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[IanPolaris]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Where are people getting "humans" from? Why are we so dangerous to the universe exactly?

What other species has successfully built alliances and done the "impossible" (such as beating not one but two Reapers) as consistantly as humanity?  What other species has the military prowess of the Turians but is able to use intel and diplomacy nearly as well as the Asari and Salarians with a drive matched only by the Salarians and a basic adaptability only matched by the Krogan.  What other species has been able to think outside the box quickly enough to matter...and what other species has been willing to risk as much (often stupidly) in pursuit of this.

Liara in ME1 has it quite right.  Looking at it from the outside, Humanity is an incredibly dangerous, and insidious species....and incedibly intimidating.

-Polaris

[Air36723]

Hanar...why? Cause they're big stupid jellyfish! also they are religious fanatics about the enkindlers, sure they're peaceful NOW......who's to say they wont go all blasto on us later for failing to heed the words of the enkindlers.
This one has forgotten if its heat sink is over capacity, this one wonders if the criminal scum considers itself fortunate.

[IanPolaris]

Also consider that other species by and large recognize their own limitations and are defined by them (even the Salarians). Humans emphatically are not. In 26 years, humanity has gone from essentially a pre-spaceflight species to a position of galatic importance and power.....with even greater social influence. For a society that has existed for thousands of years, that's incredibly threatening.

-Polaris

[General User]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Where are people getting "humans" from? Why are we so dangerous to the universe exactly?

Humans are special.

There may only be twelve billion of us, and 99% of the species might be occupied by the Reapers at the start of the war, but we're a graver threat to the galaxy than anyone else!

I mean, just imagine if humans got in power. They might commit genocide, or have enforcers who can murder any alien or dissident and get away with it!

Humans would deploy bioweapons against unsuspecting civilian populations, or threaten to bombard refugee camps from orbit!  Before you know it, humans will set up a political, economic, and social system based entirely on race! 

Can you imagine?!?  

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:01 .

[RamirezWolfen]

If the krogans do what they did before, and that's if the genophage is cured, I'd say they are the potential biggest threat.

Right now, I would say humanity.

[Zakatak757]

IanPolaris wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Where are people getting "humans" from? Why are we so dangerous to the universe exactly?

What other species has successfully built alliances and done the "impossible" (such as beating not one but two Reapers) as consistantly as humanity?  What other species has the military prowess of the Turians but is able to use intel and diplomacy nearly as well as the Asari and Salarians with a drive matched only by the Salarians and a basic adaptability only matched by the Krogan.  What other species has been able to think outside the box quickly enough to matter...and what other species has been willing to risk as much (often stupidly) in pursuit of this.

Liara in ME1 has it quite right.  Looking at it from the outside, Humanity is an incredibly dangerous, and insidious species....and incedibly intimidating.

-Polaris

You make fair points, but I do believe the Council restricts technological development to a point (and we ARE allied with them), and I do believe the Turians could mop the floor with our species in the event that we become hostile.

What conversation do you speak of? I haven't really talked to Liara much.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:08 .

[Saaziel]

Zakatak757 wrote...

You make fair points, but I do believe the Council restricts technological development to a point (and we ARE allied with them), and I do believe the Turians could mop the floor with our species in the event that we become hostile.

What conversation do you speak of? I haven't really talked to Liara much.

Actually we defeated the Turian in our original encounter with them. Its a conversation in Me1 , Shep asks why would other species consider humanity a threat and , don't quote me on this but , she says something to the fact that other species see humanity as a threat considering all that we accomplished in the 30 years or so on the galactic seen.

To add to Ian's point "Humans are generally seen to be very intelligent, abnormally ambitious, highly adaptable, individualistic and thus, unpredictable. They have a powerful desire to advance and improve themselves, and do so with such assertion that the normally staid Council races have been taken aback by their restlessness and relentless curiosity. Their economy, while much smaller than any of the Council races, is very powerful relative to their size, and their military prowess is amongst the greatest in the galaxy, despite the fact that only 3% of humans volunteer for the Alliance military, a far smaller proportion than other races. Their ability to defeat the turians in the First Contact War demonstrated graphically the potential of human military strength and is therefore a subject of concern for many races, who fear the consequences of another human-turian conflict. "

Problem is that most believe that Humans are written as Jack-of-all trade when in fact we're better at everything ... Cause humans are speehcial and all .

If i were any other specie , I'd Batarian the Charon relay 2 seconds after the Reaper threat is dealt with.

Edit: I should point out that , like one other said in the thread ; Just because something can be a potential threat , doesn't mean that it will actually become one. Humanity's "threat" could vary a great deal depending on the Shep we're talking about... Because even amongst the speehcial human , Shep iz r xtra Speehcial!

Modifié par Saaziel, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .

[RamirezWolfen]

Saaziel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

You make fair points, but I do believe the Council restricts technological development to a point (and we ARE allied with them), and I do believe the Turians could mop the floor with our species in the event that we become hostile.

What conversation do you speak of? I haven't really talked to Liara much.

Actually we defeated the Turian in our original encounter with them. Its a conversation in Me1 , Shep asks why would other species consider humanity a threat and , don't quote me on this but , she says something to the fact that other species see humanity as a threat considering all that we accomplished in the 30 years or so on the galactic seen.

To add to Ian's point "Humans are generally seen to be very intelligent, abnormally ambitious, highly adaptable, individualistic and thus, unpredictable. They have a powerful desire to advance and improve themselves, and do so with such assertion that the normally staid Council races have been taken aback by their restlessness and relentless curiosity. Their economy, while much smaller than any of the Council races, is very powerful relative to their size, and their military prowess is amongst the greatest in the galaxy, despite the fact that only 3% of humans volunteer for the Alliance military, a far smaller proportion than other races. Their ability to defeat the turians in the First Contact War demonstrated graphically the potential of human military strength and is therefore a subject of concern for many races, who fear the consequences of another human-turian conflict. "

Problem is that most believe that Humans are written as Jack-of-all trade when in fact we're better at everything ... Cause humans are speehcial and all .

If i were any other specie , I'd Batarian the Charon relay 2 seconds after the Reaper threat is dealt with.

If I recall correctly, humanity didn't defeat the turians. The Council stepped in and ended the conflict.

[General User]

Humans defeated both the turian patrol that started the First Contact War, and the turian military proper at the 2nd Battle of Shanxi.

While the Hierarchy was prepared to further prosecute the war, the asari and salarians intervened for their own purposes.

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:26 .

[Saaziel]

It wasn't a clear victory, the Council did stepped in and forced the Turian to pay reparations . But i'd consider it a victory barring in mind that Humanity never having engaged in warfare of this kind faced off against supposed expert in that field for 3 months.

[General User]

I can't remember the source, so anyone feel free to correct me, but I seem to recall something about how 2nd Shanxi was the first time anyone had defeated the turian military in open battle, or something along those lines.

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:34 .

[Zakatak757]

General User wrote...

Humans defeated both the turian patrol that started the First Contact War, and the turian military proper at the 2nd Battle of Shanxi.

While the Hierarchy was prepared to further prosecute the war, the asari and salarians intervened for their own purposes.

Humanity won because we were prepared for an all-out war, and thought of it as such. The Turians didn't expect what came to them.

Humans call it the First Contact War.
Turians call it the Relay 314 Incident.

Key word is the last word. The council intervened, but it is fair to say that we faired better then they did (3000 losses to 3800 losses, approx.) I know it says 684 losses or something on the Wiki, but I am certain they forgot a zero at the end. Multiple ships were destroyed.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:32 .

[onelifecrisis]

IanPolaris wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Where are people getting "humans" from? Why are we so dangerous to the universe exactly?

What other species has successfully built alliances and done the "impossible" (such as beating not one but two Reapers) as consistantly as humanity?  What other species has the military prowess of the Turians but is able to use intel and diplomacy nearly as well as the Asari and Salarians with a drive matched only by the Salarians and a basic adaptability only matched by the Krogan.  What other species has been able to think outside the box quickly enough to matter...and what other species has been willing to risk as much (often stupidly) in pursuit of this.

Liara in ME1 has it quite right.  Looking at it from the outside, Humanity is an incredibly dangerous, and insidious species....and incedibly intimidating.

-Polaris

^ This, more or less. Humans showed up, just barely able to manage space travel, and five minutes later the most powerful military force in the galaxy (Turians) got their asses kicked. To the species that live a thousand years this must have seemed like quite the entrance.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:59 .

[General User]

onelifecrisis wrote...
^ This, more or less. Humans showed up, just barely able to manage space travel, and five minutes later the most powerful military force in the galaxy (Turians) got their asses kicked. To the species that live a thousand years this must have seemed like quite the entrance.

I'm not saying I disagree, but what leads you to believe the bolded?

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[onelifecrisis]

General User wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
^ This, more or less. Humans showed up, just barely able to manage space travel, and five minutes later the most powerful military force in the galaxy (Turians) got their asses kicked. To the species that live a thousand years this must have seemed like quite the entrance.

I don't disagree, but what leads you to beleive the bolded?

I thought humans made contact just after finding the prothean tech that allowed them to figure out mass effect? Sure they had space flight before that... in the same way that people with canoes might, strictly speaking, be considered sea-faring.

[onelifecrisis]

St. Pius V wrote...

Humans - but why not? We're all humans and we certainly deserve to be a threat.

Sarcasm detected! And I agree, it's kinda ridiculous that we're just that damn awesome but whatever.

[Zakatak757]

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
^ This, more or less. Humans showed up, just barely able to manage space travel, and five minutes later the most powerful military force in the galaxy (Turians) got their asses kicked. To the species that live a thousand years this must have seemed like quite the entrance.

I don't disagree, but what leads you to beleive the bolded?

I thought humans made contact just after finding the prothean tech that allowed them to figure out mass effect? Sure they had space flight before that... in the same way that people with canoes might, strictly speaking, be considered sea-faring.

Anderson said it himself. The Prothean cache boosted our technology by 200 years. In terms of our technology development, consider our entrance to the galaxy to be 2357.

[onelifecrisis]

Zakatak757 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
^ This, more or less. Humans showed up, just barely able to manage space travel, and five minutes later the most powerful military force in the galaxy (Turians) got their asses kicked. To the species that live a thousand years this must have seemed like quite the entrance.

I don't disagree, but what leads you to beleive the bolded?

I thought humans made contact just after finding the prothean tech that allowed them to figure out mass effect? Sure they had space flight before that... in the same way that people with canoes might, strictly speaking, be considered sea-faring.

Anderson said it himself. The Prothean cache boosted our technology by 200 years. In terms of our technology development, consider our entrance to the galaxy to be 2357.

Yes, 200 years relative to my metaphorical canoes.

[General User]

9 years from finding the prothean cache to the First Contact War.

Now given that we did manage to more than hold our own against the turians, I'm inclined to attribute to humanity more a lack of experience, but a rough parity to the rest of the galaxy in terms of overall tech base at the time of first contact.

[onelifecrisis]

General User wrote...

9 years from finding the prothean cache to the First Contact War.

Now given that we did manage to more than hold our own against the turians, I'm inclined to attribute to humanity more a lack of experience, but a rough parity to the rest of the galaxy in terms of overall tech base at the time of first contact.

Yes, exactly. We went from canoes to dreadnaughts (so to speak) in just 9 years. Quite the entrance, no?

Edit: Oh wait, sorry, I think I grabbed the wrong end of the stick. So the First Contact War happened immediately after making first contact? There was no gap, and both sides pretty much just opened fire on sight? I've not read up on this stuff.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[Zakatak757]

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

9 years from finding the prothean cache to the First Contact War.

Now given that we did manage to more than hold our own against the turians, I'm inclined to attribute to humanity more a lack of experience, but a rough parity to the rest of the galaxy in terms of overall tech base at the time of first contact.

Yes, exactly. We went from canoes to dreadnaughts (so to speak) in just 9 years. Quite the entrance, no?

And then when the Council said "stop making Dreadnoughts plz Turians need 5x more then you", we just went ahead and built the spaceship version of these.



Fighters can use Thanix cannons. Cerberus has Thanix technology and now the Alliance has the ship that uses it. We have massive ships that hold swarms of fighter that aren't limited by Treaty of Farixen. wtfpwn?

[General User]

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

9 years from finding the prothean cache to the First Contact War.

Now
given that we did manage to more than hold our own against the turians,
I'm inclined to attribute to humanity more a lack of experience, but a rough parity to the rest of the galaxy in terms of overall tech base at the time of first contact.

Yes, exactly. We went from canoes to dreadnaughts (so to speak) in just 9 years. Quite the entrance, no?

Edit:
Oh wait, sorry, I think I grabbed the wrong end of the stick. So the First Contact War happened immediately after making first contact? There was no gap, and both sides pretty much just opened fire on sight? I've not read up on this stuff.

That's aboot right. Humanity's first experience with an alien race was the turians launching an unprovoked, genocidal, campaign of conquest against us.

And people wonder how we get extremists like Cerberus.

Modifié par General User, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:23 .

[onelifecrisis]

General User wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

General User wrote...

9 years from finding the prothean cache to the First Contact War.

Now
given that we did manage to more than hold our own against the turians,
I'm inclined to attribute to humanity more a lack of experience, but a rough parity to the rest of the galaxy in terms of overall tech base at the time of first contact.

Yes, exactly. We went from canoes to dreadnaughts (so to speak) in just 9 years. Quite the entrance, no?

Edit:
Oh wait, sorry, I think I grabbed the wrong end of the stick. So the First Contact War happened immediately after making first contact? There was no gap, and both sides pretty much just opened fire on sight? I've not read up on this stuff.

That's aboot right. Humanity's first experience with an alien race was the turians launching an unprovoked, genocidal, campaign of conquest against us.

And people wonder how we get extremists like Cerberus.

Ok, then I see why you corrected me.

@Zakatak
wtfpwn indeed.