Shinobu wrote...
I haven't read the comics or novels (apart from Ascension) but think it likely TIM is working in the interests of the Reapers even if he's not working directly with them.
According to the codex the only way eezo is made is when the energy from a supernova interacts with solid matter. Also, I think after going supernova it can collapse into a neutron star, or a black hole. Small stars become what dwarves.wizardryforever wrote...
From all of the lore, eezo does not seem to behave like a fuel source. Electricity is passed through it, and the charge of the current causes the eezo to emit a mass increasing or reducing field. It's not like eezo is burned or something. It's more akin to a wire inside a cable than a log burning in a fireplace. It acts as a conduit for the energy (in the form of electricity), and transforms that energy into a mass effect field dependant on several variables. The reason for why we would need more eezo, in that case, would be in construction of anything that uses mass effect tech, from ships to weapons to implants. Not to replace the eezo that is "used up," because it essentially never is.
More on topic, if the Reapers need that much eezo, then why not go after one of the existing (mostly untouched) primary sources of eezo? Namely neutron stars and pulsars. There's plenty of those in the galaxy, why would they destroy a star (with a mass relay no less) just to create something that could be found elsewhere with less trouble? It's not like it would be easier to harvest than those other sources. My guess is that if the Reapers are doing it, they aren't doing it to farm eezo.
Oh, and to those who keep using the term supernova: the star isn't big enough to go supernova. Nova maybe, but not supernova. Besides, if they were trying to farm eezo, they wouldn't want it to go nova. They'd want it to collapse into a neutron star (unless that happens post nova; my astronomy is a little rusty). But they wouldn't want it to collapse too much: into a black hole. That would just be wasteful.
Ah, sorry. Actually, that does kinda make sense. I still don't understand what is making the reaction occur, but it seems like eezo acts almost the same way as copper does in a circuit if this is true.didymos1120 wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
@didymos1120 - I think you may be interpreting the process a bit wrongly. You seem to be saying that eezo turns electricity into dark matter, which is wrong.
Um, no, not even remotely close to what I'm saying. The energy carried by the electrical current is being converted into dark energy. How exactly? Don't know, since eezo is a made-up substance, other than the fact that it's clearly not a chemical reaction. Otherwise eezo would be used up rather quickly. Biotics wouldn't exist: you'd burn up your tiny, tiny supply of internal eezo before you even learned to do anything useful with it. Guns would break constantly because the eezo "ran out". And so on with practically every technology used by galactic civilization.
For myself, the way I conceptualize eezo is that when you pump current through it, it goes into some excited state. It returns to its ground state by emitting dark energy rather than photons, the way normal matter would. I don't claim that that's a fact though.
Modifié par Candidate 88766, 31 octobre 2011 - 08:06 .
Possibly, but how would a Relay in Batarian space affect a star in the Far Rim? Any dark energy produced would travel at sub-FTL speeds, so would take millenia to reach Dholen. The chance of all the energy going to that specific point is pretty small as well.GETH1183 wrote...
Did we all forget about the Alpha Relay from Arrival? Dr. Kenson mentioned that if certain controls were adjusted on the Alpha Relay, it was possible to send one directly to the Citadel or Earth. We theorize that Nazara manipulated the controls for the Iera system's mass relay in order to attack the Citadel by surprise. Without Nazara to return the mass relay to normal functionality, the excess dark energy produced has affected the interior of Dholen.
Yeah, I don't understand that. I get that I was probably wrong about eezo, and that eezo doesn't get used up but merely acts a mediator in essence, but something has to be generating the electrical energy required to complete the process of making dark energy to produce the mass effect fields still present in the Reaper. There's no way it could've carried enough fuel for 37 million years worth of electricity generation, so I don't quite understand how it still works.Anacronian Stryx wrote...
iOnlySignIn wrote...
There are the Laws of Thermodynamics.there is nothing indicating that the reapers need food/energy of any kind
A 37 million years old wreck of a reaper still had power and energy enough to maintain a functioning mass effect core and a orbit around a brown dwarf not to mention it had energy to put up barriers as well, That would seem to indicate that the reapers suffers no "malnutrition" when it comes to energy.
Candidate 88766 wrote...
edit - I need to work out how to quote multiple people in one post...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Possibly, but how would a Relay in Batarian space affect a star in the Far Rim? Any dark energy produced would travel at sub-FTL speeds, so would take millenia to reach Dholen. The chance of all the energy going to that specific point is pretty small as well.GETH1183 wrote...
Did we all forget about the Alpha Relay from Arrival? Dr. Kenson mentioned that if certain controls were adjusted on the Alpha Relay, it was possible to send one directly to the Citadel or Earth. We theorize that Nazara manipulated the controls for the Iera system's mass relay in order to attack the Citadel by surprise. Without Nazara to return the mass relay to normal functionality, the excess dark energy produced has affected the interior of Dholen.
IanPolaris wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Possibly, but how would a Relay in Batarian space affect a star in the Far Rim? Any dark energy produced would travel at sub-FTL speeds, so would take millenia to reach Dholen. The chance of all the energy going to that specific point is pretty small as well.GETH1183 wrote...
Did we all forget about the Alpha Relay from Arrival? Dr. Kenson mentioned that if certain controls were adjusted on the Alpha Relay, it was possible to send one directly to the Citadel or Earth. We theorize that Nazara manipulated the controls for the Iera system's mass relay in order to attack the Citadel by surprise. Without Nazara to return the mass relay to normal functionality, the excess dark energy produced has affected the interior of Dholen.
Not necessarily. Assuming that Dark Energy is anything like the hypothetical Negative Energy that physicists now believe exists, it might cause hyper-spatial infaltion and that can be (and often is) FTL. To wit, information (including mass-energy transfer) can't travel faster than light, but distortions in space-time itself (and Dark Energy and the mass effect might be exactly this) can and often do.
-Polaris
111987 wrote...
That doesn't explain why all the dark energy would all travel to one random, lone star nowhere close to the main hub of galactic civilization.
Modifié par didymos1120, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:11 .
onelifecrisis wrote...
So the conclusion is that the reaper theory is wrong?
didymos1120 wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
So the conclusion is that the reaper theory is wrong?
No. It seems pretty obvious that this is something being done to Dholen. And Reapers are a natural suspect. The other would be the Heretic geth, but the game itself dismisses the idea, and the Heretics were working for the Reapers anyway, so even if it was them doing the grunt work, it would have almost certainly been because of Reaper orders. Plus, due to Legion's loyalty mission, which most people will have done, they're out of the picture for most ME3 playthroughs anyway, so making it all their doing doesn't really accomplish anything storytelling-wise.
onelifecrisis wrote...
So it's the probably reapers but the "science" is fubar? That figures.
Modifié par didymos1120, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:14 .
didymos1120 wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
So it's the probably reapers but the "science" is fubar? That figures.
What "science"? We have no idea what the mechanism at work is or what the goal is. There's nothing to complain about, other than the whole mass effect thing in general, which we already knew was made-up.
Modifié par onelifecrisis, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:20 .
111987 wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
Candidate 88766 wrote...
Possibly, but how would a Relay in Batarian space affect a star in the Far Rim? Any dark energy produced would travel at sub-FTL speeds, so would take millenia to reach Dholen. The chance of all the energy going to that specific point is pretty small as well.GETH1183 wrote...
Did we all forget about the Alpha Relay from Arrival? Dr. Kenson mentioned that if certain controls were adjusted on the Alpha Relay, it was possible to send one directly to the Citadel or Earth. We theorize that Nazara manipulated the controls for the Iera system's mass relay in order to attack the Citadel by surprise. Without Nazara to return the mass relay to normal functionality, the excess dark energy produced has affected the interior of Dholen.
Not necessarily. Assuming that Dark Energy is anything like the hypothetical Negative Energy that physicists now believe exists, it might cause hyper-spatial infaltion and that can be (and often is) FTL. To wit, information (including mass-energy transfer) can't travel faster than light, but distortions in space-time itself (and Dark Energy and the mass effect might be exactly this) can and often do.
-Polaris
That doesn't explain why all the dark energy would all travel to one random, lone star nowhere close to the main hub of galactic civilization.
onelifecrisis wrote...
Hey, you won't find me complaining about the lack of science in a space opera, but you and Candidate just spent several pages arguing about exactly that: the science.
didymos1120 wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Hey, you won't find me complaining about the lack of science in a space opera, but you and Candidate just spent several pages arguing about exactly that: the science.
I thought you were talking about Dholen specifically, not ME's made-up physics in general.
Modifié par didymos1120, 31 octobre 2011 - 09:32 .
CptBomBom00 wrote...
But what TIM gets out of orbiting dying star?
What is he's reason even to be there in the first place?
onelifecrisis wrote...
CptBomBom00 wrote...
But what TIM gets out of orbiting dying star?
What is he's reason even to be there in the first place?
TIM is orbiting Dholen?
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
CptBomBom00 wrote...
But what TIM gets out of orbiting dying star?
What is he's reason even to be there in the first place?
TIM is orbiting Dholen?
Nobody knows but some speculate that might be the case for...well lets say flimsical reasons (star behing TIM is changing color so therefore it must be Dholen).
But let's be fair, putting your station in orbit around a dying star whit all the danger that represents Does really sound like something Cerberus would do.. at least for no other reason than reaching their quota of F***'ups this month.
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