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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Since this is a Miri Thread, this thread deserves a picture of the lovely Feme Fatale:wub:!


:wub:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[onelifecrisis]

Mmm, whatever. I still wonder how many people would defend her "character" if she looked like this.



Edit:
That reminds me of a Kelly line.

"I don't think she understands her own motivations."

I always thought that was an odd line, given that it describes 99% of the human race.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Ravensword]

Yep. Never fails. Someone posts a picture of their favorite character and now it's the beginning of the end of the thread.

[onelifecrisis]

Ravensword wrote...

Yep. Never fails. Someone posts a picture of their favorite character and now it's the beginning of the end of the thread.

Then they should take that sh!t to the character support threads, dontcha think?

[alex90c]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Since this is a Miri Thread, this thread deserves a picture of the lovely Feme Fatale:wub:!


:wub:

here's another!

[Xeranx]

What is ironic is that I was looking forward to interacting with Miranda in ME2 (of course due to the fact that she's modeled by her VA) and ended up pretty much staying away from her at times. Her loyalty mission is really the only thing that makes me want to talk to her. And that goes for Thane and Jacob too though Jacob's mission is entirely unnecessary.

In either case, Miranda, Thane, and Jacob are characters I usually tend to avoid during the main course of the game. In Thane's case it's not because I find him uninteresting, but because his dialogue doesn't match up after I manage to get him. I always get his pre-loyalty mission dialogue concerning his photographic memory after the loyalty mission is completed. So I figure I'll leave him until Kelly tells me he wants to talk.

Modifié par Xeranx, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[SNascimento]

onelifecrisis
"I don't think she understands her own motivations."

I always thought that was an odd line, given that it describes 99% of the human race.

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I wouldn't say 99% of the human race, but this is true to most modern people. 
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Anyway, Miranda differs from those people because she wasn't bourne, she was made. She has no natural purpose and the one that her father made for her, she refused. And she is trying to find her purpose and motivations. It's a very interesting situation.
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Btw, answering the question of your origal post Of course how she looks influences how much I like the character... this is true for real life to, I suppose. In a nutshell, I like Miranda for three reason: her looks, her resourcefulness and her inner conflicts.

[Ravensword]

alex90c wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Since this is a Miri Thread, this thread deserves a picture of the lovely Feme Fatale:wub:!


:wub:

here's another!

Well played. Kind of looks like Robert Carlyle.

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:26 .

[onelifecrisis]

SNascimento wrote...

onelifecrisis
"I don't think she understands her own motivations."

I always thought that was an odd line, given that it describes 99% of the human race.

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I wouldn't say 99% of the human race, but this is true to most modern people.

 

Honestly, I would say 100% (read about left/right brain function and sense of identity) but I put 99% because the mathematician in me hates the exclusion of improbabilities.

SNascimento wrote...

[Miranda] has no natural purpose and the one that her father made for her, she refused. And she is trying to find her purpose and motivations. It's a very interesting situation.

I don't see how that makes her any different from the majority of people.

SNascimento wrote...

Btw, answering the question of your origal post Of course how she looks influences how much I like the character... this is true for real life to, I suppose. In a nutshell, I like Miranda for three reason: her looks, her resourcefulness and her inner conflicts.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be swayed by looks. It'd just be nice if they didn't feed themselves (and everyone else) BS about liking her for her personality.

[Ravensword]

Robert Carlyle for the voice and face of Miranda in ME3! I demand it.

[SNascimento]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Honestly, I would say 100% (read about left/right brain function and sense of identity) but I put 99% because the mathematician in me hates the exclusion of improbabilities.

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I don't know... I think a lot of people don't worry about this. Miserable people, ignorant (and here I say with no offense) people and so on. 

I don't see how that makes her any different from the majority of people.

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Because of everything that I said? Do you think being born naturally and being made like a machine doesn't have any influence in this discussion? Cos I think it makes a huge difference. 
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Not to mention we have a natural purpose, giving birth to another human being. And she can't do it... although this issue is not unique to her, but it does add up to other conditions. Not to mention she knows she was made to eventually replace her father, something that she won't do anymore... this too, may not be unique, but also makes matter more complicated.
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So, I listed three things here... you can argue that we may find two of them in normal people, but not the first one.

I'm not saying people shouldn't be swayed by looks. It'd just be nice if they didn't feed themselves (and everyone else) BS about liking her for her personality.

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Can't do much about it. Just say why I like her. 

[alex90c]

Ravensword wrote...

Robert Carlyle for the voice and face of Miranda in ME3! I demand it.

Lets not forget "squadmate and LI".

[Ravensword]

alex90c wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Robert Carlyle for the voice and face of Miranda in ME3! I demand it.

Lets not forget "squadmate and LI".

That goes w/o saying.

[flemm]

capn233 wrote...
Honestly it is somewhat amusing and ironic that people who dislike Mirianda comment that her fans are "distracted by her looks" when in many cases they have in fact formed a superficial judgement of her character based on her looks.  Not all that different from real life I suppose.

This. Fans of the character like her looks, of course, for the most part. Though you will find many fans who do not like certain aspects of her look in ME2, notably the catsuit.

But it's posters who don't like the character who are most focused on her appearance, to the point of being unable or unwilling to consider other compelling aspects of the character (of which there are many).

All of the LI characters are partly popular due to sex appeal, of course, including Miranda. That pretty much goes without saying. If you made Liara ugly, or if Tali didn't have 'dem hips, or if no one could imagine she is very beautiful under the mask, these characters wouldn't be as popular either. This is stating the obvious.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Xeranx]

onelifecrisis wrote...

I'm not saying people shouldn't be swayed by looks. It'd just be nice if they didn't feed themselves (and everyone else) BS about liking her for her personality.

I'm half and half on how unfair I find this comment to be.  Different strokes for different folks and all.  Some personalities just gravitate to others.

[MisterJB]

onelifecrisis wrote...
I'm not saying people shouldn't be swayed by looks. It'd just be nice if they didn't feed themselves (and everyone else) BS about liking her for her personality.

Right, all of Miranda fans only like her because of her looks. Never heard that one before.

[Ravensword]

flemm wrote...

capn233 wrote...
Honestly it is somewhat amusing and ironic that people who dislike Mirianda comment that her fans are "distracted by her looks" when in many cases they have in fact formed a superficial judgement of her character based on her looks.  Not all that different from real life I suppose.

This. Fans of the character like her looks, of course, for the most part. Though you will find many fans who do not like certain aspects of her look in ME2, notably the catsuit.

But it's posters who don't like the character who are most focused on her appearance, to the point of being unable or unwilling to consider other compelling aspects of the character (of which there are many).

All of the LI characters are partly popular due to sex appeal, of course, including Miranda. That pretty much goes without saying. If you made Liara ugly, or if Tali didn't have 'dem hips, or if no one could imagine she is very beautiful under the mask, these characters wouldn't be as popular either.

Ah, but that will all change once Miranda is voiced and has her face modeled after Robert Carlyle. Everone on the BSN will become a Mirimancer then. I know I will.

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:01 .

[Arppis]

Golden Owl wrote...

I beg BW to please dress Miranda in ME3...body paint outfits just don't appeal.

Bodysuits are the best! Dunno what people complain about!

I wish they'd fix her face. She looks like Michael Jackson! MAKE HER LOOK LESS LIKE JACKSON PLEASE!

Modifié par Arppis, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:01 .

[flemm]

Ravensword wrote..]
Ah, but that will all change once Miranda is voiced and has her face modeled after Robert Carlyle. Everone on the BSN will become a Mirimancer.

I like Miranda for her personality now, but with Robert Carlyle as the face and voice model, it will be pure lust, nothing more...

[onelifecrisis]

flemm wrote...

capn233 wrote...
Honestly it is somewhat amusing and ironic that people who dislike Mirianda comment that her fans are "distracted by her looks" when in many cases they have in fact formed a superficial judgement of her character based on her looks.  Not all that different from real life I suppose.

This. Fans of the character like her looks, of course, for the most part. Though you will find many fans who do not like certain aspects of her look in ME2, notably the catsuit.

But it's posters who don't like the character who are most focused on her appearance, to the point of being unable or unwilling to consider other compelling aspects of the character (of which there are many).

All of the LI characters are partly popular due to sex appeal, of course, including Miranda. That pretty much goes without saying.

In response to the capn233 quote, and speaking only for myself: wrong. We don't know which Cerberus projects Miranda has been involved in previously, but we do know what Cerberus are and we see very clearly that she's loyal to them and has been for a long time. Even if you want to bury your head in the sand and imagine that Cerberus' "most difficult projects" (her words, IIRC) involved Miranda helping orphans or something, her response when confronted about Jack should tell you everything you need to know about her attitude regarding Cerberus' less ethical endeavours.

In response to your comment about her having "compelling" character aspects, firstly, compelling != likeable. And secondly, what aspects? So she's insecure and loves her sister. Whoop de do. As I said earlier, even Hitler was a human and had a heart. That doesn't mean I'd love him.

[spirosz]

This is still going on? Miranda is a character with depth and uses her looks as an advantage, as do other characters, Jack for instance. They both use it for different uses and aren't probably going to shy away from them anytime soon. Sure, you can complain about the combat uses, but let's stray away from that. If you don't like her, that's fine, a lot of people do. I'm sure you can still see past her looks and see that she has character development, but you may not like it, that isn't your fault, you're just more interested in other people.

[jtav]

Have you ever considered some people like her because of her questionable ethics? And I don't even find Strahovski attractive.

[Arppis]

spiros9110 wrote...

This is still going on? Miranda is a character with depth and uses her looks as an advantage, as do other characters, Jack for instance. They both use it for different uses and aren't probably going to shy away from them anytime soon. Sure, you can complain about the combat uses, but let's stray away from that. If you don't like her, that's fine, a lot of people do. I'm sure you can still see past her looks and see that she has character development, but you may not like it, that isn't your fault, you're just more interested in other people.

This and is character right away crap if they want to be sexualy appealing?

[Ravensword]

flemm wrote...

Ravensword wrote..]
Ah, but that will all change once Miranda is voiced and has her face modeled after Robert Carlyle. Everone on the BSN will become a Mirimancer.

I like Miranda for her personality now, but with Robert Carlyle as the face and voice model, it will be pure lust, nothing more...

Um, no. Pure unadulterated win is what it will be!

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:10 .

[flemm]

onelifecrisis wrote...
In response to your comment about her having "compelling" character aspects, firstly, compelling != likeable.

I purposely chose the term "compelling" because that type of quality can be intensely liked or disliked. I assure you, for example, that many people like the character for her involvement with Cerberus and enjoy debating the moral, ethical and personal ramifications of that. Others no doubt strongly dislike her involvement with that organisation.

There's a thread in the character subforum that contains a lot of discussion of this kind. It's not hard to find.

Modifié par flemm, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:13 .