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[Sylvianus]

Multiplayer, action, multiplayer, action in  all  discussions. Action, action, action ,action in all the videos.  Where is the rpg ? I know there will be. But compared to the action ? I love action, but not to the detriment of the rpg, not really.  Why not show some things that can reassure everyone a little ?

We need to see more rpg elements in my opinion.

So the question is simple. Are you willing to accept a few spoilers to see more RPG elements ? ( choice, customization, interactions with npc, or other ) Because at the moment, nothing concrete. Promises, words. But noboby saw something.

I know that many people complained during  Mass Effect 2 development, because of many spoilers. But then, you do not want to be absolutely sure that Mass Effect 3 is in the right direction ? Words, promises, that's all what you need ? I can agree with that as well if that's your will.

I can understand that someone want absolutely to " be surprised. "

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:08 .

[Candidate 88766]

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

We know there will be choices, and we know there will be character interactions, so why would we need to see a video of those? I'd love to see some of the newer stuff like imporved skill trees or the weapon benches, or armour customization, but there's no need to have a video telling us about stuff that we know will be in the game anyway. 


Edit: you might also want to check the title...

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:00 .

[Sylvianus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

We know there will be choices, and we know there will be character interactions, so why would we need to see a video of those?

Weapon, and power customization, a great improvement in relation with the combat system. But I think we have already seen enough what it could be and how it is good in this area. and apart from the fight, there's nothing else ?

[Sylvianus]

We know there will be choices, and we know there will be character
interactions, so why would we need to see a video of those? I'd love to
see some of the newer stuff like imporved skill trees or the weapon
benches, or armour customization, but there's no need to have a video
telling us about stuff that we know will be in the game anyway. 

So you just need words, I can understand that. But if I remember well, that was exactly the same for many people for dragon age 2 and they whined after.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:08 .

[alex90c]

They can't show choice without spoiling the game.

We've seen customisation (weapons) and learnt we can customise our armours (stats at least).

We've seen dialogue with an NPC (kid in vents who then got completely wasted by a Reaper)

I say Bioware keep with what they're doing, because it avoids giving out too many spoilers.

[Candidate 88766]

Sylvianus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

We know there will be choices, and we know there will be character interactions, so why would we need to see a video of those?

Weapon, and power customization, a great improvement in relation with the combat system. But I think we have already seen enough what it could be and how it is good in this area. and apart from the fight, there's nothing else ?

We haven't actually seen in detail how the new skill trees work, or any demonstrations of the new powers they're adding. There's also been talk of armous customization, which we haven't yet seen, and we've barely seen anything of the weapon benches. This type of customization is a hallmark of RPGs, and seeing as these are all being improved/changed for ME3 this is the stuff that people should want to see. 

There is no need to see a conversation, because we know how that works. There is no need to see Shepard make a choice, because it will spoint said choice to show us something we already know - that ME3 will have choices.

Personally, I don't mind all the combat stuff they're showing. The combat is really the only area ME needed improving. The story, the characters, the setting - all the stuff that actually makes Mass Effect great - have been pretty much nailed.

[Candidate 88766]

alex90c wrote...

They can't show choice without spoiling the game.

We've seen customisation (weapons) and learnt we can customise our armours (stats at least).

We've seen dialogue with an NPC (kid in vents who then got completely wasted by a Reaper)

I say Bioware keep with what they're doing, because it avoids giving out too many spoilers.

I agree with this, although I would add that they might as well show us some armour customization - it doesn't spoil anything, it gives us something new to discuss, and hopefully it will stem the tide of RPG threads this forum gets (no offence OP, but there have been so many of these threads and they all end in flamewars and petty insults because despite there being no hard-and-fast rule for what an RPG should be people end up arguing that their definition is right and everyone else's is wrong, forgetting that fact that a game doesn't need every RPG hallmark to be a good game, as proved with ME1).

[marshalleck]

Since when is interaction with NPC or story "RPG elements"?

They could show RPG elements without any spoilers. The thing is, there aren't any more to show. We get the power customization we've already seen, and the weapon mods. That's it. Any other non-specific statements Bioware make like "oh yeah ME3 is like so full of RPG elements, I just spent the entire weekend playing RPG elements in ME3 and it was amazing!" are lip-service intended to pacify and quell the discontent on the forums and twitter.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:25 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

marshalleck wrote...

Since when is interaction with NPC or story "RPG elements"?

They could show RPG elements without any spoilers. The thing is, there aren't any more to show. We get the power customization we've already seen, and the weapon mods. That's it.

They could make some in-depth videos where they show each of the systems at work. So far they have only showed al the RPG elements briefly.

And we still need our "class walkthrough" videos like ME2 did.

[onelifecrisis]

"So the question is simple. Are you willing to accept a few spoilers to see more RPG elements?"

No.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Someone With Mass]

No thanks. I'm good.

[BatmanPWNS]

Yes!

Show us another side mission or something. Not like the whole game will suddenly be revealed.

[Candidate 88766]

Lizardviking wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Since when is interaction with NPC or story "RPG elements"?

They could show RPG elements without any spoilers. The thing is, there aren't any more to show. We get the power customization we've already seen, and the weapon mods. That's it.

They could make some in-depth videos where they show each of the systems at work. So far they have only showed al the RPG elements briefly.

And we still need our "class walkthrough" videos like ME2 did.

I'm hoping they'll do those things again for ME3, they were really good. I'd love to know what new powers I'm going to be able to use.

I'd also really like to see more weapon mods - we've only seen glimpses of them so far.

[marshalleck]

Lizardviking wrote...

And we still need our "class walkthrough" videos like ME2 did.

Those weren't put out for ME2 until shortly before the game's release, and besides, did they ever give an ironclad promise they'd make some for ME3? They were a pet project of Christina Norman before, and since she's no longer working at Bioware I'd say it's not necessarily a given that we'll get "class walkthrough" videos. Not like they're actually needed anyways, since all the classes are basically the same. Get in cover and shoot, spam a few cosmetic powers occasionally. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 octobre 2011 - 12:41 .

[Zall]

Please, no spoilers. I lack the willpower to avoid them, but I also am a firm believer of ME3 being a bloody perfect game. No need of convincing me by showing me some juicy plot details.

[xentar]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

That's combat related, so, not much different. They really do market it as an action title.

[shepskisaac]

Absolutely. Show me the biggest spoilers, I won't care. I wanna see the mechanics and more of the game than just action action action combat combat combat.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

marshalleck wrote...
Those weren't put out for ME2 until shortly before the game's release, and besides, did they ever give an ironclad promise they'd make some for ME3?

I know that they were only put out shortly before release, and I am quite aware they never promised any more for ME3. Just gave some ideas for what they could show more of.

They were a pet project of Christina Norman before, and since she's no longer working at Bioware I'd say it's not necessarily a given that we'll get "class walkthrough" videos. Not like they're actually needed anyways, since all the classes are basically the same. Get in cover and shoot, spam a few cosmetic powers occasionally. 

If they really only were a pet project, then it is a pet project that should be adopted for marketing. I enjoyed the class videos. Sure I might be wiser now and know that the difference between classes is not huge, but I would still argue that a preview of each class is worthwhile.

[Jenova65]

IsaacShep wrote...

Absolutely. Show me the biggest spoilers, I won't care. I wanna see the mechanics and more of the game than just action action action combat combat combat.

I don't care about spoilers, we ^ live in Europe anyway, so the US and Canada will have pretty much SPOILT the whole damn game big time for us before we get it anyway <_< Spoil me now, I say......... 

[Candidate 88766]

xentar wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

That's combat related, so, not much different. They really do market it as an action title.

Most RPG features in any RPG are related to the combat.

Apart from customizing your appearance and the occasional RPG that lets you increase your persuade/talking skill, most RPG stuff is based on making you better in combat.

-Increasing magic level or increasing your number of spells
-Increasing your armour skill or picking a better set of armour
-Increasing your weapon skill or picking a better weapon

All these are major, almost defining features of swords 'n' magic RPGs, and all features related to combat. Take Oblivion or Morrowind - almost every customizable skill/ability is focused on making you better in combat.

The only reason people think ME is different is because it has guns instead of swords. Its still like every other RPG in that almost everything you can customize is geared towards making you better at combat. The main difference is that ME has a more focused story than many other RPGs.

So I ask you - what RPG elements can you think of that aren't related to combat and we don't already know a ton about? We know ME3 will have dialogue and character interaction, and we know you will be able to make choices, so why would we need a video showing these off?

[shepskisaac]

BioWare Why u no vehicle exploration?!

[SNascimento]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Apparently there will be a Pulse episode very soon about weapon and power customization - which are some of the game's RPG elements.

We know there will be choices, and we know there will be character interactions, so why would we need to see a video of those? I'd love to see some of the newer stuff like imporved skill trees or the weapon benches, or armour customization, but there's no need to have a video telling us about stuff that we know will be in the game anyway. 


Edit: you might also want to check the title...

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I bet this episode will show exactly what have already been show multiple times...

[overburning]

no.

[AdmiralCheez]

As someone who pretty much accidentally spoils every game for myself long before I ever play it, I vote no.

I do, however, want to see the class videos again. I'm eager to see what changes they made. But they're still a long way off, since power balance is one of the last things they finalize.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 30 octobre 2011 - 01:46 .