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[DrFumb1ezX]

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

[Asenza]

soccerchick wrote...

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

Hey, even Zaeed has some semblance of a conscience. You take him on Jack's loyalty mission and he goes, "I've done some bad things, but this...".

[DrFumb1ezX]

True, but only a complete monster would harm children. *looks at Morinth and Anders*

[D.Kain]

soccerchick wrote...

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

Must not write 100 pages of arguments. lol

I am just going to say that I disagree with what you said here. Atleast know that imo:
1) Morinth is completely sane and in control.
2) Morinth kills not for sex and not for thrill.

[Asenza]

soccerchick wrote...

True, but only a complete monster would harm children. *looks at Morinth and Anders*

... Wait, I must have missed something. What did Anders do to children? >_< God, that sounded so wrong.

[spirosz]

Athayniel wrote...

Morinth and Jack are the only two who compare with each other on the "remorseless killing of defenseless innocents" scale. And Jack comes in a very distant second just by virtue of only being in her twenties.

Jack's never actually mentioned killing anyone innocent, like a civilian or anything. She's killed, that's for sure, but from what I gathered, all that was mentioned was Mercs, other criminals (of all types) and anyone that was out to kill her.  Think about the "going pirate", she could of killed the crew, but decided not too.  If we were to count the children in Pragia, you could argue that they either side was forced to fight and the guards and scientists decided how far it could escalade and at that point, she was filled with drugs and not in the right mindset or able to do otherwise. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:40 .

[D.Kain]

soccerchick wrote...

True, but only a complete monster would harm children. *looks at Morinth and Anders*

Oh and yay for Anders. lol

[Asenza]

spiros9110 wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

Morinth and Jack are the only two who compare with each other on the "remorseless killing of defenseless innocents" scale. And Jack comes in a very distant second just by virtue of only being in her twenties.

Jack's never actually mentioned killing anyone innocent, like a civilian or anything. She's killed, that's for sure, but from what I gathered, all that was mentioned was Mercs, other criminals (of all types) and anyone that was out to kill her.  Think about the "going pirate", she could of killed all the crew, but decided not too.  If we were to count the children in Pragia, you could argue that they either side was forced to fight and the guards and scientists decided how far it could escalade and at that point, she was filled with drugs and not in the right mindset or able to do otherwise. 

Yeah. She never just strode around Omega and made peoples' heads explode... that's Morinth's MO.

[Labrev]

soccerchick wrote...

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

If victims are her drug then she's incredibly picky for an addict, seeing as how she doesn't kill someone unless she's actually interested in them. And she has no problem abstaining on the Normandy if recruited.

The whole thing about deaths being a narcotic to her is a claim made by Samara not backed-up anywhere else, and goes contrary to what we actually she of her.

[Asenza]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

If victims are her drug then she's incredibly picky for an addict, seeing as how she doesn't kill someone unless she's actually interested in them. And she has no problem abstaining on the Normandy if recruited.

The whole thing about deaths being a narcotic to her is a claim made by Samara not backed-up anywhere else, and goes contrary to what we actually she of her.

When you attack Samara's "claims" due to the fact that they are unsubstantiated elsewhere, you need to provide a reason as to why she might be incorrect or lying.

Samara is in a position to know. She DID have 3 Ardat-Yakshi daughters. Does she have any reason to lie? Not really, no. Has she ever been caught in a lie at any time that we have known her? No.

Morinth, on the other hand...

[Labrev]

Asenza wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

Killing people because it gets you high is better than being paid to kill? What?
Morinth kills for the thrill. She does it because it's like nicotine to her.
You know what's one thing Morinth doesn't have that almost everyone but Zaeed seems to have? A sense of guilt.

I know you'd like to believe that Morinth is going to change her ways with Shep's guidance, but she's not. She's been hunting sapient beings like you and I for nearly 4 centuries, apparently. She's patient, she's meticulous, and she's deadly. She is the perfect predator, and the only way she'll stop is if she's killed.
Sorry.

If victims are her drug then she's incredibly picky for an addict, seeing as how she doesn't kill someone unless she's actually interested in them. And she has no problem abstaining on the Normandy if recruited.

The whole thing about deaths being a narcotic to her is a claim made by Samara not backed-up anywhere else, and goes contrary to what we actually she of her.

When you attack Samara's "claims" due to the fact that they are unsubstantiated elsewhere, you need to provide a reason as to why she might be incorrect or lying.

Samara is in a position to know. She DID have 3 Ardat-Yakshi daughters. Does she have any reason to lie? Not really, no. Has she ever been caught in a lie at any time that we have known her? No.

Morinth, on the other hand...

Which I did, when I said that it goes directly against what we see of Morinth. It's possible Samara is wrong in her thinking.

Really, it's bad writing by the devs. But that bad writing is locked-in now. Like Kahoku and his misinformation about Cerberus. The explanation now is that Kahoku was misinformed.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Asenza wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

True, but only a complete monster would harm children. *looks at Morinth and Anders*

... Wait, I must have missed something. What did Anders do to children? >_< God, that sounded so wrong.

Not like that, you perverted friend of mine.
I meant in a "4th of July" kind of way.

[Asenza]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Which I did, when I said that it goes directly against what we see of Morinth. It's possible Samara is wrong in her thinking.

Really, it's bad writing by the devs. But that bad writing is locked-in now. Like Kahoku and his misinformation about Cerberus. The explanation now is that Kahoku was misinformed.

... How does it go directly against what we see of Morinth? Why would Samara be wrong in her thinking?

The only aspect of Morinth in ME2 that can possibly be considered wrong is the absurd SAMARA OR THIS CHICK YOU JUST MET WHO WAS TRYING TO KILL YOU CHOOSE ONE NOW! choice. But Morinth is what it says on the box. A cold-blooded, thrill-seeking serial killer who has a thing for Forta and Expel 10.

An additional No-No could be the addition of, "But she likes art and music!" to Morinth. That's like going, "But Hilter was an artist!"

[DrFumb1ezX]

^
Do you know how damn funny I still find that "Hitler was an artist!" excuse? Very funny.

And I still see no reason to let a known serial-killer (who, mind you, gets off on death-sex) continue to just roam around and sex-kill people. My opinion, FYI.

[Labrev]

Asenza wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Which I did, when I said that it goes directly against what we see of Morinth. It's possible Samara is wrong in her thinking.

Really, it's bad writing by the devs. But that bad writing is locked-in now. Like Kahoku and his misinformation about Cerberus. The explanation now is that Kahoku was misinformed.

... How does it go directly against what we see of Morinth? Why would Samara be wrong in her thinking?

The only aspect of Morinth in ME2 that can possibly be considered wrong is the absurd SAMARA OR THIS CHICK YOU JUST MET WHO WAS TRYING TO KILL YOU CHOOSE ONE NOW! choice. But Morinth is what it says on the box. A cold-blooded, thrill-seeking serial killer who has a thing for Forta and Expel 10.

An additional No-No could be the addition of, "But she likes art and music!" to Morinth. That's like going, "But Hilter was an artist!"

Because if she was truly addicted to killing, why would she be so picky about choosing her mates? Addicts to nasty things to get their next fix.

To that end, she doesn't hunt for her victims. You have to seduce HER if you want it to happen. And she doesn't take Shepard in unless she's interested in him/her personally, and is very quick to dump him/her if she isn't.

So no, what Samara says about Morinth does not match up.

[Asenza]

^ Same here.

But I don't know why we're doing this D.Kain+ followers insanity thing when this was supposed to be a uninformed thread about Samara somehow being an Ardat-Yakshi herself, when we have in-game evidence to the very contrary.



@Hah Yes Reapers,

Are you joking? Samara's entire loyalty mission was about gathering information from Morinth's last (late) conquest, Nef. Morinth seduced HER, not the other way around. Morinth was four-hundred years old, and Nef was lonely girl from Omega who went out for a bit of excitement, was given drugs and killed by Morinth.

You can be a picky addict. Of course, Morinth could have just walked down the street and mind-raped anyone who gave her a second look, but that would be a quick way to get herself captured and killed, if she had done that for over four-hundred years. Besides, its not just the kill that interests her, its the hunt. The seduction. That's more than half the fun for serial killers in real-life, the tracking of the target, the seduction, the set-up.

Unless you're just going to discount Nef's journal, the letter Morinth sent her and Morinth's own actions inside her apartment, you haven't a leg to stand on, I'm sorry.

Modifié par Asenza, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:18 .

[DrFumb1ezX]

I'd like to thank all the little people that made this little off-topic jump possible.

But Samara being a Ardat-Yakshi? Highly doubtful. Unless the Devs say otherwise, she's not. For me.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

I'd like to thank all the little people that made this little off-topic jump possible.

But Samara being a Ardat-Yakshi? Highly doubtful. Unless the Devs say otherwise, she's not. For me.

Devs could say whatever they want at this point but the in game evidence points to Samara not being an Ardat Yakshi.

So qunari horns are not there. And biotics that fly to the target as an energy ball is not there, and shields/armor, don't block biotics, because the lore says otherwise. And Udina is not the coucilor, because Shepard chose Anderson. Devs never change anything, and if they do it's not there, because lore says otherwise.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make here.

i just think that they inventer AY concept pretty fast and recent as an interesting idea, not when they invented the asari race. And I think that it can actually change and evolve, and that it is set very little. 

[D.Kain]

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[D.Kain]

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Modifié par D.Kain, 30 octobre 2011 - 05:12 .

[MACharlie1]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

I'd like to thank all the little people that made this little off-topic jump possible.

But Samara being a Ardat-Yakshi? Highly doubtful. Unless the Devs say otherwise, she's not. For me.

Devs could say whatever they want at this point but the in game evidence points to Samara not being an Ardat Yakshi.

So qunari horns are not there. And biotics that fly to the target as an energy ball is not there, and shields/armor, don't block biotics, because the lore says otherwise. And Udina is not the coucilor, because Shepard chose Anderson. Devs never change anything, and if they do it's not there, because lore says otherwise.

Not sure what kind of point you're trying to make here.

He's saying it can be retconned. 

To which, in this case, it'd be hard.

Horns: DA2 had a design change from DAO. And Qunari without horns are still canon - they are very respected in the culture.
Biotics/Shields armor: Gameplay. 
Udina: This is the only one with validity. And we don't exactly know how this will play out in ME3. 

As for Samara being an AY herself. It doesn't need to be a retcon. Remember that we don't learn a thing about her partner. We know she has had many of them. As for her daughters, we don't know if they are triplets. If they are all different ages with the same father, then she cannot be an AY. 

Now for dev intention: it was intended in LotSB to have Shakespeare's poem in the dossiers to make it seem as if Samara had done the nasty with him and so he wrote that love poem. Obviously he didn't die. Not canon but gives an understanding of what they want Samara to be. 

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

Wow. Really.

I have some points to make. To anyone who says there might be a way to live after sex with an Ardat-Yakshi, it's fairly obvious that you can't. If it were possible, Shepard wouldn't die after doing Morinth. Or, on the other hand, if you can, then Morinth just killed Shepard because she wanted to. Therefore, she is evil.

On the subject of evil, I think Jack is the least evil out of the people you were talking about. She's just crazy, not evil. Morinth is the most evil.

Also, the picky addict comments. If you were addicted to, say, heroin, and you had a choice of a used syringe full that you found on the floor, or waiting a bit longer and getting the same amount, minus the AIDS, you are gonna wait.

I think I made my point.