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[Xeranx]

@Cpt-Brit

Miranda may not be a skank, but Bioware was hell bent on selling her that way. Everyone knows about the ass shot that pretty much made those of us who cared, fed up. But there's another on her loyalty mission. Honestly I could imagine Bioware sounding like creepy dude on Purgatory: "You like that don't you? Yeah." Then you have the comments about whether she had finished getting dressed yet. I'm left wondering if Bioware really wants me to take Miranda seriously or look at her as some kind of joke.

By far, that's the worst thing you can do for any character and it seriously made me feel bad for Yvonne. People talk about her looks enough. I didn't need the crap they did in ME2. Look up youtube videos with Yvonne in them when they reference her looks, in one of them she almost looks like she wishes they'd just stop talking about it.

[Cpt-Brit]

Xeranx wrote...

@Cpt-Brit

Miranda may not be a skank, but Bioware was hell bent on selling her that way. Everyone knows about the ass shot that pretty much made those of us who cared, fed up. But there's another on her loyalty mission. Honestly I could imagine Bioware sounding like creepy dude on Purgatory: "You like that don't you? Yeah." Then you have the comments about whether she had finished getting dressed yet. I'm left wondering if Bioware really wants me to take Miranda seriously or look at her as some kind of joke.

By far, that's the worst thing you can do for any character and it seriously made me feel bad for Yvonne. People talk about her looks enough. I didn't need the crap they did in ME2. Look up youtube videos with Yvonne in them when they reference her looks, in one of them she almost looks like she wishes they'd just stop talking about it.

Yes a very lonely person had the idea of the ass shots...but they didn't ruin my immersion at all. I was mainly refering to the skin tight outfits and how I didn't think they were bad... 

[Nashiktal]

The ass shots ruined my immersion. One minute talking about something semi important, next scene ASS SHOT.

That was annoying.

[Metalunatic]

maxmorris wrote...

 Miranda would just be a **** if she wasn't good looking...

Right. Like one hides the other.

[Metalunatic]

Nashiktal wrote...

The ass shots ruined my immersion. One minute talking about something semi important, next scene ASS SHOT.

That was annoying.

It was ridicilous.

[BobZilla84]

I think Miranda is Awesome but I would make one change come Mass Effect 3 Make her have Blonde Hair that would be sweet I mean she is on the Run from Cerberus or back with them so a new appearance wouldn't be so bad huh what say everyone

[Cpt-Brit]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I think Miranda is Awesome but I would make one change come Mass Effect 3 Make her have Blonde Hair that would be sweet I mean she is on the Run from Cerberus or back with them so a new appearance wouldn't be so bad huh what say everyone

If shes gonna change i'd rather her have red hair than blonde not as keen on blondes and my Paragade Shep would have to take the p*ss outta blonde hair

[Laser Jim]

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

[Iakus]

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

[Laser Jim]

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Oh, I agree completely. I like Ashley best when she looks like she could kick my ass. Miranda, however, has already been established as a stereotype and I think it would be silly to change that now. I'm casting my vote for spray-painted jumpsuit.

[onelifecrisis]

Xeranx wrote...

@Cpt-Brit

Miranda may not be a skank, but Bioware was hell bent on selling her that way. Everyone knows about the ass shot that pretty much made those of us who cared, fed up. But there's another on her loyalty mission. Honestly I could imagine Bioware sounding like creepy dude on Purgatory: "You like that don't you? Yeah." Then you have the comments about whether she had finished getting dressed yet. I'm left wondering if Bioware really wants me to take Miranda seriously or look at her as some kind of joke.

By far, that's the worst thing you can do for any character and it seriously made me feel bad for Yvonne. People talk about her looks enough. I didn't need the crap they did in ME2. Look up youtube videos with Yvonne in them when they reference her looks, in one of them she almost looks like she wishes they'd just stop talking about it.

While I agree with you regarding ME2, I can't say I have any sympathy for Yvonne. She's made a career out of posing almost naked, which is fine by me as long as she doesn't become a hypocrite about it.

[Sajuro]

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Yes, an independent and strong woman who still had emotional insecurities is a stereotypical video game woman, granted I never found the catsuit that appealling and I didn't like how she came down as "I'm too perfect Shepard" but thinking about it you could see how be engineered to be the ideal woman would **** with one's self image. Regardless, it seems hard to be a woman in video games, if you happen to cry then people hate you, if you are too sexy then people hate you, and if you dare question the protaganist, be prepared to get punched.

[Xeranx]

Sajuro wrote...

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Yes, an independent and strong woman who still had emotional insecurities is a stereotypical video game woman, granted I never found the catsuit that appealling and I didn't like how she came down as "I'm too perfect Shepard" but thinking about it you could see how be engineered to be the ideal woman would **** with one's self image. Regardless, it seems hard to be a woman in video games, if you happen to cry then people hate you, if you are too sexy then people hate you, and if you dare question the protaganist, be prepared to get punched.

Miranda is not a strong woman or really, she's not a strong person, and she's definitely not independent.  Her reason for being bugs her to no end (as you acknowledged) that she wears a catsuit in efforts to own her looks.  She tries to sell herself (rightly) on the idea that  her looks have advantages, but really hates that she has them at all.  With the way she acts I can almost imagine that if she were to lose her position with nothing to fall back on, she'd have a hell of a time getting back up.  

A strong person wouldn't have those problems.  Most of their obstacles in making themselves better would be external.  Miranda's made it to what should be a prized position, but can't forget what she is.  Her issues are all, mostly, internal.  Jacob's words bring this to light: "She deserves a better man than I".  Jacob realizes that Miranda's issues are too great to deal with and he can't be the person she'd need him to be.

[onelifecrisis]

Xeranx wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Yes, an independent and strong woman who still had emotional insecurities is a stereotypical video game woman, granted I never found the catsuit that appealling and I didn't like how she came down as "I'm too perfect Shepard" but thinking about it you could see how be engineered to be the ideal woman would **** with one's self image. Regardless, it seems hard to be a woman in video games, if you happen to cry then people hate you, if you are too sexy then people hate you, and if you dare question the protaganist, be prepared to get punched.

Miranda is not a strong woman or really, she's not a strong person, and she's definitely not independent.  Her reason for being bugs her to no end (as you acknowledged) that she wears a catsuit in efforts to own her looks.  She tries to sell herself (rightly) on the idea that  her looks have advantages, but really hates that she has them at all.  With the way she acts I can almost imagine that if she were to lose her position with nothing to fall back on, she'd have a hell of a time getting back up.  

A strong person wouldn't have those problems.  Most of their obstacles in making themselves better would be external.  Miranda's made it to what should be a prized position, but can't forget what she is.  Her issues are all, mostly, internal.  Jacob's words bring this to light: "She deserves a better man than I".  Jacob realizes that Miranda's issues are too great to deal with and he can't be the person she'd need him to be.

Holy crap, what an awesome post! Very insightful.

[capn233]

Xeranx wrote...

Miranda is not a strong woman or really, she's not a strong person, and she's definitely not independent.  Her reason for being bugs her to no end (as you acknowledged) that she wears a catsuit in efforts to own her looks.  She tries to sell herself (rightly) on the idea that  her looks have advantages, but really hates that she has them at all.  With the way she acts I can almost imagine that if she were to lose her position with nothing to fall back on, she'd have a hell of a time getting back up.  

A strong person wouldn't have those problems.  Most of their obstacles in making themselves better would be external.  Miranda's made it to what should be a prized position, but can't forget what she is.  Her issues are all, mostly, internal.  Jacob's words bring this to light: "She deserves a better man than I".  Jacob realizes that Miranda's issues are too great to deal with and he can't be the person she'd need him to be.

If she isn't independent, who is she dependent on?  Does she seek approval from someone else?  Is her "self esteem" predicated on someone else's opinion?  Independence does not preclude insecurity necessarily.  I might argue that she is in fact independent, in that she has her own internal metric, however warped it may be, and that her opinion of herself is more important than anyone else's.  Succinctly, I do not think she opens up to Shepard just so he can admire her mind and body and validate her self image. 

As far as if she is strong or not, you have some interesting points.  Her chief conflicts do appear to be internal, but I do not think that her faults have hindered her professionally, and I think she would be ok if she had to find something else to do.  I think they do translate directly into her interactions with other people, however.  This is more of a social problem than professional though.

As far as Jacob's comment goes, that is more or less how I always interpreted it.  More precisely that her issues were not something he could deal with and or resulted in too much conflict.

edit: as for her looks, as I said before too many other characters are as guilty or moreso of wearing "revealing" outfits.  If you take Jacob as evidence, perhaps when you reach the rank of Operative in Cerberus the uniform happens to be some sort of skin-tight thing...

Modifié par capn233, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[KotorEffect3]

I don't care about what she looks like as much as I care about her role in the story and her connection to cerberus and how that plays into cerberus going after shepard now. As far as her looks go I just hope she is in something that is situation appropriate.

[BloodyTalon]

Just hope she doesn't end up one of them new husks things.

sure their will be new types for humans

Modifié par Talosred, 01 novembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[Sajuro]

Xeranx wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Yes, an independent and strong woman who still had emotional insecurities is a stereotypical video game woman, granted I never found the catsuit that appealling and I didn't like how she came down as "I'm too perfect Shepard" but thinking about it you could see how be engineered to be the ideal woman would **** with one's self image. Regardless, it seems hard to be a woman in video games, if you happen to cry then people hate you, if you are too sexy then people hate you, and if you dare question the protaganist, be prepared to get punched.

Miranda is not a strong woman or really, she's not a strong person, and she's definitely not independent.  Her reason for being bugs her to no end (as you acknowledged) that she wears a catsuit in efforts to own her looks.  She tries to sell herself (rightly) on the idea that  her looks have advantages, but really hates that she has them at all.  With the way she acts I can almost imagine that if she were to lose her position with nothing to fall back on, she'd have a hell of a time getting back up.  

A strong person wouldn't have those problems.  Most of their obstacles in making themselves better would be external.  Miranda's made it to what should be a prized position, but can't forget what she is.  Her issues are all, mostly, internal.  Jacob's words bring this to light: "She deserves a better man than I".  Jacob realizes that Miranda's issues are too great to deal with and he can't be the person she'd need him to be.

Look at Miranda then to her problems
Now back at Miranda, then her problems.
What do you see? I see a woman, who despite her problems, hasn't buckled under pressure and still manages to be successful despite having some serious issues. I don't think the measure of a strong person is if they have a problem with themselves or not but how they deal with what problems they do have. Miranda can't just leave her looks or past behind, if she stays back somewhere safe it would be just like she was with her father again, everytime she goes on a mission, every round she fires and everytime she uses Biotics, it's a huge "FU" to her father who tried to own her and Miranda shows that she can't be owned. What Miranda has is a version of the inferiority complex, thinking that somehow she hasn't earned what she has because of who she is and her past.

Is Miranda perfect? nope. Is she a strong woman who despite her issues has managed to make a life for herself and is trying to further it (her infertility is not helping)? Yep. Do I actually like her better than the Soldier who blames her station on the fact that her grandfather surrendered Shanx Shi despite her constantly wearing pink and white armor? Yep.

PS: I know plenty of people who would have a hell of a time getting back up if they were tossed out of high positions with nothing to their name.

[BancsBubbl3]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...

I think Miranda is Awesome but I would make one change come Mass Effect 3 Make her have Blonde Hair that would be sweet I mean she is on the Run from Cerberus or back with them so a new appearance wouldn't be so bad huh what say everyone

If you give her blonde hair, you might as well just make her a super spy and name her Sarah Walker. It might seem cool for another character or person, but it just doesn't work for Miranda.

Edit: If you don't know who Sarah Walker is look down at my sig and wait for the blonde girl to appear.

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Modifié par BancsBubbl3, 01 novembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Iakus]

Sajuro wrote...

iakus wrote...

Laser Jim wrote...

No, Bioware! You can't change Ashley, stay true to her character!

Yes, Bioware! Please change Miranda, she just wasn't good enough.

In other words, Miranda was a terrible stereotype of video game women, don't turn Ash into one too?  I agree 

Yes, an independent and strong woman who still had emotional insecurities is a stereotypical video game woman, granted I never found the catsuit that appealling and I didn't like how she came down as "I'm too perfect Shepard" but thinking about it you could see how be engineered to be the ideal woman would **** with one's self image. Regardless, it seems hard to be a woman in video games, if you happen to cry then people hate you, if you are too sexy then people hate you, and if you dare question the protaganist, be prepared to get punched.

I have no problems with her character concept.  But concept and appearance are two different things.  It's hard to see a strong, independant woman dealing with impossible expectations of perfection when she dresses like her wardrobe actually contains shelves of spraypaint.

[BancsBubbl3]

Just felt like it  Images belong to Merchant2006

Modifié par BancsBubbl3, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Xeranx]

capn233 wrote...

If she isn't independent, who is she dependent on?  Does she seek approval from someone else?  Is her "self esteem" predicated on someone else's opinion?  Independence does not preclude insecurity necessarily.  I might argue that she is in fact independent, in that she has her own internal metric, however warped it may be, and that her opinion of herself is more important than anyone else's.  Succinctly, I do not think she opens up to Shepard just so he can admire her mind and body and validate her self image.  

As far as if she is strong or not, you have some interesting points.  Her chief conflicts do appear to be internal, but I do not think that her faults have hindered her professionally, and I think she would be ok if she had to find something else to do.  I think they do translate directly into her interactions with other people, however.  This is more of a social problem than professional though.

As far as Jacob's comment goes, that is more or less how I always interpreted it.  More precisely that her issues were not something he could deal with and or resulted in too much conflict.

edit: as for her looks, as I said before too many other characters are as guilty or moreso of wearing "revealing" outfits.  If you take Jacob as evidence, perhaps when you reach the rank of Operative in Cerberus the uniform happens to be some sort of skin-tight thing...

Miranda is dependent on her employer.  At least that's what jumps out at me.  Her confidence comes from being on top, but her attitude suggests that she's probably a subpar taskmaster.  She asserts that she's Shepard's second-in-command when talking to Jack on the ship, but openly calls Jack a mistake when confronted by Jack.  

Miranda reports back to TIM constantly and TIM, himself, tells Shepard to make peace with whatever baggage may be lingering.  This is something Miranda should be reinforcing if Shepard's not doing it him or herself, but she doesn't.  It makes me think she was promoted up the chain partly for a reason unknown or one that can be guessed at, and partly for no other reason than she's genetically altered to be gifted which means there are things she can do.  If I had someone like that on my team I'd want to promote them up the ladder to keep them by my side.  If TIM is a master strategist or a strategist of any kind, that's what he'd be doing.

Also, speaking of TIM, Miranda runs to the one group that she knows her father makes contributions to.  He doesn't make donations to Cord Hislop, but Cerberus itself.  And she uses the same organization to hide her sister if I remember correctly.  She's promoted several times over and receives a paycheck most likely.  I would think that if she truly wanted to be on her own she would go somewhere that has nothing to do with her father, but she doesn't.  I mean it would be one thing if she worked for Cereberus and found out later about her father's contributions to the organization, but...*shrug*

My comment wasn't about her looks, but about how she probably views her looks as well as herself.

[BancsBubbl3]

jreezy wrote...

Miranda was supposed to be blonde before BioWare had the specifics of her attire down. I'm glad they changed her hair color.

I know, but that was before they found Yvonne Strahovski as a Voice actor and model.

[*]Once Yvonne Strahovski signed on to voice the character, the development team decided to model the character's face based on the actress. [1] Additionally, the character's original Scandinavian surname was changed to better match Strahovski's Australian accent. [2]

[*]Miranda's original surname was Solheim, Norwegian for "Sunhome." This was chosen in part because she is one of the relatively rare characters born on Earth (i.e. from the Sol system). Miranda's name translates as 'she who must be admired', apt considering she was engineered for perfection.


[*]Early ideas of Miranda pegged her as a blonde, but once they created her Cerberus uniform, black hair seemed to better complement the "femme fatale" look.

The above is from http://masseffect.wi...a_Lawson#Trivia.

Modifié par BancsBubbl3, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:47 .