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[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Edit; Make me wonder if Miranda could foster a child with an Asari. And how many children can Asari bare in a life time.

Of-course she could... but it wouldn't be her child. Children born from asari/alien "unions" are 100% asari. In essence, if an asari tries to make you claim parenthood you should tell her to bugger off because it isn't your kid.

Too true....

And there in is the problem illustrated....A species becoming involved with an Asari does not add to their own species numbers, they only provide that Asari a DNA imprint to randomize the Asari's Asari offspring DNA code.

Consider if Feron and Liara were to partner up....Feron is of a dying species, only thousands survivng their planet and now combating Kepral Syndrome....Feron is a healthy, viable young male desperately needed to play his own role in boosting Drell numbers....If he and Liara hook up, he is another removed from the equasion...all he and Liara can create are more Asari, they can not produce Drell together.

[Saaziel]

Jog0907 wrote...

saaziel you got to count than miranda was an expensive experiment, only one and later two of many attempts that went wrong and thats counting the large amount of funds the project had (her father being a millionaire), even in mass effect cloning is really expensive and bound to give problems

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

I can't say i remember anything on how many attempts (To create Miranda)  were made, If you have a reference (Link , quote , whatever) , i'd appreciate it. In any event her father wanted perfection; With a moderate standard in mind we might lower the cost & up the rate of success either way.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

Modifié par Saaziel, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Golden Owl]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

There is a difference between our current understanding in cloning and what can be induced in the Mass effect universe since this is set almost 200 years in the future.

Miranda Lawson # her sister are the perfect (Pun intended) example of things done right. Cerberus operative , if rumours hold true, would also be examples of successful human cloning. I suppose its really up to the writers , but for my say ; if you can resurrect the dead , you can clone the living.

Miranda is also sterile (major drawback) and clearly upset at the news....I would also personally consider Shep to be genetically weaker in his resurrected state, than he originally was.

How is Shepard "genetically weaker"?  In fact, that the heck does that even mean?  Shepard's DNA hasn't been altered in any way that we know of.  If it had, that would have run contrary to the entire point of the Lazarus project, which was to bring back Shepard *as she was*.

As I mentioned...is personal opinion...How much of Shep is now synthetic, how much is actually Shep?...Plus what is still organic in Shep was highly degraded on bodily retrieval, that which has lost health never fully regains the optimal level again...Sheps organic structure can't be of the same quality it had been.

[Golden Owl]

Saaziel wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

saaziel you got to count than miranda was an expensive experiment, only one and later two of many attempts that went wrong and thats counting the large amount of funds the project had (her father being a millionaire), even in mass effect cloning is really expensive and bound to give problems

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

I can't say i remember anything on how many attempts (To create Miranda)  were made, If you have a reference (Link , quote , whatever) , i'd appreciate it. In any event her father wanted perfection; With a moderate standard in mind we might lower the cost & up the rate of success either way.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

Why?....Edit...Actually scratch that, this thread isn't about personal real life opinions on cloning, etc...My apologies.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:59 .

[Saaziel]

Shep was perfected; The flesh is weak. Iron Within, Iron Without!

[Saaziel]

Golden Owl wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

saaziel you got to count than miranda was an expensive experiment, only one and later two of many attempts that went wrong and thats counting the large amount of funds the project had (her father being a millionaire), even in mass effect cloning is really expensive and bound to give problems

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

I can't say i remember anything on how many attempts (To create Miranda) were made, If you have a reference (Link , quote , whatever) , i'd appreciate it. In any event her father wanted perfection; With a moderate standard in mind we might lower the cost & up the rate of success either way.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

Why?

I'm afraid it would take this thread way off topic... Much farther than i've already taken it. If you insist i can always PM you on the subject. Though perhaps not tonight .

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
Too true....

And there in is the problem illustrated....A species becoming involved with an Asari does not add to their own species numbers, they only provide that Asari a DNA imprint to randomize the Asari's Asari offspring DNA code.

Consider if Feron and Liara were to partner up....Feron is of a dying species, only thousands survivng their planet and now combating Kepral Syndrome....Feron is a healthy, viable young male desperately needed to play his own role in boosting Drell numbers....If he and Liara hook up, he is another removed from the equasion...all he and Liara can create are more Asari, they can not produce Drell together.

I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

Been aware for quite some time....just spending time thinking about it, processing, etc...first. And wondering why it hasn't been mentioned earlier.

[SandTrout]

Saaziel wrote...

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

Simply just because something is 'public policy' doesn't mean that it is either cheaper or not undertaken by individuals. If it is a cultureal change resulting in profitable industrial-scale facilities, then yes, costs will probably go down, but if the demand increases, then costs will increase. It's difficult to say where it will all level out if such a cultural change were to take place in a free-market scenario. In a government controled scenario, it is equally diffiucult because there would be no competition to bring down prices, and even if the 'bill' isn't that high, the price is still payed through taxes to the govt in order to fund the program.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

Cloning is completely unnecessary because we still have a growing, diverse population which does not require industrially produced individuals. Genetic engineering is allready a standard practice in ME.

Edit: On Topic, the Asari are the greatest long-term threat for reasons previously mentioned, while the Geth represent the greatest imediate, military threat.

Modifié par SandTrout, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:03 .

[Jog0907]

Saaziel wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

saaziel you got to count than miranda was an expensive experiment, only one and later two of many attempts that went wrong and thats counting the large amount of funds the project had (her father being a millionaire), even in mass effect cloning is really expensive and bound to give problems

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

I can't say i remember anything on how many attempts (To create Miranda)  were made, If you have a reference (Link , quote , whatever) , i'd appreciate it. In any event her father wanted perfection; With a moderate standard in mind we might lower the cost & up the rate of success either way.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

about the number of attempts before miranda I dont have it (she implies she wasnt the first one, others were either unsucessful or killed for not being good enough) in that post I didnt count that miranda was more than a clone she was "modded" so cost may be related to that.
Mass cloning may be indeed much cheaper but it (and extensive gen modding) are generally frowned upon so maybe the focus shouldnt be so much on cost but on it making humanity a threat to everything even before the benefits of the processes can be reaped, so basically risking galactical war before cloning can give humanity an edge

[Golden Owl]

Saaziel wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Saaziel wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

saaziel you got to count than miranda was an expensive experiment, only one and later two of many attempts that went wrong and thats counting the large amount of funds the project had (her father being a millionaire), even in mass effect cloning is really expensive and bound to give problems

If it became a public policy it wouldn't cost as much, or eventually the cost would go down. In any case you shouldn't see it from a private point of view. This is something the human specie as a whole would undertake.

I can't say i remember anything on how many attempts (To create Miranda) were made, If you have a reference (Link , quote , whatever) , i'd appreciate it. In any event her father wanted perfection; With a moderate standard in mind we might lower the cost & up the rate of success either way.

One way or an other Cloning , Genetic modifications & Engineering is something Humanity must do.

Why?

I'm afraid it would take this thread way off topic... Much farther than i've already taken it. If you insist i can always PM you on the subject. Though perhaps not tonight .

As I edited previous post...a topic best not discussed on personal levels...

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Been aware for quite some time....just spending time thinking about it, processing, etc...first. And wondering why it hasn't been mentioned earlier.

I've been talking about this since ME!

I didn't see those posts...sorry......would have backed you up...

[Rokku-X]

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

[Golden Owl]

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

I guess you gotta not be Asari stricken to see it...

"Embrace Eternity"...."Embrace Extinction"....

[Rokku-X]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Rokku-X wrote...

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

It's all right there in the codex, though some of it is in "double speak". Namely, "The asari prefer to keep the galaxy balanced" or some such. Look up what the word "balance" means and you can see how the asari use it to maintain a position of privilege and influence.

Yeah, no doubts. It's just one of those things that I think a lot of people prefer to look the other way about, so to speak.

[Sgt Stryker]

Golden Owl wrote...

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

I guess you gotta not be Asari stricken to see it...

"Embrace Eternity"...."Embrace Extinction"....

Sounds like a great political slogan.

[SandTrout]

Golden Owl wrote...
I guess you gotta not be Asari stricken to see it...

"Embrace Eternity"...."Embrace Extinction"....

That's actually an interesting insight. The only thing that is truely 'eternal' would be extinction. Even the stars will eventually die out, after all.

[Golden Owl]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

I guess you gotta not be Asari stricken to see it...

"Embrace Eternity"...."Embrace Extinction"....

Sounds like a great political slogan.

My renShep wants that tattoo'ed where everyone can see it...

[Golden Owl]

SandTrout wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...
I guess you gotta not be Asari stricken to see it...

"Embrace Eternity"...."Embrace Extinction"....

That's actually an interesting insight. The only thing that is truely 'eternal' would be extinction. Even the stars will eventually die out, after all.

True...but that leads to whole new topics...fascinating topics 'Yes'...but not ME specific.

[Seboist]

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

It was obvious to me too but the Asari's subversion and eugenics doctrine goes over the heads of most.

[thatguy212]

The greatest threat?

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

It was obvious to me too but the Asari's subversion and eugenics doctrine goes over the heads of most.

Is little Paragon me surrounded by Renegades on this issue......I'm not....Renegade am I?......

[Seboist]

Golden Owl wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Rokku-X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...


I'm pleased that somebody else finally picked up on this.

It always seemed pretty obvious, I think most people disregard it because the games don't really paint the Asari in a light that makes people really contemplate that kind of eventuality.

It was obvious to me too but the Asari's subversion and eugenics doctrine goes over the heads of most.

Is little Paragon me surrounded by Renegades on this issue......I'm not....Renegade am I?......

You're a renegade that needs to come out of the closet!