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Hello,

I want to build a PC (specifically for gaming) and was wondering if anyone here has any tips about how to find the best build and where to get the parts the cheapest (I live in Australia).

I'm willing to spend a reasonable amount of money if it's worth it, nothing too crazy though. 

So far I've only played on consols and have been a life-long mac user (don't hate me!) so I know pretty much zero about computer hardware. Read a few websites etc, but so much info and no idea whether it is good or bad.

Please help! If you could reccomend websites, or have personal experience I'd love to hear about it.

Thanks :)

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The best websites for this sort of thing are Anandtech, Tomshardware, Tech Report, HardOCP and plenty of others.

Also, I'm not from Australia (so I don't know which retailers there would be best), but I have extensive experience in building gaming machines, so I'd be happy to answer your questions.

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Thanks Carfax,
I don't really know enough to ask specific questions, more hoping there might be some reliable guide or instructions that says what the best (reasonably priced) build is today so I don't have to spend ages figuring it out for myself (I only recently learned the names of the bits involved that's how little I understand :?).

There's so much stuff out there, I just have no idea whether they're good or not. If you could recommend a build or website with helpful advice on it all, or how to avoid newbie mistakes etc. that would be great.

Basically, I'm totally clueless and looking for a cheat sheet...

Well you gotta start somewhere, right? :)

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@Em23 here is a reasonable build. Computers are really easy to put together but you can pay a local computer shop to put it together...or I'd assume.


This is just the parts, case and such no peripherals. I assume you have a monitor, keyboard, speakers and mouse already. I'll also link some reasonable peripherals though. You should check around on Amazon, tigerdirect and newegg.com when you decide to buy if you plan to build it. Newegg especially since you can find a lot of stuff for no shipping and no taxes so you can end up playing a flat price.

Case  NZXT GAMMA classic - $36

Power Supply  Corsair CX500 V2 - $60

CPU  AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition - $112

Heatsink   Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $27

Motherboard   ASUS M5A99X Evo AM3+ - AMD 990X - $145

Memory   4GB PNY Optima DDR3 10600 - $28

Graphics Card   XFX 6770 - $90

Hard Drive   SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB - $60

DVD  Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $19

Total $577



Monitor ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24 inch $200

Keyboard Logitech G110 Black USB Wired -$60

Mouse Logitech G400 Black 8 Buttons $35

Speakers Logitech Z313 25 w 2.1 Speaker System - $45

Total $340

Modifié par Ringo12, 30 octobre 2011 - 05:59 .


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I would kill myself before using all those rebate .
It's a pain in the ass lol.

Yeah You usually get some money back but that take frigging forever.

Modifié par Suprez30, 30 octobre 2011 - 06:56 .


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i suggest getting a hammer, a screw driver and some ducttape, but thats just me.

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Budget, Monitor Resolution, Desired Games/Usage, Desired Settings, whether you're willing to DIY.

I'll be able to put together a pretty good list if you're able to provide answers to those points. Getting a good deal on a PC is absolutely relative to what you want it for and what you need it for.

Good thing is that the dollar is doing well against the greenback so our PC parts are kinda cheap comparatively.

I also have an old, old, outdated guide (it's from 2010, so no info on Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer) that might be helpful:

http://www.twcenter....ad.php?t=412920

Modifié par mrcrusty, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:02 .


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Em23 wrote...

There's so much stuff out there, I just have no idea whether they're good or not. If you could recommend a build or website with helpful advice on it all, or how to avoid newbie mistakes etc. that would be great.

Basically, I'm totally clueless and looking for a cheat sheet...

Well you gotta start somewhere, right? :)


Yeah, you have to start somewhere I suppose, but honestly, if you don't have any experience with this sort of thing, it's best to get someone to either do it for you the first time, or preferably, show you how it's done so you can do it yourself eventually..

Unless you're very tech oriented, putting a computer together can be tricky for someone thats never done it before and you can make a lot of mistakes that can result in a dysfunctional computer, or even worse, permanently damage the components.  Once you get the hang of it though, it becomes very easy.  I don't even need to read the instruction manual most of the time because I'm so familiar with the steps involved.

Anyway, here's a good website with updated parts list for various builds depending on your budget. 

And here's a step by step guide on how to put the parts together

Now, there are a few questions you need to answer so I can be of greater help to you.  You say you're willing to spend a reasonable amount of money if it's worth it, so I take that to mean you want a mid range build that will last for a number of years am I right?

The build that Ringo 12 suggested is low end, so I don't think that would fit your needs.  In the parts list that I gave you, there is a good mid range build that I think would be much better...though I would make a few changes personally.

Link to specific mid range build.

Out of all the parts listed there, the only ones I would change would be the video card, case and the power supply. 

Lets start with the video card.  The Sapphire Radeon 6950 is a good card, but I would swap it out for a GTX 570 if you have the money.  Why?  Because Nvidia cards have additional features like PhysX and 3D Vision which you may wish to eventually use (a growing list of titles take advantage of PhysX, for an example, see here), and after all my years of being into computers, I've come to the conclusion that Nvidia makes slightly better graphics cards, and much better drivers than AMD.

A lot of people will agree with me, and a lot of people will disagree.  It's one of those things that computer guys argue about constantly on the web.. Image IPB

Next is the case.  The best mid range case imo is the venerable Antec 900.  Transparent side with lots of cooling  and sexy looking blue LED fans, what more could you want? 

Now for the power supply.  This is one of the best mid range power supplies available, and I recently used it in a computer I built for a friend.  Corsair is well known for their quality and reliability, and this power supply is particularly tough as nails.  It will take practically anything you can throw at it, and if you ever feel the need to expand your rig in the future, you can be sure that this power supply will not be inadequate.

A few other things like the SSD aren't really necessary.  If you want to save money, I would start there.  An SSD is nice, but a HDD will perform the same task for a much lower price, and much greater capacity.

Also, the monitor.  The monitor in the parts list is an IPS monitor, which means it has very good image quality in terms of color accuracy, detail and viewing angles.  For gaming however, it's not necessary.  You can save money here by going with a cheaper TN monitor, like this one.  You will sacrifice some image quality and viewing angle, but will gain in response time.

Modifié par Carfax, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:15 .


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"You think your special don't you Crusty?"

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Honestly if you have no idea about the parts, DIY might be a bit tough. Perhaps you could look for reviews of already assembled desktop PCs.

If you do decide to put your own computer together, better find someone to help you who has done it before. Sometimes the instructions are accurate, and sometimes they aren't. Sometimes there are no instructions.

My last DIY computer only works at this point because we were two quite knowledgable people who have done this many times before. Sometimes it works right out of the box, and then you're fine. If it doesn't (and believe me that's often the case), you'll be sitting there with a massive headache and a big hole in your bank account.

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Thanks so much for all your replies!! I really appreciate it.
And thanks Carfax for your really helpful detailed post - that's exactly what I needed!

Yes, mid-range is right. I will investigate all you have told me :)

I am determined to build this thing myself, but I will work on enlisting some help as suggested to ensure the whole project doesn't end with me crawling back into my mac/console shell in tears.

That physX video is insanely better with that card thing for that game! Is the trend towards all games using it?

Thanks again!

Modifié par Em23, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:54 .


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Fellow aussie here, and I'm an old hand at building my own rigs

You dont have to worry about the PhysX card these days, as the tech has been licenced out to both Nvidia and AMD, and its now incorporated into the video carsd that are being released. In fact, its been that way for a few years now. ME2 uses it, not sure about DA:O or DA2 though, been a while since I checked out the configs of those games.

The most important advice to take to heart when building your own PC, is
a) Buy yourself an earthing strap. As little as 20v of static is enough to start blowing out components, and the rule of thumb with static is that its 5000v to feel the discharge, 10000v to hear, 20000v to see the arc.
B) Read up on all the settings for the components you buy. Last thing you want to do is burn out your new GPU by having it set for the wrong voltage.
c) If its gold in colour, dont touch it with your fingers. Skin oil isnt healthy for components, especially the connectors. Always grip things by the edges, and try not to touch the circuitry or connectors.

You can also make use of the "System Builder" functionality of some websites to give yourself an idea of different configurations, minimum and maximum costs. Adelong Computers and CX Computers (both australian) have this function. You can even use it to build a up a dream machine to see what you would love to have should you win the lottery.

Finally, there is no real benefit for going with the i7 CPU's, the increased cost doesnt equate to increased functionality when compared to the i5 range..

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Em23 wrote...

That physX video is insanely better with that card thing for that game! Is the trend towards all games using it?


Thats hardware accelerated PhysX, which uses the GPU to calculate physics and particle effects that are much too strenuous for the CPU to handle.

I wouldn't say there's a trend, as PhysX is proprietary technology owned by Nvidia.  AMD video cards cannot run it.

Some notable games do take advantage of it however, like Batman Arkham Asylum, Batman Arkham City, Alice the Madness returns, Mafia 2, Metro 2033, Metro Last Light, Sacred 2 and some others..

I expect the adoption rate for PhysX to increase, when PhysX 3..0 becomes available early next year.

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Bogsnot1 wrote...

Fellow aussie here, and I'm an old hand at building my own rigs

You dont have to worry about the PhysX card these days, as the tech has been licenced out to both Nvidia and AMD, and its now incorporated into the video carsd that are being released. In fact, its been that way for a few years now. ME2 uses it, not sure about DA:O or DA2 though, been a while since I checked out the configs of those games.


Thats not true..  Hardware accelerated PhysX is still specific to Nvidia GPUs.  The only way an AMD based system can run it, is either on the CPU (which is slow as hell), or to use hacked drivers which allow for a hybrid set up.

Also, PhysX in the ME series (PhysX is integrated into the Unreal Engine 3/3.5) is of the software variety, so it runs on the CPU.  We're talking specifically about the hardware accelerated physx, which is meant to be run on the GPU.

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Thanks for that practical advice Bogsnot1! I'll keep that in mind. I just looked at the benchmark chart for the i7 and i5 and I see what you mean about the i7 not being worth the trouble. Thanks for that advice.

Ok, well I found a guy who knows a little about building computers. I showed him your suggestions Carfax and we (well mostly he) came up with a build list based around it.

How does this sound:


CPU:       1155pin i5 2500k        ($220)

Mobo:         Z68 Pro3       (116)

Graphics:          ASUS 1280M GTX570         (389)

RAM:        8G Kit 1600 Kingston HyperX           (65)

HDD:        Patriot SATA3 PYRO 60G SSD          (135)

HDD2:        WD BLUE Sata 3 500G          (85)

DVD/BRAY:          ASUS DVD burner            (24)

Case:        Corsair CC400R            (136)
(Blue lights on the case are cool except when you want to watch a movie or something)

PSU:         Corsair TX750W             (143)

Screen:           27" Asus VE278Q HD           (369)

Thanks!

Modifié par Em23, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:41 .


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Lol! there are some really funny computer cases out there...

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Building a computer inside a box specifically designed for it is fiddely enough as it is I'm sure!

Modifié par Em23, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:37 .


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I believe this to be the ultimate case mod.

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Sorry bogsnot but this is much better.

You can cool your beer and open it.

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Please note: the case on my current build plan is now just a placeholder case until I can find one that also makes coffee (or an R2-D2 unit).

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Em23 wrote...

Ok, well I found a guy who knows a little about building computers. I showed him your suggestions Carfax and we (well mostly he) came up with a build list based around it.

How does this sound:


CPU:       1155pin i5 2500k        ($220)

Mobo:         Z68 Pro3       (116)

Graphics:          ASUS 1280M GTX570         (389)

RAM:        8G Kit 1600 Kingston HyperX           (65)

HDD:        Patriot SATA3 PYRO 60G SSD          (135)

HDD2:        WD BLUE Sata 3 500G          (85)

DVD/BRAY:          ASUS DVD burner            (24)

Case:        Corsair CC400R            (136)
(Blue lights on the case are cool except when you want to watch a movie or something)

PSU:         Corsair TX750W             (143)

Screen:           27" Asus VE278Q HD           (369)

Thanks!


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@Ringo: Decisions, decisions. I guess it all comes down to exactly what time of the day you're doing your gaming as to which one would be best.

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@Ringo12: In what country can you get Stella Artois in green bottles? I've only seen them in the more expensive brown bottles.

The risk with green bottles is that they allow more light inside which causes a chemical reaction that creates the exact same substance as cat urine. That's why Heineken literally tastes like ****** and why Corona is served with a lemon to filter the taste.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:29 .


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Fredvdp wrote...

@Ringo12: In what country can you get Stella Artois in green bottles? I've only seen them in the more expensive brown bottles.


That country would be google images.

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Don't get Asus motherboard or monitor. It's crap
Logitech is awesome. Corsair is a good mark too.

Modifié par Jedi Sentinel Arian, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .


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Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Don't get Asus motherboard or monitor. It's crap
Logitech is awesome. Corsair is a good mark too.


You can't be serious.