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[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

I said 1, ONE, per week. And it doesn't matter who she's killing. She has no right to do it. Nobody does. No matter how good or bad they are. Just because it's the future, doesn't mean there's no law.

Ok I'm going to answer this instead of the previous post, because it serves to get the point across a lot better.

Shepard is a spectre, a person above the law, Shepard can do whatever he/she thinks is nescecery. Questions?

Edit: By the way, are you going to send all of your crew into jail after you are done, and go to jail yourself?

Modifié par D.Kain, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:21 .

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

D.Kain wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

I said 1, ONE, per week. And it doesn't matter who she's killing. She has no right to do it. Nobody does. No matter how good or bad they are. Just because it's the future, doesn't mean there's no law.

Ok I'm going to answer this instead of the previous post, because it serves to get the point across a lot better.

Shepard is a spectre, a person above the law, Shepard can do whatever he/she thinks is nescecery. Questions?

Edit: By the way, are you going to send all of your crew into jail after you are done, and go to jail yourself?

Yeah, Shepard is a Spectre. Government sanctioned. He/she has been given the power to do what ever he/she wants. However, it is within reason. Take Saren for example. He was allowed to do whatever he wants. He attacked Eden Prime and his Spectre status was stripped.

Anyway, Morinth has not been given permission by any form of government.

[Xeranx]

I apologize for my mistake.

Still, giving the impression that she takes one per week is a stretch unless she's "mind-raping" them as so many incorrectly state. Regardless, the numbers would still be less considering what I've stated. Not that it makes it any better, but it still runs a good chance of being less than what Samara will have.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Yeah, Shepard is a Spectre. Government sanctioned. He/she has been given the power to do what ever he/she wants. However, it is within reason. Take Saren for example. He was allowed to do whatever he wants. He attacked Eden Prime and his Spectre status was stripped.

Anyway, Morinth has not been given permission by any form of government.

Morinth is within reason. She helped me to stop the collectors, which is saving a lot more lives than she took away. 

I don't really care much about the law to be honest, and Morinth is under my protection. And there is no person in the galaxy that knows about where/who Morinth is, that could turn her in. 

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

Xeranx wrote...

I apologize for my mistake.

Still, giving the impression that she takes one per week is a stretch unless she's "mind-raping" them as so many incorrectly state. Regardless, the numbers would still be less considering what I've stated. Not that it makes it any better, but it still runs a good chance of being less than what Samara will have.

Samara has the entire Asari race giving her permission to do what she does. And the only reason she kills is to protect the innocent. Much more noble than, say, killing to become stronger.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Samara has the entire Asari race giving her permission to do what she does. And the only reason she kills is to protect the innocent. Much more noble than, say, killing to become stronger.

Morinth was innocent before she started killing, but she was treated as if she already was a murderer, not fair of asari society.

Edit: Actually a very strong point there: It is ok to kill, as long as the majority approves it! You know that majorities oppinion in not the criteria or right?

Modifié par D.Kain, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:37 .

[Xeranx]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Samara has the entire Asari race giving her permission to do what she does. And the only reason she kills is to protect the innocent. Much more noble than, say, killing to become stronger.

Samara kills every single non-child in an Asari village...each one, by her own admission in saying that they were controlled by Morinth, an innocent. I'm sorry, I can't and won't buy that.

Edit: Also the Asari accept it reluctantly.  Anaya's statements imply that it's a fringe type of deal.

Modifié par Xeranx, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:40 .

[HK-90210]

Sorry of this has been mentioned before in the "Samara is an Ardat-Yakshi" arguement, but when it comes to Ardat-Yakshi being sterile and killing their mates, does this hold true when AY couple with other asari as the 'father' of the mated pair? Could this lead to Samara's family situation? If her bondmate had been the mother of the two, that might circumvent the sterility issue. And is it possible that if an Ardat-Yakshi was simply not one actively trying to mindmeld, that the death of the bondmate thing could be avoided as well?

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

D.Kain wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Yeah, Shepard is a Spectre. Government sanctioned. He/she has been given the power to do what ever he/she wants. However, it is within reason. Take Saren for example. He was allowed to do whatever he wants. He attacked Eden Prime and his Spectre status was stripped.

Anyway, Morinth has not been given permission by any form of government.

Morinth is within reason. She helped me to stop the collectors, which is saving a lot more lives than she took away. 

I don't really care much about the law to be honest, and Morinth is under my protection. And there is no person in the galaxy that knows about where/who Morinth is, that could turn her in. 

The only reason she "helped" is because you saved her life. Which was kinda stupid considering when you first met she was trying to kill you. Plus, you didn't need her or anything. She was hardly instrumental in the Collectors defeat.

And when you say you don't care about the law, is that you, or your Shepard. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll care about the law if someone sex kills your family and you want some justice. You'll beg for the law to help you. I'm just saying.

And just because she can get away with the crime, doesn't make it any better.

[Inutaisho7996]

Just because their partner dies during coitus, it doesn't mean that Ardat-Yakshi have to be sterile. If the AY is impregnated before her partner's death, she could still reproduce. Sort of like sexual cannibalism without the cannibalism; just death.

[D.Kain]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Sorry of this has been mentioned before in the "Samara is an Ardat-Yakshi" arguement, but when it comes to Ardat-Yakshi being sterile and killing their mates, does this hold true when AY couple with other asari as the 'father' of the mated pair? Could this lead to Samara's family situation? If her bondmate had been the mother of the two, that might circumvent the sterility issue. And is it possible that if an Ardat-Yakshi was simply not one actively trying to mindmeld, that the death of the bondmate thing could be avoided as well?

A father AY is an interesting theory. 

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Sorry of this has been mentioned before in the "Samara is an Ardat-Yakshi" arguement, but when it comes to Ardat-Yakshi being sterile and killing their mates, does this hold true when AY couple with other asari as the 'father' of the mated pair? Could this lead to Samara's family situation? If her bondmate had been the mother of the two, that might circumvent the sterility issue. And is it possible that if an Ardat-Yakshi was simply not one actively trying to mindmeld, that the death of the bondmate thing could be avoided as well?

Sex is sex.

[Xeranx]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

Just because their partner dies during coitus, it doesn't mean that Ardat-Yakshi have to be sterile. If the AY is impregnated before her partner's death, she could still reproduce. Sort of like sexual cannibalism without the cannibalism; just death.

Praying Mantis ritual.

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

D.Kain wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Samara has the entire Asari race giving her permission to do what she does. And the only reason she kills is to protect the innocent. Much more noble than, say, killing to become stronger.

Morinth was innocent before she started killing, but she was treated as if she already was a murderer, not fair of asari society.

Edit: Actually a very strong point there: It is ok to kill, as long as the majority approves it! You know that majorities oppinion in not the criteria or right?

Not the majority, the government. Which is part of that majority.

She wasn't treated as a murderer, she was treated as someone who killed people accidently. When she left she was treated as a murderer.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

The only reason she "helped" is because you saved her life. Which was kinda stupid considering when you first met she was trying to kill you. Plus, you didn't need her or anything. She was hardly instrumental in the Collectors defeat.

And when you say you don't care about the law, is that you, or your Shepard. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll care about the law if someone sex kills your family and you want some justice. You'll beg for the law to help you. I'm just saying.

And just because she can get away with the crime, doesn't make it any better.

I like her reason to help me. And she was very helpful, she was the person that held the biotic buble in the last mission, and was completely succesful. Not to mention that her dominate abilitie worked superb on possesed collectors. 

If somebody sex-kills my family, the law won't be the first thing that I would think about. I would try to sort it out myself, and perhaps understand the reason, and not resort to any kind of punishments.

Modifié par D.Kain, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:46 .

[Xeranx]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

The only reason she "helped" is because you saved her life. Which was kinda stupid considering when you first met she was trying to kill you. Plus, you didn't need her or anything. She was hardly instrumental in the Collectors defeat.

And when you say you don't care about the law, is that you, or your Shepard. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll care about the law if someone sex kills your family and you want some justice. You'll beg for the law to help you. I'm just saying.

And just because she can get away with the crime, doesn't make it any better.

That's speculation.  No biotic flare up.  She asks you to recite stuff for her.  There's no indication that she would kill you then and there.  Especially when moments before you learn that she's into dueling.  

Dark and dangerous places + picking up dueling != taking people that don't fight back.  

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Not the majority, the government. Which is part of that majority.

She wasn't treated as a murderer, she was treated as someone who killed people accidently. When she left she was treated as a murderer.

I myself believe that goverment is the minority that rules the majority, but that is a whole different subject.

I believe that Morinth had the right to not live in seclusion. She would have to live sterile, but she had a right. The fact that she was hunted nulifies the reasons for her to be sterile.

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

Xeranx wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Samara has the entire Asari race giving her permission to do what she does. And the only reason she kills is to protect the innocent. Much more noble than, say, killing to become stronger.

Samara kills every single non-child in an Asari village...each one, by her own admission in saying that they were controlled by Morinth, an innocent. I'm sorry, I can't and won't buy that.

Edit: Also the Asari accept it reluctantly.  Anaya's statements imply that it's a fringe type of deal.

Those people in the village were attacking her. Self defense. I'd have put them down too. It's not like she was happy about it either.

[D.Kain]

Xeranx wrote...

That's speculation.  No biotic flare up.  She asks you to recite stuff for her.  There's no indication that she would kill you then and there.  Especially when moments before you learn that she's into dueling.  

Dark and dangerous places + picking up dueling != taking people that don't fight back.  

Don't forget chess and the suiter who wanted to get something from her.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Those people in the village were attacking her. Self defense. I'd have put them down too. It's not like she was happy about it either.

It's not self-defense. She was on offence to kill Morinth, then Morinth sent those villagers at her in self-defense.
Is it self-defense to kill people that are shooting at you if YOU are invading a country?

Modifié par D.Kain, 31 octobre 2011 - 06:49 .

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

D.Kain wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

The only reason she "helped" is because you saved her life. Which was kinda stupid considering when you first met she was trying to kill you. Plus, you didn't need her or anything. She was hardly instrumental in the Collectors defeat.

And when you say you don't care about the law, is that you, or your Shepard. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll care about the law if someone sex kills your family and you want some justice. You'll beg for the law to help you. I'm just saying.

And just because she can get away with the crime, doesn't make it any better.

I like her reason to help me. And she was very helpful, she was the person that held the biotic buble in the last mission, and was completely succesful. Not to mention that her dominate abilitie worked superb on possesed collectors. 

If somebody sex-kills my family, the law won't be the first thing that I would think about. I would try to sort it out myself, and perhaps understand the reason, and not resort to any kind of punishments.

Well, regardless of what you would do, you aren't allowed to take the law into your own hands.

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

Xeranx wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

The only reason she "helped" is because you saved her life. Which was kinda stupid considering when you first met she was trying to kill you. Plus, you didn't need her or anything. She was hardly instrumental in the Collectors defeat.

And when you say you don't care about the law, is that you, or your Shepard. Because I'm pretty sure that you'll care about the law if someone sex kills your family and you want some justice. You'll beg for the law to help you. I'm just saying.

And just because she can get away with the crime, doesn't make it any better.

That's speculation.  No biotic flare up.  She asks you to recite stuff for her.  There's no indication that she would kill you then and there.  Especially when moments before you learn that she's into dueling.  

Dark and dangerous places + picking up dueling != taking people that don't fight back.  

She was about to try getting in your pants. You're a moron if you think that wasn't why she invited you back to her apartment.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Well, regardless of what you would do, you aren't allowed to take the law into your own hands.

Yes, well I have no choice in the matter, because there is no way to live out of law. I can still do things my way without involving the law.

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

D.Kain wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

Not the majority, the government. Which is part of that majority.

She wasn't treated as a murderer, she was treated as someone who killed people accidently. When she left she was treated as a murderer.

I myself believe that goverment is the minority that rules the majority, but that is a whole different subject.

I believe that Morinth had the right to not live in seclusion. She would have to live sterile, but she had a right. The fact that she was hunted nulifies the reasons for her to be sterile.

This I agree with. However, she didn't have that choice.

[D.Kain]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

This I agree with. However, she didn't have that choice.

Yes, and because she wasn't given that choice I am at HER side and not Samara's.