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[onelifecrisis]

jreezy wrote...

I'll even go as far as to say that type of thinking is offensive.

Now that could potentially drag things waaaay off-topic... but who the hell cares.

So, do you think people should be allowed to walk the streets naked?

[Cpt-Brit]

I'm new to posting but been reading here a while... I can vaguely understand people whining about the many completely obvious ass shots that are involved in her chats with Shepard but the "She fights in skin tight leathers/skin paint... How is that possible!" or "That's just completely not practical to fight in leathers/skin paint" or "Damn that bi*ch a ho!" are really quite annoying... 

1. I doubt many people here have actually dared try skin tight leather clothes (Me included but I'm not bi*ching)

2. That people who wear skin tight clothes are obviously who*es/bi*ches/skanks

Plus it doesn't really matter Bioware have already broke physics with the "Mass Effect" why not break the rule that women can run around shooting bad guys and not chafe to fu*k and seeing how most of peoples protection comes from "shields" in ME why not look good while saving the Galaxy lol rather than wearing loads of armour and been just as restricted as tight leathers...

Modifié par Cpt-Brit, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .

[onelifecrisis]

Well, bottom line, there's no accounting for taste. Criteria for suspension of disbelief varies from person to person. Some people, including me, think that catsuits are rather trashy and ruin the suspension of disbelief, at least in the context of this game. The famous ass-shot of Miranda (you know the one) certainly was one of several moments where I was yanked out of my immersion with the thought oh yeah, I almost forgot that I'm playing a videogame made primarily for adolescent boys.

[Ieldra]

After following this threat through all the expected convolutions (it's not as if we haven't had this topic before), I'll put my 0.02€ in:

There are two main problem areas with Miranda's (and others') outfits: suspension of disbelief and style.

(1) Suspension of disbelief
...is plainly broken by high heels, cleavage and exposed skin in a vacuum. That simply has to go for ME3. There is a limit to artistic license, and Miranda, Jack and Samara are way past it in ME2. This is a general problem with ME2's style over substance approach.

(2) Style
The problem I have with Miranda's outfit is that it doesn't look classy as it should but cheap. Trashy, in fact. We're told she's a femme fatale but those usually have some style. In fact, they distinguish themselves by exactly *not* looking available, but by being sexy while retaining just the right distance to lure men to their doom. Well, apparently ME2 wasn't made for men but for adolescent boys with no appreciation whatsoever for subtlely or the distinction between allure and availability.

What I would like her to wear in ME3 is this: in combat, a light armor similar to what Benezia's asari commandos wear in ME1, with no high heels, no exposed skin below the neck and an optional helmet that becomes non-optional in space missions. Out of combat, she can wear anything as long as it is somewhat stylish, including that it doesn't look trashy or painted on the skin. Preferably without high heels as well.

Edit:
And while I'm at it, Samara's superhero outfit made me groan when I first looked at it. For slightly different reasons, but the reaction is the same: I do not want anything in ME3 to have that comic-book look.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 octobre 2011 - 12:58 .

[Iakus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

After following this threat through all the expected convolutions (it's not as if we haven't had this topic before), I'll put my 0.02€ in:

There are two main problem areas with Miranda's (and others') outfits: suspension of disbelief and style.

(1) Suspension of disbelief
...is plainly broken by high heels, cleavage and exposed skin in a vacuum. That simply has to go for ME3. There is a limit to artistic license, and Miranda, Jack and Samara are way past it in ME2. This is a general problem with ME2's style over substance approach.

(2) Style
The problem I have with Miranda's outfit is that it doesn't look classy as it should but cheap. Trashy, in fact. We're told she's a femme fatale but those usually have some style. In fact, they distinguish themselves by exactly *not* looking available, but by being sexy while retaining just the right distance to lure men to their doom. Well, apparently ME2 wasn't made for men but for adolescent boys with no appreciation whatsoever for subtlely or the distinction between allure and availability.

What I would like her to wear in ME3 is this: in combat, a light armor similar to what Benezia's asari commandos wear in ME1, with no high heels, no exposed skin below the neck and an optional helmet that becomes non-optional in space missions. Out of combat, she can wear anything as long as it is somewhat stylish, including that it doesn't look trashy or painted on the skin. Preferably without high heels as well.

Edit:
And while I'm at it, Samara's superhero outfit made me groan when I first looked at it. For slightly different reasons, but the reaction is the same: I do not want anything in ME3 to have that comic-book look.

I was going to post something but you said everything I was gonna say anyway.  Well done!

[Sgt Stryker]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

So... Shouldn't her hair also be floating while on the Heretic base, if you choose to take her there?

Yes.  The devs apparently felt they had better things to spend time on than hair physics though.  I tend to agree.

I agree as well. Of course, that also means they had better things to spend time on than realistic boob physics.

[Cpt-Brit]

Hmmm I never felt like I was pulled out of my immersion by the outfit... Yes maybe a bit of light armour wouldn't go amiss in battle but i'm not really that bothered (I never downloaded the DLC with her armour in ME2 but i've seen videos and it looks decent)

Maybe they should give you a small "Locker Room" like your equipment locker in the Captains quarters so you can change what your people look like in and out of battle then those of us who don't mind it wouldn't care and those whos immersion it ruined would beable to change it at the first oppotunity. Before anyone says yes I know there is more important thing than playing dress up with your squad mates like avoiding Death by Reaper but people who aren't bothered wouldn't need to touch it

Also about the Ar*e shots... I'm 25 i'm seen my fair share of women's ar*es clothed or not so it didn't bother me one bit, Though i can understand its not everyones cup of tea... so see above hopefully you'll beable to cover her up a bit more in ME3.

On a side note the one thing that did annoy me a touch was Samara's t*ts. Either thats the tightest outfit in the Galaxy or Implants are standard issue for Jusicars.

[Ieldra]

Cpt-Brit wrote...
Hmmm I never felt like I was pulled out of my immersion by the outfit... Yes maybe a bit of light armour wouldn't go amiss in battle but i'm not really that bothered (I never downloaded the DLC with her armour in ME2 but i've seen videos and it looks decent)

The armor is very much OK. This thread is about the catsuits. We have a choice of "trashy" or "dipped in black ink". Not that I'd mind the latter in the right circumstances, but really.....this is an epic SF drama with lots of combat.... It's all about dressing for the occasion.

Maybe they should give you a small "Locker Room" like your equipment locker in the Captains quarters so you can change what your people look like in and out of battle then those of us who don't mind it wouldn't care and those whos immersion it ruined would beable to change it at the first oppotunity. Before anyone says yes I know there is more important thing than playing dress up with your squad mates like avoiding Death by Reaper but people who aren't bothered wouldn't need to touch it

A choice of different outfits is high on the wish list of almost everyone who's ever been bothered by an outfit in ME2. And playing dress-up with your characters in games has become almost a tradition - Oblivion's clothing mods must run in the tens of thousands, and even in ME2 people use the limited features of texmod to do so.

Also about the Ar*e shots... I'm 25 i'm seen my fair share of women's ar*es clothed or not so it didn't bother me one bit, Though i can understand its not everyones cup of tea... so see above hopefully you'll beable to cover her up a bit more in ME3.

I'm not bothered by the ass shots as such - it doesn't reflectly badly on her, and it's the camera man's fault, so to speak - but by the implication of how the developers wanted Miranda to be perceived. As jtav said elsewhere, you can almost hear them snigger in the background. Also they would have been less annoying without those painted-on pants.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:28 .

[GMagnum]

least miranda is covered up look @ jack rofl
dat dont look like good protection

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

least miranda is covered up look @ jack rofl
dat dont look like good protection

Yeah Jack is definitely too out there when it comes to style. Honestly people should have more of a problem with her clothes than Miranda.

What clothes?

[MACharlie1]

Catsuits are for skanks and are trashy. Hm. Interesting. How many people, outside fantasy elements, do you see wearing catsuits? I mean on the streets so that there is a developed sense of catsuits = trash. I mean, I could see if she was walking around in a mini-skirt and shirt that was meant to be a skirt and hoop earrings I could fit my hand and the rest of my arm through (even then, you really shouldn't judge someone based on that but that's beside the point).

I just find it funny we're describing an article of clothing that is only seen in fictional media like it's an everyday thing.

"Oh look at that girl - she's wearing a catsuit. What a hoe."

[Iakus]

jreezy wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

least miranda is covered up look @ jack rofl
dat dont look like good protection

Yeah Jack is definitely too out there when it comes to style. Honestly people should have more of a problem with her clothes than Miranda.

Oh I have a problem with it.  The main difference is Miranda is shoved more in your face.  Literally.

[Merchant2006]

As long as her funny expressions remain then I have no problem with Miranda in ME3.

At first I was like

http://cloud.steampo...2DF66B94C8B382/

but then I was like

http://cloud.steampo...30BA1A014E1E42/

/thread.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 31 octobre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Alamar2078]

Golden Owl wrote...

Hathur wrote...

I'm just hoping she has an armor option like she did in Appearance pack #2 and isn't relegated again to just catsuits... that armor pack worked wonders for making me be able to have at least a modicum of respect for her.

Yes, so long as it comes with the game....shouldn't really have to pay extra to cloth our squaddies in more than a painted loin cloth, etc...

Tarzan for squadmate and LI 

[Merchant2006]

*takes a bow* Thanks, you know I have a knack for trying to take nice screenshots but instead I end up snapping some of the most goddamn creepiest expressions ever. It's... well... it's great.

[Thompson family]

Re: OP

After seeing the makeover they've given Ashley, I wouldn't worry too much about Miranda being toned down.

[Iakus]

Sadly, this is probably true. Still, I can hope for a little more Samantha Carter and a little less Seven of Nine.

For all characters, not just Miranda.

[Nashiktal]

I am still mad at samantha carter for being the chick who wouldn't follow orders, but at least she dressed right.

[Savvie]

bobobo878 wrote...

RowanCF wrote...

 Is she even gonna be in ME3? 

I'm sure that if you romanced her, you'll get a nice email from her in ME3. <3

Haha, this wouldn't surprise me.  

I was so annoyed by the lack of presence with Kaiden in ME2. There better be more substance to the relationships in ME3 or there's no point even implementing it into the story.

Modifié par Savvie, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:40 .