Since when is it ok to kill random people, innocent or not, no questions asked? By your logic Morinth would be less evil if somebody payed her to kill people.